Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted July 28, 2003 I've understood wins are equal as are the losses. I seriously doubt the banzuke makers ponder about such intangibles as it's a sure road to fuzzy banzukes and unacceptable subjectivity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dejimasama 0 Posted July 30, 2003 Zenjimoto said: OK, here's one: the NSK will pass over Toki, since everybody expects him to go 4-11 in Aki anyways, and instead promotes Takamisakari and Tosanoumi to Komusubi, with Toki at M1w behind Tochinonada!! (Neener, neener...) (Applauding...) (Bleh!) Cheers Zenjimoto This actually seems more likely to me than Toki getting Komusbi. I think they will make Toki work a little harder to get up there based on his past performances at M4 or higher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted July 30, 2003 (edited) Dejimasama said: Zenjimoto said: OK, here's one: Edited July 30, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted July 30, 2003 (edited) Quote This actually seems more likely to me than Toki getting Komusbi. I think they will make Toki work a little harder to get up there based on his past performances at M4 or higher. Won't happen.... He will be Komusubi. The only question is: who will be there with him? Edited July 30, 2003 by Zentoryu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naifuzan 1 Posted July 31, 2003 Quote although very few think Toki is going to get more than 6 wins next basho... Who thought Toki was going to get more than 6 wins LAST basho? :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted July 31, 2003 Naifuzan said: Quote although very few think Toki is going to get more than 6 wins next basho... Who thought Toki was going to get more than 6 wins LAST basho? :-) Excellent point! And with Maru, Kaio and Tochiazuma out, and not having to face Asashoryu, ... who knows... Sekiwake Toki? :-O B-) :-D Cheers Zenjimoto PS: kyujos mentioned above are pure speculation and have no relation to actual reality, other than probably at least one of these guys will pull out. Or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,664 Posted July 31, 2003 Zenjimoto said: Excellent point! And with Maru, Kaio and Tochiazuma out, and not having to face Asashoryu, ... who knows... Sekiwake Toki? :-O :-) :-D PS: kyujos mentioned above are pure speculation and have no relation to actual reality, other than probably at least one of these guys will pull out. Or not. Well, if Tochiazuma's the one, he will be a Sekiwake in November. B-) Whatever happened to the new kyujo/demotion rules for Ozeki, anyway? Seems pretty quiet on that front lately... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted August 1, 2003 I was re-reading this thread (yes, I'm bored), and wanted to confirm: there have not been three komosubi on the banzuke since 1952? Or earlier? Ever? What is the highest number of komosubi at the same time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted August 1, 2003 KomUsubi, please. I don't know why this "KomOsubi" is such a widely seen mistake... seems I have seen at least a dozen people on various forums use that non-existant term... :-) Cheers Zenjimoto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted August 1, 2003 (edited) Yoavoshimaru said: I was re-reading this thread (yes, I'm bored), and wanted to confirm: there have not been three komosubi on the banzuke since 1952? Or earlier? Ever? What is the highest number of komosubi at the same time? No, what I meant was that no Sekiwake with a 6-9 have managed to stay as Komusubi the following basho since 1952. There have been three or more Komusubi many times, the last I think 2001 or so (although I won Edited August 1, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted August 1, 2003 Ahh, yes, sorry... Komusubi komusubi komusubi... :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted August 1, 2003 Yubiquitoyama said: There has at most been 4 Komusubi at one time, in the middle of the 70s. Aki Basho 1974. Maybe you mix the four komusubi with the five sekiwake from Nagoya Basho 1972. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted August 1, 2003 Kotoseiya Yuichi said: Yubiquitoyama said: There has at most been 4 Komusubi at one time, in the middle of the 70s. Aki Basho 1974. Maybe you mix the four komusubi with the five sekiwake from Nagoya Basho 1972. Well, that might actually be it... I tend not to really remember the exact bashos though rather than the approximate time, and since it was some time I checked those facts and both were in the seventies... :-) Hm. Lame excuses B-) (Oops! ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QttP 0 Posted August 2, 2003 Yubiquitoyama said: PS. I spent years writing Sandamne instead of Sandanme... (Blushing...) And I have seen it spelled "sandamme" in some places. What's the proper way? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,530 Posted August 2, 2003 Sandanme. San dan- third rank. Me- eyes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QttP 0 Posted August 2, 2003 Kintamayama said: Sandanme. San dan- third rank. Me- eyes. Thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Watashi Posted August 2, 2003 QttP said: Yubiquitoyama said: PS. I spent years writing Sandamne instead of Sandanme... (Blushing...) And I have seen it spelled "sandamme" in some places. What's the proper way? "sandamme" is not really wrong, because the "n" is spoken like "m" in cases where it comes directly before "b", "p" or "m". E.g. the Japanese word for newspaper is written "shinbun", but it's pronounced "shimbun", the referee is written "shinpan", but pronounced "shimpan" and "sandanme" is really pronounced "sandamme". And so some transcription systems don't follow the original writing, but the pronunciation. At least, that's what I've learned in my Japanese class. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted August 2, 2003 Watashi said: QttP said: Yubiquitoyama said: PS. I spent years writing Sandamne instead of Sandanme... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted August 2, 2003 Yubiquitoyama said: It seems that while the floor judges are almost always transcribed as "shimpan", the third rank from the bottom normally is not transcribed by the same rules, but as "sandanme". Yes, this n-m switch, which seems to be arbitrary some times to say the least, has been one of the great mysteries surrounding the Japanese language ever since I first dabbled in it years and years ago... maybe Amanogawa can enlighten us on that subject? Yuupii?? (Blushing...) Cheers Zenjimoto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Takanorappa 97 Posted August 6, 2003 Yubiquitoyama said: The Kyokai have had a tendency to see slightly different on that 1-win difference than the one between 8-7 and 9-6 rikishi, and since Tosanoumi is not as low on the banzuke as M06 and lower (where the Kyokai seem to start valuing wins less than higher up), I Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kashunowaka 300 Posted August 6, 2003 Kotoseiya Yuichi said: Yubiquitoyama said: There has at most been 4 Komusubi at one time, in the middle of the 70s. Aki Basho 1974. Don't forget Haru 1999. An interesting fact is that all four komusubi made their kachikoshi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QttP 0 Posted August 6, 2003 (edited) Kashunowaka said: An interesting fact is that all four komusubi made their kachikoshi. Interesting, but quite understandable considering the fact that out of the 8 yokozuna/ozeki/sekiwake only 3 finished the basho, one of them Kotonowaka with 6-9. Edit: Do you realize that we had a Musashimaru v. Takanonami senshuraku yusho decider in that tournament? For someone like me, who has only started following sumo recently, and missed Takanonami's glory years, it seems almost out of this world... Edited August 6, 2003 by QttP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted August 6, 2003 At his peak, Takanonami's technical prowress and agility were excellent. (Punk rocker...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
