Sumo Reference Updates

[Yamasanzan 93]

I would like to suggest adding graphs to the database. Especially on the torikumi page it would be nice to be able to see both rikishi in the same graph for easy comparison.

I did some experimentation here using CanvasJS and trying to cram in as much info as possible (ex. graph changing with age).

Some arbitrary rikishi plotted (top right corner zoomed in):

[Asashosakari 19,357]

Some kind of glitch related to guys who had 0 wins or 0 losses in Natsu, they don't show up in queries at the moment.

Edit: It affects the Haru results as well.

This has again cropped up with the Nagoya results.

[Asashosakari 19,357]

On another note, just seen this on Wikipedia:

The English name of university had been Kinki University since its establishment in 1949 to refer to "the surrounding area of the capital city (Kyoto)". On May 20, 2014, the university announced that its English name would officially change to Kindai (近大?), to avoid the implications of the word "kinky", as the university is planning to globalize with the establishment of a new Foreign Language school. The name change took effect on April 1, 2016.

Should this name change be reflected on the rikishi profiles of Kinki/Kindai alums?

Will be interesting to see how the Kyokai handles it, they'll likely have to make reference to the university in the banzuke topics for Takarafuji's upcoming sekiwake debut.

[Bumpkin 438]

Why does the database contain a banzuke for the cancelled Jan 1932 basho but not for the cancelled March 2011 basho or for any cancelled bashos from 1945-1949?

[Gurowake 4,062]

23 minutes ago, Bumpkin said:

Why does the database contain a banzuke for the cancelled Jan 1932 basho but not for the cancelled March 2011 basho or for any cancelled bashos from 1945-1949?

In each of the other cases, there was not a different banzuke made for the next tournament that was held.  In 1932 they issued a new banzuke for the next tournament that was actually held.  In 2011, they just kept the old one.  For the others I assume the same is true.  The database has every banzuke made (that's historically available at least), and the Jan 1932 tournament had a different banzuke than the February 1932 tournament.

Edited August 22, 2016 by Gurowake

[Asashosakari 19,357]

47 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

The database has every banzuke made (that's historically available at least), and the Jan 1932 tournament had a different banzuke than the February 1932 tournament.

More specifically, every banzuke published. As far as I know the other cancelled tournaments just had none made public, so even if there was a draft banzuke that was different from the official one for the next basho, we wouldn't know about it.

[Bumpkin 438]

Gurowake and Asashosakari, Thank you for your responses.  Also, do you know why the January tournament was called the Haru Basho prior to 1953? Haru means "spring" in Japanese and January isn't spring, or is it?

 

Edited September 6, 2016 by Bumpkin

[rhyen 1,842]

Has anyone updated the kabu for Kokonoe and Sanoyama?

[Bumpkin 438]

I did a rikishi search with a high rank of Yokozuna. It had 58 lines not 71. The first three Yokozuna were listed. The 4th thru 15th Yokozuna were listed with a high rank of Ozeki. The 21st Yokozuna Wakashima was listed with a high rank of Maegashira. Please explain. Thank you.

[Sumozumo 240]

On 8/22/2016 at 14:15, Bumpkin said:

Gurowake and Asashosakari, Thank you for your responses. I am more interested in cancelled tournaments than in missing banzukes. Do you know which tournaments, if any, were cancelled between 1945 and 1948?  Also, do you know why the January tournament was called the Haru Basho prior to 1953? Haru means "spring" in Japanese and January isn't spring, or is it?

 

I'm not either of them but in the old style Japanese calendar months 1-3 are haru, 4-6 natsu, 7-9 aki, 10-12 fuyu. Also, these are 'popular name's used by newspapers and NHK, officially the basho are just called first month basho, third month basho, etc.

 

I would say the Gregorian calendar is a bit more messed up since we call the 12th month the tenth ...

[Akinomaki 40,551]

13 hours ago, Bumpkin said:

The first three Yokozuna were listed. The 4th thru 15th Yokozuna were listed with a high rank of Ozeki.

I found that odd some time ago as well.

On 31.7.2013 at 11:39, Akinomaki said:

The yokozuna rank was first on the banzuke in 1890, but the individual pages of the yokozuna before that have on the top of the page under “Highest Rank” “Yokozuna”, the first 3 (those without records), e.g. Akashi, are also listed with that rank in the rikishi name search page – it should be possible to have that for the others, too.

but it is strictly according to banzuke in the database:

On 3.4.2016 at 16:28, Akinomaki said:

Sumo reference as rikishi from before the start of the regular banzuke in 1757 lists only the 3 first yokozuna, and from among the yokozuna before the appearance of the rank of yokozuna on the banzuke in 1890, only those 3 are shown as yokozuna in a search result: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?shikona=Akashi
the others only as ozeki, like on the banzuke.

 

[Bumpkin 438]

Sumozumo and Akinoumi. Thank you for your responses. Bumpkin. 

Edited September 6, 2016 by Bumpkin

[Vulch 3]

8 hours ago, Sumozumo said:

I would say the Gregorian calendar is a bit more messed up since we call the 12th month the tenth ...

That's just an artifact of the New Year no longer starting in March.

[Bumpkin 438]

On 8/24/2016 at 16:23, Vulch said:

That's just an artifact of the New Year no longer starting in March.

Didn't the Julian calendar originally have only ten months? January-June and September-December.

 

On 8/24/2016 at 07:55, Sumozumo said:

I'm not either of them but in the old style Japanese calendar months 1-3 are haru, 4-6 natsu, 7-9 aki, 10-12 fuyu. Also, these are 'popular name's used by newspapers and NHK, officially the basho are just called first month basho, third month basho, etc.

 

I would say the Gregorian calendar is a bit more messed up since we call the 12th month the tenth ...

According to wikipedia. Spring begins on February 5th. Summer on May 7th. Autumn on August 9th. Winter on November 8th.

Edited September 6, 2016 by Bumpkin

[Gurowake 4,062]

3 hours ago, Bumpkin said:

Didn't the Julian calendar originally have only ten months? January-June and September-December.

The Roman Calendar before the Caesar-sponsored reformation of it into the Julian Calendar had no official months for the middle of the winter (January and February), and that's part of the reason the new year started in March back then and the numbering of the later months is off.

3 hours ago, Bumpkin said:

According to wikipedia. Spring begins on February 5th. Summer on May 7th. Autumn on August 9th. Winter on November 8th.

It's more accurate to say that 春 starts on  2月5日, but Spring starts March 20th (or whenever).  The Japanese seasons are aligned so the middle of each of them is at an equinox or solstice, while the western seasons are aligned to start and end at those dates.  In reality (and by that I mean Michigan, not knowing much about how the seasons feel elsewhere), the season breaks generally feel as though they come somewhere in the middle of the two dates, which is inconvenient for those who want a solar-aligned calendar.

[Bumpkin 438]

Thank you Gurowake for your replies. It's hard to determine exactly when one season ends and another begins. For what it's worth, I like the old Japanese method. Bumpkin.

[Asashosakari 19,357]

1 hour ago, Gurowake said:

In reality (and by that I mean Michigan, not knowing much about how the seasons feel elsewhere), the season breaks generally feel as though they come somewhere in the middle of the two dates, which is inconvenient for those who want a solar-aligned calendar.

FWIW, your feeling matches the meteorological definition of the seasons.

[kedevash 43]

I send 2 or 3 mails but never got answer so i post here.

What do you think if sumo reference add the search by real name for rikishi. To find past amateur or university guys it will be easier.

And second i can help if needed to actualise the height and weight of the rikishi. It has stop since a while.

[Vulch 3]

On 06 September 2016 at 00:53, Bumpkin said:

Didn't the Julian calendar originally have only ten months? January-June and September-December

No, Julius and Augustus renamed Quintilis and Sextilis. Sextilis also grabbed a couple of extra days to make it the same length as the new July. January and February had been dropped into the blank winter bit around 700BC.

 

[Yubinhaad 11,701]

Miyakojima was absent for his bout with Hokutoyu today; the database does see the bout but it hasn't quite registered as a result somehow, probably an effect of the changes to the Kyokai site.

And since I've brought up the thread, a minor correction is needed on the 1965 Kyushu banzuke, where the top Jonokuchi rank is shown as Jk0 instead of Jk1.

[Asashosakari 19,357]

14 hours ago, Yubinhaad said:

Miyakojima was absent for his bout with Hokutoyu today; the database does see the bout but it hasn't quite registered as a result somehow, probably an effect of the changes to the Kyokai site.

The two fusen bouts on Day 4 have the same issue. I wonder if it's related to another issue - the yasumi counter has stopped incrementing for absent rikishi after Day 2.

I wonder if something in the Kyokai's site templates changed when they re-capitalized the romaji shikona? (I don't think the DB grabs from the English pages, but it's conceivable that other site changes were introduced at the same time.)

[Akinomaki 40,551]

7 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

14 hours ago, Yubinhaad said:

Miyakojima was absent for his bout with Hokutoyu today; the database does see the bout but it hasn't quite registered as a result somehow, probably an effect of the changes to the Kyokai site.

The two fusen bouts on Day 4 have the same issue. I wonder if it's related to another issue - the yasumi counter has stopped incrementing for absent rikishi after Day 2

This shows in the text-only results or rather does not show: on the standard torikumi page shown as fusen has a blank entry in the text-only page (I noticed it with the first sekitori fusen).

M15e    Tokushoryu (2-2)                        M11w    Homarefuji (0-4)

M15e Tokushoryu 2-2 (1-2)

fusen 7-5

M11w Homarefuji 0-4 (0-3)

[Jakusotsu 5,981]

That's the strange thing about it - the torikumi shows the correct records, but in the overall results Tokushoryu is still at 1-2 and Homarefuji at 0-3 (banzuke page, for instance).

[Asashosakari 19,357]

2 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

That's the strange thing about it - the torikumi shows the correct records, but in the overall results Tokushoryu is still at 1-2 and Homarefuji at 0-3 (banzuke page, for instance).

That's generally been the case that only the total records have lagged behind. But it's the first time that it's specifically affecting the fusen bouts, rather than random ones.

[shumitto 418]

I've just realized that when I've finished watching a bout, the next one starts playing automatically. I haven't use the DB lately for videos so I have no idea when this feature was implemented, but thank you, it is very handy.