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[Akinomaki 40,028]

12 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Oguruma-beya closes after the Hatsu-basho, the riji-kai after the Hatsu basho is expected to acknowledge it officially. It was planned for after Haru, the oyakata reached retirement age in April, but the lodgings for Osaka can't be used and there are other reasons as well. In April Oshiogawa (Takekaze) plans to go independent, Nakamura (Yoshikaze) is preparing for that as well.

Nikkan adds some comments now, Hochi was the first to report it. Oguruma: "It has been arranged that the riji-kai after the (Hatsu) basho acknowledges it. I'm talking over with them now what has to be done." The timing of the independence of the 2 oyakata and the transfer (iseki, 移籍) of the rikishi are the main uncertain things now. "Takekaze has the heya construction in process. Yoshikaze has the intai zumo event coming and also a lawsuit going on, so. It's getting complicated in the head. We are doing a variety of adjustments to have it become Oshiogawa-beya and Nakamura-beya for March (Haru basho)." https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202112250000327.html

Edited December 25, 2021 by Akinomaki

[Adil 232]

6 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

Edit: Although I see now that WWWJDIC's sole provided translation for 転属 tenzoku is "changing assignments", which I guess is treated as not idiomatic enough and thus ends up as "transfer" in all the fulltext translation engines. That sounds somewhat less like a truly physical move, but it's arguably still implying that there's one entity to come from and a separate one to go to, not what it truly is here, a simple name change. (And notably, tenzoku was used all the same for the tokoyama who's going to Kataonami which actually is someplace else entirely.)

属 meaning "affiliation" or "belonging" (among other things), I would think the most logical translation for 転属 would be "change in affiliation", just like 転職 (job change).

[Akinomaki 40,028]

6 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Oguruma: "It has been arranged that the riji-kai after the (Hatsu) basho acknowledges it.

We are doing a variety of adjustments to have it become Oshiogawa-beya and Nakamura-beya for March (Haru basho)." https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202112250000327.html

Kyodo gives the information for the meantime: If the rijikai gives the approval, Oguruma and the rikishi will transfer to (then newly formed) Oshiogawa-beya http://www.sankei.com/article/20211225-4TBIGZFOQRP2DBADWLIIY3VWHI/

[Yubinhaad 11,590]

19 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

The Kyokai made the various Nishonoseki-involving changes official today, stating that the approval was made at a board meeting on December 2nd, so that's probably also the date as of which everything officially happened. The duties list page should be able to confirm via its revision date - eventually anyway, at this moment it's not updated yet.

Somewhat unusually for a simple change-of-ownership transfer, one erstwhile Nishonoseki-beya member will not be in Hanaregoma-beya now; first-class tokoyama Tokohira has moved to Kataonami-beya.

Baffling. Does 令和３年１２月２日理事会で、本日付け mean "The board meeting of December 2nd decided that as of today" (as in the publication date, 24th), or does it mean "as of that day"? 

Tokohira was originally from the old Nishonoseki-beya which was in Sumida-ku, like Kataonami-beya is now. Maybe he just preferred a return there instead of Adachi for his last year-and-a-half in the job? I find it quite amusing that he's moved to Kataonami which is where Hanaregoma came from to join Matsugane.

 

12 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

I don't think Hanaregoma's new place (assuming it's legitimately happening) is anywhere near ready anyway. Outside of a handful of Twitter comments during the last few days that were all very sparse on details, the earliest mention whatsoever that I've been able to dig up was a very brief "I heard some good news today, there's a third sumo beya coming to Adachi-ku" off-hand comment on the (mostly non-sumo) blog of a Tokyo local, less than two months ago. If there's more tangible evidence out there, e.g. along the lines of the named construction site image plus target date for opening that we got for Oshiogawa's new one, I have yet to see it. The sports papers didn't say anything about it in covering the Nishonoseki realignment.

The post you found mentions Roku-cho which at least tallies with this blog post from back in January. This is said to be the location, but alas I think the official notice is what is just out of frame on the right:

 

No change to ex-Chiyootori's position yet. If he is borrowing Sanoyama, it seems quite apt considering its recent history as the borrower's friend.

[Kamitsuumi 389]

1 hour ago, Yubinhaad said:

Baffling. Does 令和３年１２月２日理事会で、本日付け mean "The board meeting of December 2nd decided that as of today" (as in the publication date, 24th), or does it mean "as of that day"? 

It would be "today". "That day" would be "当日".

[Tamanaogijima 747]

On 24/12/2021 at 20:49, Asashosakari said:

The Kyokai made the various Nishonoseki-involving changes official today, stating that the approval was made at a board meeting on December 2nd, so that's probably also the date as of which everything officially happened. The duties list page should be able to confirm via its revision date - eventually anyway, at this moment it's not updated yet.

... and almost exactly 61 years after another Araiso-beya turned into the the ichimon's eponym upon the retirement of the last holder.

Back in 1961 it was Araiso -> Isegahama under Yokozuna Terukuni. It was a also a bit complicated back then as retiring Isegahama (Sekiwake Kiyosegawa) inherited the entity himself ca. 1930 and handed it over to Terukuni in 1953 already. However, they did not switch their kabu in the process, and so the entity's name changed to Araiso-beya for eight years. Kiyosegawa stayed as an affiliated oyakata right until his retirement and gave up the Isegahama name only then.

[Yubinhaad 11,590]

Araiso-oyakata (former Ozeki Wakashimazu) has reached mandatory retirement, and the press report that he will remain with the Kyokai as a sanyo.

[Kintamayama 44,637]

Ex-Yoshikaze (Nakamura Oyakata, Oguruma beya) is moving to Nishonoseki beya, taking Tomokaze and others with him. He will be a coach at Kisenosato’s heya. Oguruma Oyakata is slated to retire in April and at first the heya was slated to close after March, but there are some lodging problems in Osaka so it has been decided that this will happen after this basho. Ex-Takekaze (Oshiogawa Oyakata) who also belongs to Oguruma beya is planning to branch out on his own. Oguruma himself had said in the past that Oshiogawa beya and Nakamura beya will be established after he retires. I guess Nakamura decided otherwise..

Edited January 11, 2022 by Kintamayama

[Akinomaki 40,028]

Apparently Nakamura can't assemble enough money to establish a heya at the moment - I don't think he'll ever get the sum he wants in his lawsuit against his hometown. Obviously he doesn't want to be an oyakata under Takekaze, so the heya splits up immediately. But he might leave Nishonoseki-beya soon and still establish his own heya, this looks like just a temporary move.

Edited January 11, 2022 by Akinomaki

[Seiyashi 4,072]

This is the weirdest heya split ever. Is there some bad blood between Takekaze and Yoshikaze that the latter won't put up with being a coach in Oshiogawa-beya even temporarily, if he still hopes to open a new stable? Or is his own financial situation desperate enough that there's a chance he won't actually be able to branch out and will therefore be stuck, so he's using this opportunity to jump ship (which still implies some bad blood)?

That's on top of why this whole thing isn't just called a heya succession with a name change involved. I guess it's to allow Nakamura the option to jump if he wants, because otherwise splitting out from a heya to go to another heya is similarly unheard of.

[Raishu 207]

2 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

This is the weirdest heya split ever. Is there some bad blood between Takekaze and Yoshikaze that the latter won't put up with being a coach in Oshiogawa-beya even temporarily, if he still hopes to open a new stable? Or is his own financial situation desperate enough that there's a chance he won't actually be able to branch out and will therefore be stuck, so he's using this opportunity to jump ship (which still implies some bad blood)

Well, it's just an interpretation from my part, but you could see very reserved behaviour from both of them during Takekaze's danpatsushiki when Nakamura had his turn with the scissors.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b5Wzvmz3oxM&feature=youtu.be

While Oshiogawa had handshakes, shoulder taps and nice words with basically all of the attendees, well ... with Nakamura, there was only frozen air.

But as I said, pure speculation...

[Asashosakari 18,959]

2 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

That's on top of why this whole thing isn't just called a heya succession with a name change involved. I guess it's to allow Nakamura the option to jump if he wants, because otherwise splitting out from a heya to go to another heya is similarly unheard of.

I mean, they could have changed Oguruma to Nakamura and just have Oshiogawa branch out, if the goal was merely to separate the two. I can't help but think that it's not just Nakamura's own financial situation precluding running a heya here at this time (not even as direct successor to an existing one), but that Oguruma-beya's main supporters might be inclined to bolt with Oshiogawa, too.

Anyway...Tomokaze, eh? Kise might be getting his first sekitori in record time. 

Edited January 12, 2022 by Asashosakari

[Gurowake 4,011]

So Oguruma-beya will close after this basho, with everyone going to (the new) Nishonoseki-beya, but before that, or at the same time, Oshiogawa will branch out and take some rikishi with him.  The politics of the situation might be slightly different so how one interprets it might be unusual, but that's what's actually happening it seems.

[Akinomaki 40,028]

1 minute ago, Gurowake said:

So Oguruma-beya will close after this basho, with everyone going to (the new) Nishonoseki-beya, but before that, or at the same time, Oshiogawa will branch out and take some rikishi with him.  The politics of the situation might be slightly different so how one interprets it might be unusual, but that's what's actually happening it seems.

I'd rather say Oshiogawa will take (almost) everyone with him and Nakamura some

[Gurowake 4,011]

2 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

I'd rather say Oshiogawa will take (almost) everyone with him and Nakamura some

My point is that mechanically it looks like an Oshiogawa branch-out followed by the remainder of the heya being absorbed by Nishonoseki.  That the branch-out takes almost everyone might be rather unusual, but it doesn't change the mechanics.  The way it's being described as Nakamura taking some people with him to Nishonoseki might be the politics of it, but that's just what's happening to everyone that doesn't go with Oshiogawa in the branch-out.

Edited January 12, 2022 by Gurowake

[Asashosakari 18,959]

It honestly sounds like they just might be letting the rikishi quietly choose where they want to go. (Excepting those who were recruited as uchi-deshi, of course. Do we have a list for both Oshiogawa and Nakamura?) So I'm not sure it makes sense to expect the mover breakdown to be dictated by the political background of this split, i.e. ex-Takekaze being the driving force.

Some of the older guys may well decide to retire after Hatsu anyway.

[Yubinhaad 11,590]

Nikkan confirms the approaching relocation of Hanaregoma-beya - construction of the new building in Adachi-ku is scheduled to be completed in February, and is a five-minute walk from Rokucho Station on the Tsukuba Express line.

[Kintamayama 44,637]

Ex-Kyokutenhou has switched kabu and is reviving Oushima beya, 10 years after it closed. Current Oushima Oyakata (Ex-Kaiki) will assume the Tomozuna name. The switch will be recognized by the rijikai on the 27th. Ex-Kaiki will be 70 years old in June and will retire from the Kyokai, so that probably had something to do with this. It's actually a switch back the other way when in June 2017, Kyokutenhou who was Oushima back then took over Tomozuna-beya upon the retirement (mandatory 65, stayed on for the additional 5 years) of the then Tomozuna Oyakata, ex-Kaiki..

Edited January 27, 2022 by Kintamayama

[Seiyashi 4,072]

12 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Ex-Kyokutenhou has switched kabu and is reviving Oushima beya, 10 years after it closed. Current Oushima Oyakata (Ex-Kaiki) will assume the Tomozuna name. The switch will be recognized by the rijikai on the 27th. Ex-Ksiki will be 70 years old in June and will retire from the Kyokai, so that probably had something to do with this. It's actually a switch back the other way when in June 2017, Kyokutenhou who was Oushima back then took over Tomozuna-beya upon the retirement (mandatory 65, stayed on for the additional 5 years) of the then Tomozuna Oyakata, ex-Kaiki..

That just means that Tomozuna will be renamed Oshima, right? 

[Kintamayama 44,637]

Just now, Seiyashi said:

That just means that Tomozuna will be renamed Oshima, right? 

Yes, in two days.

[Gurowake 4,011]

Why did he switch in the first place if he was just going to switch back?  Did he just change his mind after 5 years which name he wanted?

[Seiyashi 4,072]

14 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

Why did he switch in the first place if he was just going to switch back?  Did he just change his mind after 5 years which name he wanted?

He switched probably to defer to ex-Kaiki, since it was his stable Kyokutenho was taking over as stablemaster. But he probably has a softer spot for Oshima because it was the stable he fought out of while active, so now that ex-Kaiki's retired, there's no need to use Tomozuna any more. 

[WAKATAKE 2,644]

28 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

Why did he switch in the first place if he was just going to switch back?  Did he just change his mind after 5 years which name he wanted?

This also happened with Chiganoura and Tokiwayama

[Asashosakari 18,959]

32 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

This also happened with Chiganoura and Tokiwayama

That was a bit different, I think, in that somebody - either ex-Masudayama himself or the Dewanoumi group as a whole - didn't appear willing to let the Chiganoura share become part of a different ichimon permanently. Back when the Chiganoura-beya succession happened, there was widespread confusion over whether it meant the new owner (ex-Takamisugi) moving to Dewanoumi, or the stable moving to Takanohana's bunch (the eventual outcome). And even in later years it was never quite clear which group ex-Masudayama should be counted to, despite his continued official affiliation to the Takanohana(and later Nishonoseki)-based stable.

This Tomozuna/Oshima thing should be much more benign in nature.

Edited January 25, 2022 by Asashosakari

[Asojima 2,873]

2 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

That just means that Tomozuna will be renamed Oshima, right? 

Oshima is currently an inactive heya.   From that standpoint, it is simply a name change.  There will be no inter-heya rikishi moves.