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Are these full-on kilts? What are they called in Japan? And what's the little-bit-too-high knotted sporran for?
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Counting from the Makushita ranks (to adjust for Onosato's head start), the most recent one that even compares (10 basho to 10 basho) is Terukuni's run from Ms21 to Ozeki from 1937 to 1942 (two basho per year era): https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=3819 Terunofuji's second run to Ozeki took only 9 basho from Ms10w to Ozeki, but that doesn't really count, and his first run from Ms10w took 14 basho. https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=11927 Haguroyama managed it in an impressive 8 basho from Ms12w, though based on his scores it was easier to get promoted to Ozeki back then. (Terukuni's run above, just a couple of years later, was about as impressive as Onosato's score-wise). https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=3806 Back in the mid-30s it took Maedayama a mere 7 basho to rise from Ms14e to Ozeki, with pretty decent scores, but that was after bouncing around Ms/Sd for a few years. https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=3801 During WW1 Chibagasaki managed it in 8, though the DB starts breaking down at this point. I can't even interpret some of these scores, so that really was another era. https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=3661 And Tochigiyama made it in 9 from Ms11 during WW1 as well, though the scores show that making it to Ozeki really was easier back then. https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=3646 Except for an 11 basho run by Azumafuji, which is short of Onosato's 10 basho run, this is all that the DB has. Of course it's incomplete, but before about the 1940s it seems like it was generally easier to get to Ozeki anyway. https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&n_basho=10&form1_ms=on&form10_rank=O&form10_m=on&columns=10 Other than Chibagasaki, the thing all of these rikishi have in common? They didn't top out at Ozeki.
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Who's going to be the lucky rikishi that gets to be in juryo for Kyushu 2024?
itchyknee replied to Asashosakari's topic in Polls
I'm guessing they'll be generous to Asanoyama this time. Expecially with the retirement, but also with the huge number of other Juryo dropping to Makushita, I don't see the scores or records on anyone else that would merit a placement above him, unlike last time. It's very similar to this basho that saw Takanoiwa saved: https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=201801#J But yes, Britney would be awesome. She's got some dance moves. -
Promotion/Demotion and Yūshō Discussion Aki 2024
itchyknee replied to Reonito's topic in Honbasho Talk
The nice thing about being in charge is you don't have to sweat the small stuff. A nightmare for those guessing what you'll do, though. -
Promotion/Demotion and Yūshō Discussion Aki 2024
itchyknee replied to Reonito's topic in Honbasho Talk
Yeah, it's hard to query for in the DB. This query allows for some digging, though: https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&n_basho=3&form1_rank=M14-M20&form1_losses=8-10&form1_m=on&form2_rank=M14-M20&form2_losses=8-10&form2_m=on&form3_rank=M14-M20&form3_losses=8-10&form3_m=on&columns=3 Kimurayama, staring basho: https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=201105 8-7 Miyabiyama M16 Kaisei 10-5 K 7-8 Kimurayama M17 Second basho: https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=201107 3-12 ↓ Takamisakari M14 Tochinonada 6-9 ↓ 10-5 Fujiazuma M15 Kimurayama 7-8 Juryo Banzuke Result East Rank West Result 11-4 D ↑ Masunoyama J1 Tamaasuka 8-7 ↑ 9-6 ↑ Yoshiazuma J2 Bushuyama 7-8 7-8 Matsutani J3 Tamanoshima 6-9 9-6 ↑ Kokkai J4 Aoiyama 7-8 9-6 ↑ Hochiyama J5 Takanoyama 10-5 ↑ Third basho, saved by a promotion to the last slot for Hochiyama, as well as the addition of two more Makuuchi places and a retirement: https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=201109 9-6 Kokkai M16 Kimurayama 7-8 5-10 ↓ Hochiyama M17 Fourth basho, back in last place: https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=201111 11-4 K Aoiyama M16 Tsurugidake 4-11 ↓ 4-11 ↓ Kimurayama M17 -
https://www.businessinsider.com/sports-betting-debt-bankruptcy-gambling-young-men-research-addiction-2024-8 Just a warning. You're all adults here, I hope.
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As a child I just thought it was neat to watch my shadow spread forward. Leave it to the intelligentsia to make a child's delight into a veiled insult. :(
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He went Kyujo for four tournaments, then won (14-1), three and then won (13-2-P), two and then won (12-3-P), so Kyujo the next, then he'll win two straight at 11-4 (maybe 11-4 then 10-5) and retire. Most likely not, but that would be honestly very impressive. Aside: I think 12 wins should really be the new 10 wins, as it's equivalent to a full sweep for two years.
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June 1961 is the closest (there was no need for an Ozeki demotion): https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=196107#M Makuuchi Banzuke Result East Rank West Result 3-4-8 Wakanohana Y Asashio 12-3 J 13-2 Y Taiho O Kashiwado 11-4 8-7 Kitabayama HD Wakahaguro 5-10 0-5-10 Kotogahama HD 7-8 ↓ Iwakaze S Maedagawa 7-8 ↓ HD Haguroyama 7-8 ↓ 11-4 G ↑ Tochinoumi K Hagurohana 9-6 ↑ 10-5 K ↑ Tochihikari HD 9-6 ↑ Fujinishiki M1 Wakamisugi 5-10 11-4 S ↑ Sadanoyama M2 Fusanishiki 4-11 August Banzuke: Makuuchi Banzuke Result East Rank West Result 0-4-11 Asashio Y Wakanohana 10-5 12-3 Y ↑ Taiho O Kashiwado 12-3 D ↑ 8-7 Kitabayama HD Wakahaguro 0-0-15 9-6 Kotogahama HD 8-7 Tochinoumi S Tochihikari 8-7 8-7 Sadanoyama HD Hagurohana 6-9 ↓ 8-7 Fujinishiki K Iwakaze 8-7 2-13 ↓ Maedagawa HD Haguroyama 9-6 ↑
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Sure, but none of those three had particularly noteworthy Ozeki careers. Why the first two didn't even manage to stay Ozekis for 5 tournaments running, and the third only managed a single yusho in his remaining career!
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I was hoping for feedback from someone in the know about what was going on then. Thanks Kishinoyama.
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Most recent tournaments without Yokozunas: May 1931 - October 1932, and July 1992 - January 1993. Most recently Hakuho's hanging on for the delayed summer Olympics of 2021 gave just enough time for our current guy to get promoted. Would being Yokozuna-less be good, or bad, marketing? I could see people being excited to see who is able to break out of the Ozeki rank first.
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Thanks. I knew that about tsukedashi (presumably also Ms10TD? or is that why we see Ms10TD instead of Ms15TD?) but didn't know that a promotable Ms1e is on equal superior standing to a 7-0. I'll do some banzuke querying to see who gets the priority ranking when both Ms1e and 15+ 7-0 get promoted. Edit: Just from a couple of spot checks, it looks like some higher scores even down to Ms2 can be favored over 7-0: https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=202011#Ms 4-3 Ms2e Yago is half rank above 7-0 Ms15w Ryuko https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=201911#Ms 5-2 Ms2e Asagyokusei favored over 7-0 Ms10w Terunofuji on his second run up the banzuke Though this mileage definitely varies: https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=202007#Ms With 7-0 Ms12w Chiyonokuni getting favored over 5-2 Ms2w Oki on his second run up the banzuke.
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I thought I had read here that a 7-0 Y from Ms15 or above was guaranteed promotion to Juryo. Does Fujiseiun being below Kayo mean that if push had come to shove that the 5-2 Ms1w would have been preferred over the 7-0 Y? Or is this just a relative ranking among promotees that wouldn't have happened if there was only one spot available?
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The closet most literal matches I can find are: Nakanohana 1965.01 Sd82w 3-4 -> 1965.03 Jd2e 6-1 / Which was a drop of 33 spots (factoring in a removal of two Ms spots), with 14 retirements above his position. A Takanohana 1964.03 Sd89e 3-4 -> 1964.05 Jd4w 2-5 / Which was a drop of 18 spots (factoring in a removal of one Ms spot), with 5 retirements above his position. With special mention to Ikenohana for having "kenohana" in his shikona and dropping 62 spots with a 0-7 and 15 retirements above his position. 1969.07 Sd80w 0-7 -> 1969.09 Jd11w 4-3 (closest thing I could find to a dunce cap for this totally pointless post)