Itachi

Well both my adoptees finished 5-2 which was nice. Way to go guys! Nishikikaze was ranked at Ms 40 after a run of Ms 33: 4-3, Ms 26: 3-4, Ms 33: 3-4. Nishikikaze is approaching 30 and so I don't expect him to become sekitori anymore but he has done a good job of staying competitve in Makushita over the years and one never knows ... if he can keep himself in good condition and work his way back to the promotion zone, he could accidentally get there one day. Sasaki was back down in Sandanme at Sd 31 after his Makushita debut didn't go so well in Kyushu. His previous records were Sd 29: 3-4, Sd 46: 6-1 ! , Ms 57 1-6. He is still very young even though he's been in Sandanme for a few years and so he may end up becoming a Makushita regular in time. As for Juryo, I feel that he took too long to get past Sandanme so I don't expect that he can do it but he is still young (is he 20?) and so we cannot know everything about his potential yet.

You know, we all like to crack jokes about him, but to be honest, Iwakiyama has one of the most interesting faces I have ever seen in my life. I think I will do a painting. I haven't cracked any jokes but I know what you mean - he IS funny looking. I think it's obvious that I agree about his interesting face (see avatar). If you do a painting, I will be very pleased to see it.

I can answer this question..... YES! No he isn't. Just for the sake of it, anyone who IS interested, please add your signature. I am. Very interested. I'm interested too. I've been starting to collect my own data but I don't have the time or training to put together the kind of package described. Also, what is mixi? I've got to get my wordtank repaired so I can do some proper reading practice again if this data is available only on japanese sites.

Welcome to another round of the Sandanme Game. The banzuke is under construction and I'll present that once Xmas preparations are over. I will be collecting your picks anytime you have them ready to send in. For those who have not been following along, here is a link to the previous basho of the Sandanme Game. http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=10572 Here is how the game works ... Pick 15 Sandanme riksihi. I have divided the division into 15 groups (15 is a useful number in sumogames) The top half of Sandanme is divided into 10 groups - Sd 1-5, Sd 6-10 etc. The lower half of Sandanme is divided into 5 groups - Sd 51-60, Sd 61-70 etc. Pick one rikishi from each group and send them to me at nmatsuo@shaw.ca Scoring You earn .1 point for each win by your rikishi. You earn .1 point for each kachikoshi rikishi. You earn .1 point for each rikishi who leads his group. With 15 rikishi, you could earn up to 13.5 points. We want scores out of 15 for nice win-loss results. The extra 1.5 points are based on the sandame yusho winning score. If you have the yusho winner you get the full 1.5 If you have a rikishi with as many wins as the yusho winner (a playoff match loser) you get 1.0 points. If you have a rikishi with one win less than the yusho winner you earn 0.5 points. Drones Unless there are 15 7-0 rikishi, it is not possible to get 15 points - the best possible team is represented by the drone Mirai who knows the future and picks the best possible lineup. Our scores will be adjusted at the end of the tournament so that Mirai's score will round to 15-0. The drone Genzai will select the most popular rikishi from each group. Genzai's selections will not be known until all entries are in. Typically, our collective picks do very well. Only the best of us will beat Genzai. The drone Mukashi selects the rikishi who had the best records last tournament or beyond if there is a tie. I will post Mukashi's selections soon (or check Mirai's picks in the previous basho thread). Mirai always has the best record but is not eligible to win the yusho. Mukashi tends to have one of the poorer records but last tournament, Genzai and Mukashi had very similar and very strong teams. They finished ahead of everyone except Mirai, the yusho winner (Itachi), Asashosakari, Randomitsuki, and Tamanaogijima. I look forward to receiving your selections. Itachi p.s. Lower division fans may also enjoy Fay's new game. There is a nice website to support it as well!

Sandanme Game Hatsu 07 Final Results shikona wins losses est. wins/15 kk group best yusho score Mirai 85 20 12.14 15 15 7 15 15 Randomitsuki 69 36 9.86 13 7 7 15 12 Asashosakari 68 37 9.71 12 6 7 10 11.08 Doitsuyama 65 40 9.29 12 5 7 10 10.62 Kintamayama 67 38 9.57 13 5 6 5 10.38 Shiyonofuji 58 47 8.29 8 4 7 15 9.81 Yubiquitoyama 63 42 9 11 4 6 5 9.58 Aderechelseamaru 59 46 8.43 8 4 7 10 9.35 Zeokage 56 49 8 9 3 7 10 9 Profomisakari 59 46 8.43 10 3 6 5 8.88 Genzai 59 46 8.43 10 3 6 5 8.88 Ganzohnesushi 59 46 8.43 9 3 6 5 8.77 Oshirokita 56 49 8 10 4 6 5 8.65 Kotononami 54 51 7.71 8 3 7 10 8.65 Senpai 57 48 8.14 8 3 6 5 8.42 Itachi 54 51 7.71 9 3 6 5 8.19 Fay 53 52 7.57 7 3 6 5 7.85 Mukashi 51 54 7.29 8 3 6 5 7.73 Neko 52 53 7.43 8 1 6 5 7.62 Susanoo 50 55 7.14 7 4 6 5 7.62 Wolfgangho 49 56 7 8 1 5 0 6.69 Sekihiryu 48 57 6.86 8 2 5 0 6.69 Vikanohara 47 58 6.71 5 1 6 5 6.69 Torideyama 49 56 7 7 1 5 0 6.58 Tamanaogijima 46 59 6.57 4 1 6 5 6.46 Imumaru 48 57 6.86 5 0 5 0 6.12 Holleshoryu 42 63 6 4 1 5 0 5.42 shikona wins losses est. wins/15 kk group best yusho score Congratulations to Randomitsuki who finished first in every category to claim the yusho!All but 7 of the 27 players earned kachiksohi.Those that earned the full 15 yusho points had Kagaya who won the Sandanme kettei-sen. Those that had Masuhikari, the kettei-sen loser, earned just 10. Anyone with a rikishi with the next best record (6-1) got 5 and everyone else got nothing.Thanks to everyone for playing this game. I look forward to setting it up again for the Haru Basho.Now to work out the new banzuke!

Sandanme Game Hatsu 07 Day 14 Results shikona wins losses est. wins/15 kk group best yusho score Mirai 82 18 12.3 15 15 7 15 15 Randomitsuki 66 34 9.9 13 5 7 15 11.69 Asashosakari 65 35 9.75 12 4 7 15 11.34 Doitsuyama 62 37 9.39 12 5 7 15 11.18 Kintamayama 63 37 9.45 13 3 6 5 9.92 Zeokage 55 44 8.33 9 3 7 15 9.75 Aderechelseamaru 54 44 8.27 8 2 7 15 9.46 Shiyonofuji 55 46 8.17 8 2 7 15 9.38 Yubiquitoyama 59 39 9.03 11 2 6 5 9.22 Kotononami 51 47 7.81 8 1 7 15 8.98 Genzai 56 43 8.48 10 1 6 5 8.56 Profomisakari 56 44 8.4 10 1 6 5 8.5 Oshirokita 54 44 8.27 10 2 6 5 8.5 Senpai 53 47 7.95 8 1 6 5 7.91 Itachi 51 49 7.65 9 1 6 5 7.8 Fay 51 49 7.65 7 3 6 5 7.8 Ganzohnesushi 54 43 8.35 9 1 5 0 7.72 Susanoo 46 51 7.11 7 3 6 5 7.36 Neko 50 50 7.5 8 0 5 0 6.85 Wolfgangho 48 50 7.35 8 1 5 0 6.83 Mukashi 47 51 7.19 8 0 5 0 6.59 Tamanaogijima 45 55 6.75 4 1 6 5 6.5 Sekihiryu 46 55 6.83 8 0 5 0 6.33 Torideyama 46 53 6.97 7 0 4 0 6.3 Imumaru 46 54 6.9 5 0 5 0 6.02 Vikanohara 44 54 6.73 5 0 5 0 5.87 Holleshoryu 40 61 5.94 4 0 4 0 5.16 shikona wins losses est. wins/15 kk group best yusho score No time for analysis right now!

I'm not sure that Sugishita was intentionally losing. I think he had one plan - to grab the belt. When he couldn't get it, he had nowhere to go - he was so far bent over and leaning forward that he was sure to be pushed down and so he elected to fall safely to avoid pain. After all the loses he has endured, and considering his youth and lack of size, I can appreciate that. Certainly, he has no talent or understanding of sumo and should retire but I can't help but wonder how he is during keiko. Does he give a good effort there or just float around? Does he get harshly punished or ignored? Why is he allowed to continue? Is he useful around the heya? Does his family contribute money? I haven't seen bouts of the other 'persistents'. Are there any of them who put up a good effort en route to losing?

Sandanme Game Hatsu 07 Day 13 Results shikona wins losses est. wins/15 kk group best yusho score Mirai 78 17 12.32 15 15 7 15 15 Asashosakari 64 31 10.11 12 7 7 15 11.95 Randomitsuki 64 33 9.9 13 7 7 15 11.9 Doitsuyama 60 36 9.38 12 6 7 15 11.26 Kintamayama 62 34 9.69 13 5 6 5 10.29 Shiyonofuji 53 42 8.37 8 5 7 15 9.88 Yubiquitoyama 59 37 9.22 11 5 6 5 9.69 Aderechelseamaru 53 42 8.37 7 3 7 15 9.51 Kotononami 50 44 7.98 8 4 7 15 9.46 Zeokage 51 43 8.14 6 3 7 15 9.21 Genzai 54 40 8.62 10 4 6 5 8.97 Oshirokita 54 41 8.53 10 4 6 5 8.9 Profomisakari 55 42 8.51 10 4 6 5 8.9 Itachi 51 45 7.97 9 3 6 5 8.23 Senpai 50 45 7.89 7 4 6 5 8.05 Ganzohnesushi 52 42 8.3 9 4 5 0 7.98 Susanoo 45 49 7.18 7 4 6 5 7.49 Fay 48 44 7.83 7 4 5 0 7.35 Neko 48 46 7.66 7 3 5 0 7.12 Mukashi 47 50 7.27 8 2 5 0 6.85 Wolfgangho 45 48 7.26 6 2 5 0 6.56 Torideyama 46 50 7.19 7 1 4 0 6.54 Tamanaogijima 42 53 6.63 3 2 6 5 6.34 Sekihiryu 43 51 6.86 6 1 5 0 6.14 Vikanohara 43 51 6.86 5 1 5 0 6.02 Imumaru 42 52 6.7 4 0 4 0 5.65 Holleshoryu 38 57 6 3 1 4 0 5.12 shikona wins losses est. wins/15 kk group best yusho score It's Asashosakari in the lead with Randomitsuki very close behind. Doitsuyama has done well but will need a lot of luck to pull in front.There are only two 7 win rikishi. 2 of us picked Kagaya and 5 of us selected Masuhikari. The loser of the kettei-sen will earn 10 yusho bonus points and the winner, the full 15. Will this affect the winner of our game? Yes it might! Randomitsuki has Kagaya while Asashosakari has Masuhikari. If Kagaya wins the yusho, that could be enough to put Randomitsuki ahead.Susanoo is stradling the kk line despite having more losses than wins thanks to Tokitairyu's 6-1 record (one less than the yusho lead). Fay leads the unlucky few who have more wins than losses but are mk overall due to a lack of really strong performers.Good luck on day 14.

Wow, I'm winning! I'll probably drop down once the daily guesses are factored in because I didn't make any guesses. I couldn't remember who I selected! Now that I have a chance to finish well, I'll have to try and figure out where I put my pre-basho notes. As for setting up tables, I received some help from a kind forum member (was it Asashosakari?) in the form of a bunch of code that will make a table out of data in a spreadsheet in a form that can be cut and pasted into this message window. I've monkeyed around with it a bit and you see the result in my Sandanme Game posts. I'm not at my computer now, but I'll find time to send you (Fay) a sample of the code if you like.

I think it's all rikishi with wins > losses. If so, then one of your guys must have dropped from 3-2 to 3-3. Itachi replies> Yes, that's exactly right. It's kachikoshi trending rikishi. It's because your best rikishi(s) after Day 11 had four wins (4-2 or 4-1), so you were two wins away from the yusho lead (6-0). One or several of your 4-1 rikishi won on Day 12, getting you within one win of the yusho lead again, so you got back the 5 yusho points. I suggest making bonus-point comparisons only between the standings from even-numbered days...the odd-numbered days can be a bit misleading due to the split torikumi in the lower divisions. A good suggestion. Some of us were really bouncing around there.

Sandanme Game Hatsu 07 Day 12 Results shikona wins losses est. wins/15 kk group best yusho score Mirai 76 14 12.67 15 15 6 15 15 Asashosakari 60 30 10 10 6 6 15 11.28 Randomitsuki 58 32 9.67 9 7 6 15 11.03 Doitsuyama 57 33 9.5 10 6 6 15 10.91 Yubiquitoyama 56 34 9.33 8 5 6 15 10.41 Kintamayama 58 32 9.67 11 5 5 5 9.79 Profomisakari 51 39 8.5 6 5 6 15 9.55 Oshirokita 51 39 8.5 7 4 6 15 9.55 Genzai 51 39 8.5 7 4 6 15 9.55 Shiyonofuji 50 40 8.33 6 5 6 15 9.42 Aderechelseamaru 50 40 8.33 7 3 6 15 9.3 Kotononami 47 43 7.83 7 4 6 15 9.05 Itachi 48 42 8 6 3 6 15 8.93 Senpai 48 42 8 5 4 6 15 8.93 Zeokage 48 42 8 4 3 6 15 8.68 Susanoo 44 46 7.33 6 4 6 15 8.55 Ganzohnesushi 50 40 8.33 7 4 5 5 8.18 Fay 46 44 7.67 7 4 5 5 7.69 Neko 46 44 7.67 6 3 5 5 7.44 Tamanaogijima 40 50 6.67 3 2 6 15 7.44 Mukashi 43 47 7.17 5 3 5 5 6.94 Wolfgangho 43 47 7.17 5 2 5 5 6.82 Vikanohara 41 49 6.83 4 1 5 5 6.32 Sekihiryu 40 50 6.67 3 2 5 5 6.2 Torideyama 42 48 7 5 1 4 0 5.95 Imumaru 40 50 6.67 2 0 4 0 5.21 Holleshoryu 37 53 6.17 3 1 4 0 5.08 shikona wins losses est. wins/15 kk group best yusho score Asashosakari has stretched out his lead a bit over Randomitsuki, Doitsuyama, and Yubiquitoyama.Kintamayama, along with several others, sees a big improvement in his score after improving his best rikishi to 5 wins. Kintamayama has the most kk trending rikishi.Randomitsuki has the most group leading rikishi.Good luck on day 13.

Sandanme Game Hatsu 07 Day 11 Results shikona wins losses est. wins/15 kk group best yusho score Mirai 72 11 13.01 15 15 6 15 15 Asashosakari 55 27 10.06 11 4 6 15 10.98 Doitsuyama 53 29 9.7 11 5 6 15 10.85 Randomitsuki 53 29 9.7 11 3 6 15 10.6 Yubiquitoyama 50 33 9.04 9 2 6 15 9.74 Oshirokita 47 36 8.49 8 3 6 15 9.36 Aderechelseamaru 49 36 8.65 8 2 6 15 9.34 Genzai 47 37 8.39 8 2 6 15 9.16 Shiyonofuji 46 37 8.31 7 3 6 15 9.1 Profomisakari 45 37 8.23 7 3 6 15 9.05 Itachi 45 38 8.13 8 2 6 15 8.97 Zeokage 42 37 7.97 6 4 6 15 8.87 Kotononami 44 39 7.95 8 2 6 15 8.85 Senpai 44 39 7.95 6 2 6 15 8.59 Kintamayama 49 31 9.19 11 2 4 0 8.14 Susanoo 40 44 7.14 7 1 6 15 8.01 Tamanaogijima 38 43 7.04 5 3 6 15 7.94 Fay 40 43 7.23 7 1 5 5 6.79 Wolfgangho 40 43 7.23 6 2 5 5 6.79 Ganzohnesushi 42 39 7.78 7 2 4 0 6.64 Neko 42 40 7.68 7 2 4 0 6.59 Torideyama 39 44 7.05 6 1 4 0 5.9 Mukashi 37 45 6.77 6 1 4 0 5.69 Vikanohara 37 45 6.77 5 1 4 0 5.56 Sekihiryu 38 47 6.71 5 1 4 0 5.55 Imumaru 36 46 6.59 4 0 4 0 5.17 Holleshoryu 34 50 6.07 4 0 4 0 4.83 Asashosakari has a small lead over Doitsuyama and Randomitsuki. It looks like it will be a tight race.Kintamayama is the only other player with 11 kk trending rikishi but his overall score is getting demolished by the fact that none of his 11 successful rikishi have more than 4 wins at this point. That puts him 2 wins behind the yusho race leaders and cost him 100% of the yusho bonus.On the other hand, Susanoo and Tamanaogijima are able to stay above the kk line despite having more losses than wins since they have at least one rikishi still in the yusho race lead with 6 wins.Good luck on day 12.

Sandanme Game Hatsu 07 Day 10 Results shikona wins losses est. wins/15 kk group best yusho score Mirai 66 9 13.2 15 15 5 15 15 Asashosakari 52 23 10.4 12 6 5 15 11.49 Doitsuyama 50 25 10 11 7 5 15 11.22 Randomitsuki 49 26 9.8 12 5 5 15 10.95 Aderechelseamaru 46 29 9.2 11 3 5 15 10.14 Yubiquitoyama 46 29 9.2 10 3 5 15 10 Oshirokita 45 30 9 10 4 5 15 10 Genzai 45 30 9 10 3 5 15 9.86 Itachi 43 32 8.6 9 3 5 15 9.46 Shiyonofuji 43 32 8.6 8 4 5 15 9.46 Profomisakari 43 32 8.6 8 3 5 15 9.32 Kintamayama 48 27 9.6 13 2 4 5 9.19 Senpai 42 33 8.4 7 3 5 15 9.05 Zeokage 40 35 8 8 4 5 15 9.05 Kotononami 40 35 8 8 3 5 15 8.92 Fay 37 38 7.4 7 3 5 15 8.38 Susanoo 36 39 7.2 7 3 5 15 8.24 Wolfgangho 36 39 7.2 7 1 5 15 7.97 Neko 41 34 8.2 10 2 4 5 7.84 Tamanaogijima 34 41 6.8 6 3 5 15 7.84 Ganzohnesushi 41 34 8.2 8 3 4 5 7.7 Sekihiryu 38 37 7.6 8 2 4 5 7.16 Torideyama 37 38 7.4 7 2 4 5 6.89 Vikanohara 36 39 7.2 6 1 4 5 6.49 Mukashi 35 40 7 6 2 4 5 6.49 Imumaru 33 42 6.6 5 0 4 5 5.81 Holleshoryu 29 46 5.8 5 1 4 5 5.41 I'm a bit busy tonight so I'll send this out without comment.Good luck on day 11.

Omori was the first to leave and he had the highest career highest rank at Jonidan 130.

Sandanme Game Hatsu 07 Day 9 Results shikona wins losses est. wins/15 kk group best yusho score Mirai 65 9 13.18 15 15 5 15 15 Asashosakari 47 20 10.52 10 4 5 15 11.98 Randomitsuki 43 22 9.92 8 5 5 15 11.3 Doitsuyama 45 24 9.78 9 4 5 15 11.14 Aderechelseamaru 43 23 9.77 9 3 5 15 11.13 Kintamayama 42 25 9.4 9 2 4 5 10.7 Yubiquitoyama 40 26 9.09 7 4 5 15 10.35 Genzai 41 27 9.04 7 3 5 15 10.3 Oshirokita 40 27 8.96 7 3 5 15 10.2 Shiyonofuji 40 27 8.96 7 4 5 15 10.2 Itachi 39 27 8.86 7 3 5 15 10.09 Ganzohnesushi 39 29 8.6 8 3 4 5 9.79 Senpai 39 29 8.6 6 3 5 15 9.79 Profomisakari 37 29 8.41 5 3 5 15 9.57 Neko 36 31 8.06 7 4 4 5 9.18 Kotononami 37 32 8.04 7 2 5 15 9.16 Zeokage 36 33 7.83 6 2 5 15 8.91 Sekihiryu 34 33 7.61 5 1 4 5 8.67 Torideyama 35 34 7.61 6 1 4 5 8.66 Vikanohara 35 35 7.5 6 1 4 5 8.54 Tamanaogijima 33 36 7.17 5 3 5 15 8.17 Fay 32 35 7.16 5 1 5 15 8.16 Wolfgangho 31 34 7.15 4 1 5 15 8.14 Susanoo 32 37 6.96 5 2 5 15 7.92 Mukashi 31 37 6.84 5 1 4 5 7.79 Imumaru 29 40 6.3 3 0 4 5 7.18 Holleshoryu 28 41 6.09 4 2 4 5 6.93 Here is the expanded table with the number of kk rikishi, number of rikishi leading their group, best score among your 15 rikishi, and the projected yusho points.Some of you do better with just wins and losses while others benefit from having a few of the very best rikishi amongst your selections. One of the biggest point drains is to have none of your 15 rikishi stay in the yusho race. Asashosakari seems to have a good lead on the rest of us. Randomitsuki, Doitsuyama, and Aderechelseamaru are still close enough to keep him on his toes though. Kintamayama is falling behind. He has 9 kachikoshi trending rikishi which is good but very few of them are the best in their groups and none of them are keeping up with the yusho race leaders and this is what is holding him back.7 of us would be below the kk line if we left it at wins and losses. With the kk and group win points as well as the yusho lead bonus, only 2 of us are below the line.Mirai has 9 losses now to go with 6 undefeated rikishi. Good luck on day 10.

I'm a member at tradesports but I never play. I just like to observe the action and see how real events can affect the odds. ( I especially like checking to see who tradesports players think will run for US president in 2008). I'd be very tempted to play if sumo were on the menu except that the only other players would be keen observers of the sport like us forum members and so my specialized knowledge would be shared by all my competitors. Also, Toki isn't around anymore to soak up unrealistic fan support. Who do we like without justification now? Any relatively new foreigner I suppose. I agree with Aderechelseamaru that the games we play here are best left for fun. The are all sorts of places to gamble if you wish but our sumofan community has thrived on free exchange of information and there would be an opportunity cost associated with information if there were money at stake in any of our games. Let our games remain free of financial rewards so that we can maintain the free flow of information about sumo and all, regardless of economic standing, can compete to their hearts content without fear of consequence. If you really want to gamble on sumo, learn to read japanese well and find a japan based underground gambling site. I'm sure there are a few. I once played a sort of sumo lottery at my local liquor store in Hachinohe. There was a big list of prizes you would win if the combination of rikishi you picked did well enough relative to everyone elses. This was a fairly public contest. I'm sure there are lots of unoffical ones going on for real money instead of merchandise.

If Sugishita and Morikawa have a match where Morikawa can win his 4th and Sugishita his first then shouldn't there be kensho for the winner? Is it possible to purchase kensho for a non-sekitori match? Are there enough of us persistence watchers with enough resolve to put one up? How much would it cost?

Seems as if my "most average" picks were not the worst :-) Ganzohnesushi I used to be Mr. Most Average in this game a lot and I tended to do well (but not win). Since I lost the knack for picking the popular rikishi, I've done poorly. Somehow I seem to be doing ok this time without having the most average picks. It has been a strange tournament though (or is it just me?).

Sandanme Game Hatsu 07 Nakabi Results shikona wins losses wins/15 Mirai 56 4 14 Asashosakari 41 19 10.25 Kintamayama 39 21 9.75 Randomitsuki 38 22 9.5 Aderechelseamaru 38 22 9.5 Doitsuyama 38 22 9.5 Yubiquitoyama 36 24 9 Shiyonofuji 35 25 8.75 Itachi 34 26 8.5 Oshirokita 34 26 8.5 Genzai 34 26 8.5 Senpai 33 27 8.25 Profomisakari 32 28 8 Neko 32 28 8 Ganzohnesushi 32 28 8 Zeokage 31 29 7.75 Fay 30 30 7.5 Kotononami 29 31 7.25 Vikanohara 29 31 7.25 Torideyama 28 32 7 Sekihiryu 28 32 7 Wolfgangho 27 33 6.75 Tamanaogijima 26 34 6.5 Mukashi 25 35 6.25 Holleshoryu 25 35 6.25 Susanoo 25 35 6.25 Imumaru 23 37 5.75 Asashokakari has pulled ahead and Kintamayama is following close behind. Doitsuyama drops down to a third place in a tie with Randomitsuki and Aderechelseamaru who rejoins the leaders.Mirai now has 4 losses so the best possible wins/15 is now 14. Genzai is improving. Neko sits at the median while Fay is right on the kk line. Mukashi is tied with 2 others for second last ahead of Imumaru who may be nursing an injury ...Good luck on day 9.

Sandanme Game Hatsu 07 Day 7 Results shikona wins losses wins/15 Mirai 51 3 14.17 Doitsuyama 34 19 9.62 Asashosakari 34 19 9.62 Randomitsuki 34 20 9.44 Kintamayama 33 21 9.17 Yubiquitoyama 31 21 8.94 Aderechelseamaru 31 22 8.77 Shiyonofuji 31 22 8.77 Itachi 30 22 8.65 Genzai 28 24 8.08 Oshirokita 29 25 8.06 Senpai 26 25 7.65 Zeokage 27 26 7.64 Profomisakari 27 27 7.5 Neko 26 26 7.5 Ganzohnesushi 26 27 7.36 Fay 26 28 7.22 Wolfgangho 24 26 7.2 Torideyama 24 27 7.06 Vikanohara 23 26 7.04 Sekihiryu 24 28 6.92 Susanoo 23 30 6.51 Kotononami 22 29 6.47 Holleshoryu 20 29 6.12 Tamanaogijima 22 32 6.11 Mukashi 21 32 5.94 Imumaru 21 33 5.83 After some minor corrections and a good night, Randomitsuki joins the top 4 (5 including Mirai) with Aderechelseamaru dropping out after a horrible night.Doitsuyama joins Asashosakari for a share of the yusho race lead followed by Randomitsuki and then Kintamayama.Good luck on nakabi.

Ah, right you are - I got it backwards! I was reading the standings from the table script in my post so it wasn't easy to read.

I feel I ought to add my voice to this contributors appreciation thread as I have enjoyed mostly lurking and leeching information over the years. I'm a bit envious of those who are in a position to hang around where all the action is and report on it but it's quite likely that even if I lived in the heart of Ryogoku, I wouldn't find the time to contribute as well as our under paid reporting staff do. As Kintamayama pointed out, the lurking has never been better. This forum was always good but now all kinds of material is available that I would never have thought to ask for. I wonder if there are any Japanese language forums like this with equivalent nourishment for the sumo otaku? Could it be that this community of international fans represents that broadest source of timely information on ozumo available online?

Sandanme Game Hatsu 07 Day 6 Results shikona wins losses wins/15 Mirai 44 1 14.67 Asashosakari 29 16 9.67 Aderechelseamaru 28 17 9.33 Doitsuyama 28 17 9.33 Kintamayama 28 17 9.33 Yubiquitoyama 26 19 8.67 Randomitsuki 24 19 8.37 Itachi 25 20 8.33 Shiyonofuji 25 20 8.33 Zeokage 24 21 8 Wolfgangho 23 22 7.67 Neko 23 22 7.67 Oshirokita 23 22 7.67 Genzai 23 22 7.67 Profomisakari 22 23 7.33 Senpai 22 23 7.33 Fay 21 24 7 Torideyama 21 24 7 Ganzohnesushi 21 24 7 Holleshoryu 20 25 6.67 Sekihiryu 20 25 6.67 Kotononami 19 26 6.33 Vikanohara 19 26 6.33 Tamanaogijima 18 27 6 Imumaru 18 27 6 Susanoo 18 27 6 Mukashi 17 28 5.67 The same 5 players occupy the top five positions as yesterday. Mirai has the best record of course, Aderechelseamaru takes over the yusho race lead from Asashosakari who finds himself tied with Kintamayama and Doitsuyama for second place.The three drones are perfectly aligned today. Mirai is at the top, Mukashi at the bottom, and Genzai is right at the median! Also everyone below Genzai has a makekoshi record while everyone above is on pace for kachikoshi.Good luck on day 7.

Wow! He's got 30 losses and one fusen-sho as his offical record - 35 losses if you count his 0-5 maezumo outing! Even if he is very young, how long does he go on before hanging it up? Do they do a danpatsushiki or anything for the lower division guys or is that just for sekitori? Of course I would love to see him rewarded for his persistence with a successful career but now I'll settle for seing him get just one non-fusen win before giving up. Here comes the data miner question - what's the futility record? Who suffered the most losses before their first non-fusen win? Probably inclusion of maezumo will be too difficult but it would be fun to include it if the data is available.