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  1. Gurowake

    Games Bugs

    You can get to the first day of results for Bingo from strongoak.net/sb and from there change the URL's last two digits from 01 to whichever day you're looking for. At least, that's what I've been doing.
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    Nagoya 2014 Discussion Thread

    Two wins more is probably enough, although circumstances may arise in which they really want to promote someone else from Juryo and he'd be the next best candidate to demote.
  3. Assuming the DB is accurate, Kyokutenho tied Terao for the most losses in Ozumo last basho. Check it out: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=rikishi1&onlyl1=on It seems reasonable to assume that he'll set it this basho as he's already on the torikumi and thus would require a zensho to avoid setting it. He's been the leader in total bouts for a few basho, being 41 ahead of Terao now. He's still fairly far away from Terao's record of most losses as Makuuchi though, 753 to 714, and is also behind Takamiyama in that regard. He's almost 100 off the record for Makuuchi bouts, sitting in 4th behind Kaio and the other two large-loss rikishi mentioned previously. Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but Google didn't find anything about it despite picking up other posts from here when looking for "Kyokutenho record loss." The forum search function is totally useless. I did the original search that found the first-mentioned tie after reading the Persistence Watch thread and wondering who had the most losses, not realizing it probably wasn't someone who had only half the fights per basho of sekitori until the results came up.
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    Sumo Games Talk - Nagoya 2014

    Absolutely no one got the special question on Norizo Cup, and I'm not surprised. Seeing Kotoshogiku at 8-0 after his performance last basho was indeed completely unexpected.
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    Kensho for Nagoya 2014

    Is the English one just the same one for every day with no actual accurate information on it (except through luck), done because they assume that foreigners wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway? I can also imagine that they just don't bother preparing one in English for each day because they really don't care whether foreigners are actually interested in Sumo or not.
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    Nagoya 2014 Discussion Thread

    Quicquid Latine de Sumine dictum sit altum videtur. (Sumo is clearly a 3rd declension noun, following the pattern of homo, -minis)
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    Nagoya 2014 Discussion Thread

    Indeed, Abiko has completely dominated all his opponents so far. In Jonidan, Shodai looks even more dominant than Abiko, although he is obviously facing weaker competition. Shiba, the guy who's only lost to Shodai, has also thoroughly overpowered his opponents thus far, even the other guy he fought that had only one career loss. Those two will probably meet at 5-0.
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    Guess Kisenosato's Aite July 2014 - Shohozan

    After looking at the Day 9 torikumi I almost made a long ranting post about the idiocy of the NSK and quitting this game, and then noticed Tochiozan wasn't on the torikumi. Late withdraws make this game even more infuriating, but it at least explains why they did what they did. There was no logical explanation for Kisenosato v. Chiyootori if Tochiozan hadn't withdrawn, whereas afterward someone of Chiyootori's rank or lower was required to be eventually matched up with Kisenosato; at least now I can admit defeat to a situation that I was not aware of instead of complaining how the torikumi makers are complete idiots. It helps that everyone else thought the same way and the NSK ended up going with the guy that no one had because it would make no sense prior to the withdrawal. I still think the torikumi makers don't really do what they're supposed to do as well as they could, and more often than not take the easy way out if it's reasonable.
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    time test

    Set time to JST so that the time on the top of the fourm is consistent with the time the forum is telling me the posts are made.
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    time test

    to verify time on posts
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    time test

    So GMT it looks like. I'm guessing there's some setting that I can change that?
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    Nagoya 2014 Discussion Thread

    I hate to be the last person to be part of a conversation and then go off on something else, but this was spectacular. I didn't even plan to watch it, it just came up after the 3-0 match that preceded it and thought the mismatch of size might be amusing. 0:33 to 0:36 is one of the most amazing moves I've ever seen.
  13. Gurowake

    Nagoya 2014 Discussion Thread

    Serves me right for having my hypothesis confirmed by the last few years and not looking much further other than to when they gave out two. I think when it comes to pretty much everything in Sumo there's no simple explanation for what they do. And the description of it is for the rikishi who performs the most outstanding relative to his rank. While there aren't any more recent examples similar to this, Asasekiryu got one for beating an Ozeki as an M12 in a Haru 2004 where Asashoryu went 15-0 as the only Yokozuna. Takatoriki got one for his yusho in Haru 2000 despite losing to all the Yokozuna he faced and not facing an Ozeki. He did beat both Sekiwake and a Komusubi, and was an M14 at the time. Those are much more fitting of the supposed description than a Sekiwake beating a Yokozuna to me, especially when the Sekiwake finishes 8-7, as that's pretty much average for them (my data says they average 8.1 wins).
  14. Gurowake

    Nagoya 2014 Discussion Thread

    All you need for a shukun-sho is generally to be eligible for a sansho (KK, not be ranked O or Y) and to beat a Yokozuna. In case of multiple people meeting the requirements, if they're pretty equal they'll probably give it to both; see Aki 2011 when the current two Ozeki both went 12-3 with wins over Hakuho, and Hatsu 2008 where Ama and Kisenosato both won a Shukun-sho with one going 9-6 and beating the yusho winner (Hakuho, 14-1), the other going 10-5 and beating the other Yokozuna (Asashoryu, 13-2). If one has a much better claim they'll give it to that guy. Tochiozan didn't get consideration for it previous basho despite beating a Yokozuna and having 2 more wins than Goeido, won did win it, given that the Yokozuna Tochiozan beat (Kakuryu, 9-6) had plenty of other losses and the Yokozuna Goeido beat (Hakuho, 14-1) was otherwise undefeated and took the yusho. In the 2008 case, Asashoryu was a well-established Yokozuna with plenty of yusho to his credit. His only other loss of the basho was to Hakuho, so it's reasonable to treat the two losses as relatively equal. The real question to me is whether Tochiozan would have gotten it if Goeido had been ineligible due to makekoshi; I remember reading the meeting notes of the sansho committee and not seeing anything about awarding it to Tochiozan on the condition that Goeido lost. I think it's likely that the sansho committee ignores wins over Yokozuna who perform poorly, especially for Sekiwake. Looking back to other basho for anything interesting... Aki 2013: Shohozan eligible for beating 10-5 Harumafuji, Goeido gets it for beating 14-1 Hakuho Nagoya 2013: Takayasu, Myogiryu and Goeido all eligible for beating 10-5 Harumafuji; 9-6 M1 Takayasu gets it - the others were 8-7 as Sekiwakes. As the shukun-sho is generally for performing above your current rank and merely recognized by beating Yokozuna, it makes sense to give it to the lower ranked guy. Natsu 2013: 11-4 Myogiryu eligible for beating 11-4 Harumafuji, awarded only Gino-sho That's all I can see for the time period after Harumafuji was promoted. I might look back a little further, but I don't think it'll be as interesting with just Hakuho up there. Given Nagoya 2013, I think it's pretty safe to say that Oosunaarashi will get the Shukun-sho if he gets 8 wins; even if Goeido or Tochiozan manage to beat 2 or 3 Yokozuna and manage KK and thereby demand one as well, they probably won't withhold one from Boody.
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    Guess Kisenosato's Aite July 2014 - Shohozan

    Huh, went to the NSK site to check to see if the outcome of a Sd match that wasn't on arabira's coverage had been posted yet, and noticed that "day 7 results" was white as though there was something there, and amazingly enough the Makuuchi torikumi for day 7 was there already. I didn't know they released that before making the rest of it. (Kotoshogiku was correct, finally)
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    Nagoya 2014 Discussion Thread

    New Jonidan musings: Shodai has been utterly dominant, looking like he's one of those guys coming off injury that missed 5 basho. But there are some other guys new to Jonidan to watch for, in rough order of dominance: (edit: to be clear, this means career losses excluding Mz) Shiba - only loss to Shodai Nagao - only losses to Shodai and Shiba Shuji - only losses to Nagao Takagi - only losses to Shodai and Nagao Harada - a bit more complex. Undefeated this basho, last basho losses only to Nagao and Shuji, previous basho losses in ring only to rikishi now in Sandanme, Kotaro and Mizuta, who are both doing well and may be undefeated (Mizuta's match today was apparently skipped on Arabira's coverage, and the result hasn't shown up on the NSK site as of this post). That is, similar to the above, his only losses are within a select group of high-acheiving rikishi.
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    Nagoya 2014 Discussion Thread

    Having a lot of names to call someone makes them much nicer to write about too instead of having to repeat their shikona over and over. I remember from reading classic literature that those languages would be filled with a variety of names for certain important people; although some of that would be to make it easier for them to fit the meter, it's sorta set a standard that one should try to vary one's representation of another if possible. I'd prefer to call Harumafuji "Ama" at least half the time (sometimes all the time just to make things shorter), but pretty much everyone else all you have is their shikona. For example, the use of Kisenosato's original (through-Juryo) shikona is pretty much unknown. It's probably why some who Talk about Sumo like to come up with ridiculous nicknames for people, as stupid as they usually sound.
  18. Gurowake

    Nagoya 2014 Discussion Thread

    I didn't think Hakuho's final shove was particularly gratuitous. He certainly didn't need to shove him nearly as hard as he did, but it didn't appear as though the match had been definitively decided before it. Looking at the footage again, I see Homasho's right foot squarely on the tawara still and his left foot well above the ground during the shove. Hakuho could have let up a bit, but I don't fault him for ensuring his opponent had no chance to stay in the ring; if the gyoji hasn't called "shobu ari" (or whatever it is), the match is live. Assuming that someone is going to fall out when you haven't seen them touch out or heard the gyoji end the fight can lead to unnecessary losses in theory. Again, the force of the shove was certainly greater than necessary, and perhaps that's the problem, but from a competitive point of view it wasn't completely after-the-fact.
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    Rikishi Status Nagoya 2014 - Final

    Also, Jk12w Kotokimura has withdrawn (according to NSK website, where I assume this is being taken from)
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    Rikishi Status Nagoya 2014 - Final

    Daishonada is actually 2-0.