Fujisan 533 Posted January 15, 2003 Rather ironic really.Dont ask me for details,I dont know any but its official,back on day5 fighting Toki. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hashira 0 Posted January 15, 2003 THIS IS WONDERFUL!!!!! this is amazing, i didn't even know u were allowed to do this, apparently it's the first time in 50 years or something... well, he's got a very outside shot at the yusho i guess, but he'll "start" 2-2, so he'll only have to win 6 of 11 for kachi-koshi, it's all good, and i guess he won't be retiring! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted January 15, 2003 apparently it's the first time in 50 years or something... That's not usual but not too rare either. Tochisakae came back after several days out to try secure his stay in makuuchi last year unless my memory fails. Few years ago Ganyu tried the same. Can't remember outright whether it was successful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 396 Posted January 15, 2003 Takanowaka also returned to action after missing 8 days (plus a fusenpai) in the middle of the Hatsu 2002 tournament. As a point of interest, Taka-zeki has been pretty effective since then. He went 11-4 from near the bottom of the banzuke during the Haru basho and then had a couple of 7-8 records from the upper maegashira ranks during Natsu and Nagoya. During Aki he earned a promotion to Komusubi (I don't remember his record) and at Kyushu he won 11 again and rose to sekiwake east where is currently ranked. I used to think Takanowaka lacked the drive necessary to be among the best but he seemed to find the fighting spirit that basho that he came back (to win against Asanowaka and then lose his last two). After all, KK wasn't even possible when he returned with 3 days remaining but he had a burning desire to compete which I'd never really seen in him previously. Of course we all know that Takanohana has that fire in him somewhere. I'll bet he comes back with some fiercely competitive (if not winning) sumo this tournament. Itachi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted January 15, 2003 Yes but question is,did Takanohana want to finish the basho or was he forced to,if he was forced to,is he fit enough to make a good showing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiyozakura 148 Posted January 15, 2003 Missing some days in the middle of the basho is not that unusual, but for a Yokozuna it is very rare. I don't remember a single case of this. Normally rikishi that are in danger of losing their ranks or hoping for a better promotion return, but a Yokozuna already is at the top... If you have to miss two days you have an injury that probably is not fully healed on the third or fourth day. Against Toki Taka should win with his hand behind his back, but then? I can only wonder about this Takanohana...if he goes on winning his remaining matches and contends for the Yusho as expected from a Yokozuna there will be another chapter in the book of his accomplishments, but it is far more likely that he will lose some more matches looking like an old man failing to repeat history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naifuzan 1 Posted January 15, 2003 Can't remember last time I was this glad over being wrong  :-D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manekineko 200 Posted January 15, 2003 Missing some days in the middle of the basho is not that unusual, but for a Yokozuna it is very rare. I don't remember a single case of this. Quoting Mainichi Daily News: "Takanohana's reappearance in the ring will be the first time in almost half a century a yokozuna has resumed grappling in the same tourney after once withdrawing. Yokozuna Azumafuji was the last rikishi at sumo's top rank to first pull out and then re-enter the same tourney, back in 1954." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted January 15, 2003 Missing some days in the middle of the basho is not that unusual, but for a Yokozuna it is very rare. I don't remember a single case of this. Normally rikishi that are in danger of losing their ranks or hoping for a better promotion return, but a Yokozuna already is at the top... Checking this up, it's not so strange, since indeed Azumafuji was the last case, in 1954... This is the list beginning with th 32nd yokozuna Tamanishiki. Strangely enough (or not, although I don't know the exact reason) every case beginning with the early 30s, is restricted to a short period between 1948 and 1954, with Azumafuji being the most extreme with his four returns during yokozuna-hood. Note how TWO yokozunas went away and came back in 1950.01... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hashira 0 Posted January 15, 2003 i notice that takanohana's record is listed as 2-1-1. Does this have any effect on his ability to make kachi-koshi/a yusho tiebreaker? i.e.-does he still have to win 8 for KK? -i both him and asasho end with 12 wins, do they still have to fight in a tiebreaker, or does taka win for getting his wins in less matches? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted January 15, 2003 i notice that takanohana's record is listed as 2-1-1. Does this have any effect on his ability to make kachi-koshi/a yusho tiebreaker?i.e.-does he still have to win 8 for KK? -i both him and asasho end with 12 wins, do they still have to fight in a tiebreaker, or does taka win for getting his wins in less matches? An absence equals a loss. 2-1-1 is in this context the same as 2-2. Eight wins are still needed for kachikoshi. If Asashoryu in your example ends up with 12-3 after honwari (regular schedule of fifteen bouts) and Takanohana's score is 12-2-1 and there are no one with more wins, these two (and possibly others with twelve wins be they of any combination (12-3, 12-2-1 or 12-1-2)) will have a play-off between them. In other words, only wins count. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hashira 0 Posted January 16, 2003 arigatou gozaimasu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted January 16, 2003 Miyabiyamawont be back thats for sure,reports say his ankle was broken,no wonder he left in a wheelchair.Another fusen sho is Tamakasuga,the casualtiesare piling up again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naifuzan 1 Posted January 17, 2003 the casualtiesare piling up again. At least it's not the top ranking rikishis this time. Miyabiyama and Tamakasuga I can spare  (Devilish thought) Still hate to see injuries tho, and especially at the frequency I've been seing them lateley. Makes one worry about the future... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted January 17, 2003 Funny you should mention it Oshi,latest casualty is Tochiazuma withdrawn on day 6 reason unknown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QttP 0 Posted January 17, 2003 Funny you should mention it Oshi,latest casualty is Tochiazuma withdrawn on day 6 reason unknown. Something related to cold. The real reason is that it looks better to withdraw and end up with 0-6-9 than end up with 0-15 (or 2-13 or something). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,093 Posted January 17, 2003 I have it on good authority that Tochiazuma has pulled out because of a broken ego. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manekineko 200 Posted January 17, 2003 I was relieved to see Azuma finaly pack it up, partly because I hate to see quality rikishi (and he is that, whether you like his style or not) loose so badly, and partly because having him as my 12pt really hurt my Hoshitori results so far. So, cruel as it might be, my first thought when I learned that he was kyujo was: "Thank goodness, now my Hoshitori sub will kick in". But since I keep my entries at home computer, it wasn't until I returned from work that I saw who my sub is: Tamakasuga. Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh! (apologies for gamer lament, but I just had to...) Anyway, I hope Azuma recovers to his old reliable form soon, lack of stable Ozeki figures has detrimental influence on my cyber-sumo, and sumo in general. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
