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[dingo 1,258]

1 hour ago, Morning said:

If Onosato gets another promotion, I'd expect Terunofuji to go for retirement. Which could be early next year.

Off topic, but I wonder if they'd wheel out Terunofuji for Onosato's potential tsuna run? It's not compulsory, but for the sake of continuity and so on. 

I was about to say that won't Terunofuji also have a "yokozuna stock" but then I remembered that was abolished together with Hakuho's case, if I remember correctly. So he'd still need one. 

[Akinomaki 40,278]

10 minutes ago, dingo said:

I was about to say that won't Terunofuji also have a "yokozuna stock" but then I remembered that was abolished together with Hakuho's case, if I remember correctly. So he'd still need one. 

Terunofuji as yokozuna can stay for 5 years without kabu, only the ichidai toshiyori special myoseki was abolished. He'd need a kabu to switch with Isegahama, if he wants to take over the heya. Else he has to wait with retirement till Asahifuji reaches age 65 and becomes consultant for 5 years - then he could get the kabu when Asahifuji has to leave at age 70.

[Koorifuu 941]

That's still in four months at best, there'd be no need to vacate the kabu right away.

[RabidJohn 1,757]

43 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

That's still in four months at best, there'd be no need to vacate the kabu right away.

I believe it'll be at least six-eight months, because hatsu yusho celebrations are likely the reason Onosato blotted his otherwise immaculate double-digit KK record.
He's now got yusho and ozeki promotion double celebrations to eat into his training.

Edited September 27, 2024 by RabidJohn

[Asashosakari 19,213]

For some reason the Kyokai's oyakata duties page still hasn't been updated with the three newly minted oyakata, while the simple members listing was already refreshed at least a week ago. I'm only mentioning that because, in addition to Takakeisho (with special iin taigu toshiyori positioning as customary for recently retired Y/O), Myogiryu and Aoiyama getting added, the update also changed the position of Onoe-oyakata (ex-Hamanoshima) in the list; by analogy to the duties list order it would appear that he has taken up a role in the jungyo department. He previously only held the default assignment to the guidance department that all stablemasters have.

I'm not entirely sure if anybody else has left the jungyo team in turn.

[Asashosakari 19,213]

On 03/10/2024 at 20:42, Asashosakari said:

For some reason the Kyokai's oyakata duties page still hasn't been updated with the three newly minted oyakata, while the simple members listing was already refreshed at least a week ago. I'm only mentioning that because, in addition to Takakeisho (with special iin taigu toshiyori positioning as customary for recently retired Y/O), Myogiryu and Aoiyama getting added, the update also changed the position of Onoe-oyakata (ex-Hamanoshima) in the list; by analogy to the duties list order it would appear that he has taken up a role in the jungyo department. He previously only held the default assignment to the guidance department that all stablemasters have.

I'm not entirely sure if anybody else has left the jungyo team in turn.

The update finally came in today, backdated all the way to September 24, Tuesday after senshuraku when Myogiryu and Aoiyama retired. The aforementioned addition of Onoe to the jungyo department is now confirmed.

Other belated news:

• Magaki (ex-Ishiura) is now also part of the jungyo group.
• Mihogaseki (ex-Tochisakae), already a member of the Fukuoka basho team, is now also listed as part of the Nagoya team. (I don't recall seeing anything like that before.) All three regional basho departments now have four regular members in addition to each respective department director.
• Minatogawa (ex-Takakeisho), iin taigu-ranked as expected, as well as Furiwake (ex-Myogiryu) and Iwatomo (ex-Aoiyama) have all been given a generic assignment to the guidance department plus membership in the social contributions group for now.

And I forgot to mention it earlier - in case there was any lingering doubt that ex-Hochiyama might have upgraded from borrower to owner in his switch to the Tatsutagawa share back in May, that possibility was eliminated by the toshiyorifying of Myogiryu and Aoiyama, who have both been added above him in the list. Tatsutagawa remains the most senior of six toshiyori on loan (down from seven after the recent departure of ex-Asahisho who had to vacate Furiwake).

And we might as well mention it here for posterity: Hidenoyama (ex-Kotoshogiku) branched off from Sadogatake-beya officially on October 19 (forum discussion, official notice); there are 45 heya now.

Edited October 24, 2024 by Asashosakari

[Tetsuba 32]

So Dekiyama and Kiriyama kabu are left hanging? It's curious as their use could have avoided the departure of 2 borrowers.

[themistyseas 240]

2 hours ago, Tetsuba said:

So Dekiyama and Kiriyama kabu are left hanging? It's curious as their use could have avoided the departure of 2 borrowers.

It's important to remember though that the real world is more complicated. If someone who is borrowing finds out or is told (or knew from the beginning) that the share is ticketed for e.g. Terunofuji or a 38 year old who can retire at any moment, and they need to seek alternative employment, then it's a bit unreasonable for that new employer or business venture to continue to postpone the hire repeatedly every two months in the event that the holder of their borrowed share doesn't retire. It's understandable that in a situation where the loanee can start their second career *now* that they would have to take that in lieu of trying to hang on another two months.

Often in a situation like this where the name hasn't been re-loaned, the incoming holder is already making intai plans as we've seen consistently in recent years (Kisenosato had loaned Araiso out for many years, but then it sat vacant for nine months before his actual retirement). Since many of these guys have families, if they're not going to be able to keep jumping onto a different name, they probably have to be looking for new work. We've also seen several surprise departures of loanees who we might have expected to secure a share (e.g. Toyonoshima), only for them to announce a career change when it was clear they didn't or wouldn't, even if they could have continued to borrow for a while. In a lot of ways it almost seems like for those who will never be long-term elders, the loan system at least allows a few guys a soft landing after they retire (especially if it's unexpected, ie for a guy dropping from the salaried ranks who doesn't live in the heya and won't make it back to Juryo), so that they can eventually find new work after the danpatsushiki. We're all just speculating as hobbyists but it's real life for these guys.

[Asashosakari 19,213]

11 hours ago, themistyseas said:

It's important to remember though that the real world is more complicated. (...)

And sometimes even developments may occur that just can't be planned for. I still strongly suspect that the Dekiyama kabu was originally freed up for Aoiyama to use, but then his heyamate ex-Kimurayama died unexpectedly a few months later and the Iwatomo share became available for him, too. With just a slightly different timeline where Kimurayama passes away earlier or Aoiyama's career falls apart half a year later, maybe one of the borrowers wouldn't have had to take the exit. That's life. 

[Asashosakari 19,213]

An unexpected Christmas present: The Kyokai site has added headshots and, more importantly, links to individual profiles to its oyakata listing, unfortunately only on the Japanese side. Even includes toshiyori name histories down to first-name changes, as seen here for Shikoroyama. And don't miss the added summaries of their rikishi careers further down on each profile page.

BTW, I'm not sure if it was ever explicitly mentioned on the forum: This addition comes (somewhat late) on the heels of similar profiles appearing for gyoji, yobidashi and tokoyama around July 2023. Only wakaimonogashira and sewanin left without profiles now.

[Akinomaki 40,278]

Terunofuji retired as of the 17th and has become Terunofuji-oyakata https://www.sumo.or.jp/IrohaKyokaiInformation/detail?id=681

[Raishu 208]

6 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Terunofuji retired as of the 17th and has become Terunofuji-oyakata https://www.sumo.or.jp/IrohaKyokaiInformation/detail?id=681

In a way, this supports the rumour that the currently vacated Kiriyama name has been promised/transfered to Takarafuji. Terunofuji would have picked up the name right away if he was in fact the owner.

If the plan is to succeed Isegahama in July, he will have roughly seven months from now on to score a share and swap with the shisho once he turns 65. Within his own ichimon the situation looks pretty grim reagrding the availabilty of a kabu, so he probably has to get it from somewhere else.

I can't remember the exact video, but "sumo tabloidist" Chris Gould once stated that Terunofuji and Isegahama are not on good terms and Tateyama is the preferred successor to running the stable in the future and the former Homarrefuji has already been doing the recruitment for quite some time. You decide for yourself what to make out of that.

 

Edited January 17 by Raishu

[Asashosakari 19,213]

2 hours ago, Raishu said:

I can't remember the exact video, but "sumo tabloidist" Chris Gould once stated that Terunofuji and Isegahama are not on good terms and Tateyama is the preferred successor to running the stable in the future and the former Homarrefuji has already been doing the recruitment for quite some time. You decide for yourself what to make out of that.

Yeah, that was a claim floated by a tabloid in late...I'm inclined to say late 2023, but it might honestly have been late 2022 already. (Time flies when you're having fun the yokozuna is absent all the time.) It's been relatively quiet on that front since then, except for generic "Terunofuji is struggling to find a permanent kabu" articles about half a year ago.

FWIW, some fans have taken the recent creation of the Isegahama-beya Youtube channel as evidence that Terunofuji will inherit the stable because his koenkai appears to be bankrolling the production, but I'd personally not jump to that conclusion. It's not like it's a major investment or something that couldn't be shifted to a future Terunofuji heya independent of Isegahama.

And yup, looks like Takarafuji = Kiriyama indeed. I wasn't really convinced before, but it's hard to interpret this week's developments in any other way. Although it's now even more puzzling why ex-Asahisho left the share last July to jump onto the ticking time bomb that was Furiwake... Was Takarafuji that close to considering retirement half a year ago?

Edited Friday at 15:50 by Asashosakari

[Yamanashi 3,825]

"Uneasy lies the head without a neck that bears the kabu."