Itachi 396 Posted December 23, 2006 (edited) Welcome to another round of the Sandanme Game. The banzuke is under construction and I'll present that once Xmas preparations are over. I will be collecting your picks anytime you have them ready to send in. For those who have not been following along, here is a link to the previous basho of the Sandanme Game. http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=10572 Here is how the game works ... Pick 15 Sandanme riksihi. I have divided the division into 15 groups (15 is a useful number in sumogames) The top half of Sandanme is divided into 10 groups - Sd 1-5, Sd 6-10 etc. The lower half of Sandanme is divided into 5 groups - Sd 51-60, Sd 61-70 etc. Pick one rikishi from each group and send them to me at nmatsuo@shaw.ca Scoring You earn .1 point for each win by your rikishi. You earn .1 point for each kachikoshi rikishi. You earn .1 point for each rikishi who leads his group. With 15 rikishi, you could earn up to 13.5 points. We want scores out of 15 for nice win-loss results. The extra 1.5 points are based on the sandame yusho winning score. If you have the yusho winner you get the full 1.5 If you have a rikishi with as many wins as the yusho winner (a playoff match loser) you get 1.0 points. If you have a rikishi with one win less than the yusho winner you earn 0.5 points. Drones Unless there are 15 7-0 rikishi, it is not possible to get 15 points - the best possible team is represented by the drone Mirai who knows the future and picks the best possible lineup. Our scores will be adjusted at the end of the tournament so that Mirai's score will round to 15-0. The drone Genzai will select the most popular rikishi from each group. Genzai's selections will not be known until all entries are in. Typically, our collective picks do very well. Only the best of us will beat Genzai. The drone Mukashi selects the rikishi who had the best records last tournament or beyond if there is a tie. I will post Mukashi's selections soon (or check Mirai's picks in the previous basho thread). Mirai always has the best record but is not eligible to win the yusho. Mukashi tends to have one of the poorer records but last tournament, Genzai and Mukashi had very similar and very strong teams. They finished ahead of everyone except Mirai, the yusho winner (Itachi), Asashosakari, Randomitsuki, and Tamanaogijima. I look forward to receiving your selections. Itachi p.s. Lower division fans may also enjoy Fay's new game. There is a nice website to support it as well! Edited January 22, 2007 by Itachi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fay 1,677 Posted December 25, 2006 p.s. Lower division fans may also enjoy Fay's new game. There is a nice website to support it as well! Thanks for supporting ;-) Just made my usual selection for the Sandanme game - favourite rikishi, favourite heya - which leads me to the bottom of your banzuke :-P (Laughing...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 396 Posted December 29, 2006 (edited) Sandanme Game Banzuke Hatsu 2007 East Yokozuna 1 Mirai YE (15-0) West East Sekiwake 1 Itachi K1W(12-3) West[/center] Sekiwake 1 Genzai K2E(11-4) East Sekiwake 2 Doitsuyama K1E(9-6) West East Komusubi 1 Tamanaogijima M2E(11-4) West Komusubi 1 Sekihiryu M11W(10-5) East Komusubi 2 Yubiquitoyama M3E(10-5) West East Maegashira 1 Profomisakari M3W(10-5) West Maegashira 1 Torideyama M2E (8-7) East Maegashira 2 Fay M1E(7-8) West Maegashira 2 Mukashi M5E(10-5) East Maegashira 3 Randomitsuki M7W(11-4) West Maegashira 3 Asashosakari M8W(11-4) East Maegashira 4 Holleshoryu M6W(10-5) West Maegashira 4 Aderechelseamaru M4E(8-7) East Maegashira 5 Kotononami M4W(8-7) West Maegashira 5 Imumaru M5W(10-5) East Maegashira 6 Oshirokita M6WE(9-6) West Maegashira 6 Wolfgangho M7E(7-8) East Maegashira 7 Neko M8E(7-8) West It was a bit harder to set the banzuke this time. Since so many of us acheived kk, 8-7 is not such a great record to have and those are getting trampled down by players with better records who deserve to rise to the top. Particularly at the bottom of the banzuke, at least 10 wins were needed to assure upwards movement. Surely, there are better banzuke experts that me who can critique my banzuke. I am open to critisicms and suggestions. I am especially open to volunteers for banzuke making. I just want to avoid a crowded sanyaku so if it takes 10 wins to move up, so be it. I will probably post again before the new year but if not, here are my best wishes for all of you for 2007.Itachi Edited December 30, 2006 by Itachi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 873 Posted December 29, 2006 And where am I in this Banzuke? Profomisakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 396 Posted December 30, 2006 (edited) Yeah, Profomisakari, where are you? It was a bit late by the time I posted the banzuke and it seems I've put Yubiquitoyama in twice. I don't have my notes with me now so it'll have to wait until later tonight when I get home but I expect that one of those Yubiquitoyamas is supposed to be you. Sorry for the mix up. Itachi Ok, by checking the results from last basho, I can see that Profomisakari should be right behind Yubiquitoyama. I've edited the banzuke accordingly. Edited December 30, 2006 by Itachi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 396 Posted January 4, 2007 There is just under 3 days left to go and only 6 are missing from last time. Most of these tend to enter at the last minute so we could continue our streak of not losing any players. There is one new player so we could have 21 in this time - perhaps more if others join. Still unaccounted for are Oshirokita, Doitsuyama, Asashosakari, Tamanaogijima, Sekihiryu, and Yubiquitoyama. The new banzuke isn't available at the customized sumo results site yet so I haven't been able to process your entries yet. If they don't update that site, I'll have to do it the long way but it will get done! Itachi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,661 Posted January 4, 2007 FWIW, I suspect sekihiryu won't be participating if he hasn't sent any picks yet. And there's always Doitsuyama's banzuke post if scgroup is late. B-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sekihiryu 51 Posted January 4, 2007 I will get a team in for this on Sat (found a computer at a bar so just checked in now) I am skipping all the daily games this basho though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 396 Posted January 6, 2007 And there's always Doitsuyama's banzuke post if scgroup is late. (Neener, neener...) Thanks for the advice but I already stayed up until the wee hours of the morning manually updating the scgroup files I used last time. I may have made mistakes but I've got from the Yokozuna down to the bottom of Sandanme completed. I don't think I'll bother to do Jonidan or Jonokuchi. The drawback to using Doitsuyama's post alone is that you can't see the past basho records alongside. When scgroup updates, it is super easy to find Mukashi's selections for example. Also, my scoring sheet reads the win-loss columns that scgroup updates daily. I'd have to redesign my sheets or manually enter wins and losses without it. If I'm forced to update scores manually, there might not be daily updates as some nights there simply isn't enough time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 396 Posted January 6, 2007 I will get a team in for this on Sat (found a computer at a bar so just checked in now)I am skipping all the daily games this basho though. Thanks for your dedication! I also find pre-basho games work better when I'm busy but then I've gone and committed myself to daily updates so there goes all the time I saved by cutting back on daily games. We have 3 new players so far and there are just four former players unaccounted for (not including Sekihiryu who has declared his intention to participate). 3 of these 4 normally come in on the final day so it is likely that we will have the largest turnout yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 396 Posted January 7, 2007 Now all former players have returned! We have 20 returnees form last basho (including the 3 drones) and 7 new players for a total of 27 - a new record. Good luck to all of us. I, for one, would like to see a new winner (only Doitsuyama and I have won so far). I've sent messages to all about their kyujo rikishi except the vry last two entrants, Yubiquitoyama and Sekihiryu. I won't be able to verify their lineups until tomorrow so hopefully there won't be any changes necessary. See you on the dohyo. Itachi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,661 Posted January 7, 2007 Yay, I managed to include not just one, but two shonichi fusen losers on my squad...is there a replacement rule for such cases? (In case it's similar to the MsGame rules, I'd like to replace Takahama with Yamasaki, and Tokitsukasa with Hoshizakura...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomitsuki 2,843 Posted January 7, 2007 I think the replacements will be the picks by Mukashi (highest mover into a bracket). Anyway, since I do not know Mukashi's picks, I would also be interested to know whether changes can be made. If yes, I'd like to replace Takahama with Tokitairyu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 396 Posted January 8, 2007 To answer Asashosakari and Randomitsuki, changes for kyujo rikishi are allowed as long as the replacements haven't had a bout yet. The default is to replace missing rikishi with Mukashi's pick (which I'll post when I get back home tonight) but in every case I've emailed the player to offer the choice. I hadn't visited the forum this morning when I sent out the replacement messages so I'll adjust the replacements accordingly tonight. Thanks to everyone for playing. Itachi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 396 Posted January 8, 2007 Sandanme Game Hatsuu 07 Day 1 Results shikona wins losses wins/15 Asashosakari 5 0 15 Mirai 15 0 15 Aderechelseamaru 7 2 11.67 Neko 3 1 11.25 Kintamayama 5 2 10.71 Holleshoryu 6 3 10 Doitsuyama 6 3 10 Sekihiryu 5 3 9.38 Kotononami 3 2 9 Oshirokita 3 2 9 Shiyonofuji 3 2 9 Mukashi 4 3 8.57 Profomisakari 4 3 8.57 Ganzohnesushi 4 3 8.57 Itachi 3 3 7.5 Wolfgangho 6 6 7.5 Torideyama 5 5 7.5 Imumaru 3 3 7.5 Senpai 4 4 7.5 Yubiquitoyama 3 4 6.43 Vikanohara 3 4 6.43 Genzai 2 3 6 Fay 3 5 5.63 Randomitsuki 3 5 5.63 Susanoo 3 5 5.63 Tamanaogijima 1 4 3 Zeokage 1 5 2.5 Here are the results for day one.Since it is early, only the projected wins per 15 bouts stat is presented. As the tournament continues, I'll start to include the kk and group lead points as well as the yusho points that are inculded in the final scoring.Asashosakari is listed above Mirai which is a first. Neither have a loss and Asashosakari is earlier in the alphabet (and Mirai is at the end of my spreadsheet).Mukashi is ranked ahead of Genzai which is also unusual but not every rikishi has had a match yet - only about 1/4 of Sandanme rikishi started on day 2.Good luck on day 2 (yes, I know it has already happened)Itachi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 396 Posted January 8, 2007 (edited) Selection Stats (and Genzai's picks) Hatsu 07 group number of rikishi taken most popular Rikishi popularity (out of 26) Sd 1-5 6 Matsutani 14 Sd 6-10 8 Tokitairyu 10 Sd 11-15 8 Gotenyu 6 Sd 16-20 8 Kainowaka 6 Sd 21-25 7 Mankajo 9 Sd 26-30 6 Asahibenten 8 Sd 31-35 7 Takaazuma 18 Sd36-40 6 Mouri 17 Sd 41-45 8 Tokio 13 Sd 46-50 7 Kubota 7 Sd 51-60 8 Hoshizakura 10 Sd 61-70 12 Kosei 7 Sd 71-80 6 Wakarikido 16 Sd 81-90 9 Satsumariki 7 Sd 91-100 8 Kainohama 19 Here are Genzai's picks. Genzai selects the most popular rikishi from each group. Genzai tends to do well because collectively, Sandanme Game players do very well at selecting winners.Kainohama was the most popular rikishi but everyone that didn't select him took a different one - there was no consensus 2nd choice. Mukashi's picks Hatsu 07 group Rikishi Sd 1-5 Matsutani Sd 6-10 Kirinishiki Sd 11-15 Munakata Sd 16-20 Bungonishiki Sd 21-25 Minanosato Sd 26-30 Yuminosato Sd 31-35 Takaazuma Sd36-40 Mouri Sd 41-45 Tokio Sd 46-50 Soranzan Sd 51-60 Sonoda Sd 61-70 Tensho Sd 71-80 Wakarikido Sd 81-90 Takahashimoto Sd 91-100 Kainohama Mukashi selects the rikishi who had the best tournament last time. In two of three tournaments, Mukashi has finished close to last but last tournament, Genzai and Mukashi both did very well and had very similar picks.Mukashi has a better record than Genzai this shonichi but I'm expect that to change quickly. Edited January 9, 2007 by Itachi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 396 Posted January 9, 2007 (edited) Sandanme Game Hatsu 07 Day 2 Results shikona wins losses wins/15 Mirai 15 0 15 Aderechelseamaru 12 3 12 Doitsuyama 11 4 11 Holleshoryu 9 6 9 Asashosakari 9 6 9 Shiyonofuji 9 6 9 Itachi 8 7 8 Wolfgangho 8 7 8 Kotononami 8 7 8 Torideyama 8 7 8 Sekihiryu 8 7 8 Senpai 8 7 8 Fay 7 8 7 Randomitsuki 7 8 7 Neko 7 8 7 Ganzohnesushi 7 8 7 Genzai 7 8 7 Mukashi 6 9 6 Profomisakari 6 9 6 Tamanaogijima 6 9 6 Oshirokita 6 9 6 Imumaru 6 9 6 Yubiquitoyama 6 9 6 Vikanohara 6 9 6 Zeokage 6 9 6 Kintamayama 6 9 6 Susanoo 6 9 6 As far as the drones go, all is back to normal. Mirai has moved ahead of Aderechelseamaru for the overall lead and Genzai is ahead of Mukashi. Neither Genzai nor Mukashi are off to that good of a start though!All rikishi who failed to appear for their day 1 bout have now announced their kyujo status and all who picked them have been advised of their replacement options. As every rikishi has had a bout now, no further choices can be made so anyone who did not indicate a choice has received the default pick - Mukashi's pick for any kyujo rikishi.I would like to thank everyone again for making this game a continuing success. I am glad all of you who gave it a try have found it worthwhile to continue and I am pleased that we have attracted 7 new players. Naturally, I would prefer to have a nice website and some automation to help me run this game but I won't have time to learn how to do much of that for the next few basho so hopefully my posts on this subforum thread are adequate.Good luck on day 3 (any minute now). Edited January 9, 2007 by Itachi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 396 Posted January 10, 2007 Well, once again stormy weather has interrupted my sumo game maintenance. I'm writing from the office where I don't have my Sandanme Game files to work with. If both power and my internet connection are working before I fall asleep tonight, I'll send out the Day 3 results. Otherwise, the next update will be for Day 4. We're off to Okasan's for dinner since they have power and they also have NHK so perhaps I'll see last night's highlights on sumo digest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 396 Posted January 10, 2007 Sandanme Game Hatsu 07 Day 3 Results shikona wins losses wins/15 Mirai 27 0 15 Doitsuyama 15 6 10.71 Aderechelseamaru 15 7 10.23 Asashosakari 15 7 10.23 Itachi 11 8 8.68 Randomitsuki 11 9 8.25 Shiyonofuji 11 9 8.25 Kintamayama 12 10 8.18 Sekihiryu 10 9 7.89 Holleshoryu 11 10 7.86 Neko 11 10 7.86 Genzai 9 9 7.5 Fay 12 13 7.2 Kotononami 11 12 7.17 Torideyama 10 11 7.14 Oshirokita 10 11 7.14 Zeokage 10 12 6.82 Senpai 9 11 6.75 Profomisakari 10 13 6.52 Ganzohnesushi 10 13 6.52 Vikanohara 9 12 6.43 Imumaru 8 12 6 Yubiquitoyama 7 11 5.83 Wolfgangho 9 15 5.63 Mukashi 9 16 5.4 Susanoo 7 13 5.25 Tamanaogijima 7 14 5 Although day 4 has already happened, the results are not yet available in the form I need so here are the day 3 results.Most of us seem to be off to a rough start. This may not be so bad as it will make a better banzuke but I don't want discouraged players dropping out on us so good luck on day 4 everyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 396 Posted January 10, 2007 Sandanme Game Hatsu 07 Day 4 Results shikona wins losses wins/15 Mirai 30 0 15 Aderechelseamaru 21 9 10.5 Asashosakari 21 9 10.5 Doitsuyama 20 10 10 Itachi 18 12 9 Neko 18 12 9 Yubiquitoyama 18 12 9 Shiyonofuji 18 12 9 Kintamayama 17 13 8.5 Randomitsuki 16 13 8.28 Senpai 16 14 8 Genzai 16 14 8 Profomisakari 15 15 7.5 Kotononami 15 15 7.5 Oshirokita 15 15 7.5 Ganzohnesushi 15 15 7.5 Torideyama 14 16 7 Sekihiryu 14 16 7 Holleshoryu 13 17 6.5 Tamanaogijima 13 17 6.5 Vikanohara 13 17 6.5 Zeokage 13 17 6.5 Susanoo 13 17 6.5 Mukashi 12 18 6 Fay 12 18 6 Wolfgangho 12 18 6 Imumaru 10 20 5 Everyone has had 2 matches for each of their rikishi except Randomitsuki for some reason.Asashosakari and Aderechelseamaru have taken over the lead from Doitsuyama. Good luck on day 5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 396 Posted January 12, 2007 Sandanme Game Hatsu 07 Day 5 Results shikona wins losses wins/15 Mirai 42 1 14.65 Aderechelseamaru 25 13 9.87 Asashosakari 26 15 9.51 Kintamayama 25 15 9.38 Doitsuyama 23 14 9.32 Itachi 21 16 8.51 Shiyonofuji 21 16 8.51 Yubiquitoyama 22 17 8.46 Randomitsuki 19 18 7.7 Senpai 19 18 7.7 Genzai 19 18 7.7 Neko 20 19 7.69 Torideyama 19 19 7.5 Oshirokita 19 19 7.5 Profomisakari 19 20 7.31 Fay 19 20 7.31 Ganzohnesushi 19 20 7.31 Vikanohara 18 19 7.3 Zeokage 16 17 7.27 Kotononami 17 20 6.89 Sekihiryu 16 19 6.86 Holleshoryu 18 22 6.75 Wolfgangho 15 19 6.62 Susanoo 14 21 6 Mukashi 15 24 5.77 Tamanaogijima 13 21 5.74 Imumaru 13 22 5.57 Aderechelseamaru has pulled into to the lead over Asashosakari and Kintamayama has bumped Doitsuyama out of third by just a hair.Mirai actually has a loss which means that in one of the groups, no rikishi remains undefeated.Genzai is well ahead of Mukashi and Mukashi trails everyone but two of us which is what we've come to expect.A bit surprising is the number of us below the kachikoshi line. It is still early but exactly half of the human players are below the kk line and half above. It may not be as much fun for those who are losing but having half kk and half mk is the way sumo competitions are supposed to work so that is good. I just hope that it isn't always the same rikishi losing each basho because I don't want anyone getting discouraged. 11 of us (including semi-human Genzai) have just one more win than losses or the other way around which again is nearly half the human players.Genzai seems to be a bit of a cyborg as its picks are entirely based on human decisions (our collective choices). The other two drone's picks are based only on the actual results (past or future) and are independant of human will (except as it regards the rikishi themselves who determine the results through their actions on the dohyo).Day 6 is nearly underway. Good luck everyone.Itachi (who is looking forward to crowning a new champion but will do his best to make them earn it) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 396 Posted January 13, 2007 Sandanme Game Hatsu 07 Day 6 Results shikona wins losses wins/15 Mirai 44 1 14.67 Asashosakari 29 16 9.67 Aderechelseamaru 28 17 9.33 Doitsuyama 28 17 9.33 Kintamayama 28 17 9.33 Yubiquitoyama 26 19 8.67 Randomitsuki 24 19 8.37 Itachi 25 20 8.33 Shiyonofuji 25 20 8.33 Zeokage 24 21 8 Wolfgangho 23 22 7.67 Neko 23 22 7.67 Oshirokita 23 22 7.67 Genzai 23 22 7.67 Profomisakari 22 23 7.33 Senpai 22 23 7.33 Fay 21 24 7 Torideyama 21 24 7 Ganzohnesushi 21 24 7 Holleshoryu 20 25 6.67 Sekihiryu 20 25 6.67 Kotononami 19 26 6.33 Vikanohara 19 26 6.33 Tamanaogijima 18 27 6 Imumaru 18 27 6 Susanoo 18 27 6 Mukashi 17 28 5.67 The same 5 players occupy the top five positions as yesterday. Mirai has the best record of course, Aderechelseamaru takes over the yusho race lead from Asashosakari who finds himself tied with Kintamayama and Doitsuyama for second place.The three drones are perfectly aligned today. Mirai is at the top, Mukashi at the bottom, and Genzai is right at the median! Also everyone below Genzai has a makekoshi record while everyone above is on pace for kachikoshi.Good luck on day 7. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted January 13, 2007 yeah .. i wish I was leading indeed but it is Asashosakari in first place and me tied in 2nd .... :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 396 Posted January 13, 2007 yeah .. i wish I was leading indeed but it is Asashosakari in first place and me tied in 2nd ....:-) Ah, right you are - I got it backwards! I was reading the standings from the table script in my post so it wasn't easy to read. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikanohara 171 Posted January 13, 2007 It seems I have lost quite some places today. (Sign of disapproval...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
