Sumo Reference Updates

[Gurowake 4,099]

57 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

it was meant to be read Otachi, but he ended up going by Odachi

Is there ever a case of "rendaku optional"?  Like, I know in French liaison has some places where it's optional and different people have different styles that are seen as acceptable.  I personally don't care how you pronounce my last name because the way my family pronounces it is definitely "wrong" going back to the original Polish, so if you have some pronunciation that's justifiable, I don't care.

[Naganoyama 5,945]

9 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

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FWIW, my very old (2007) edition of the all-time makuuchi rikishi directory also furiganas his shikona as おおだち Odachi, but it might be good to get verification from somebody with a more recent edition, just to make sure it wasn't revised as an error eventually.

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My 2016 edition also has おおだち Odachi.

[Naganoyama 5,945]

The following birthdays are incorrect:

Toyonoshima - should be June 26, 1983

Kyokuhikari - should be July 6, 1976

Terunosato - should be January 17, 1978

 

[Asashosakari 19,610]

Not really a bug report at this stage, more a note to self and maybe others for further investigation: Today I stumbled upon a match in 1944 that ostensibly had Takasago-beya rikishi on both sides of the dohyo, which made me check if there are further cases in the DB. There are, quite a few in fact. I would guess that most (all?) of them are a matter of incomplete heya histories that obscure that two rikishi actually weren't in the same heya at the time of their torikumi, but that's going to require research into each case. For now, all heya for which the bout query turned up results other than playoff matches:

Dewanoumi - various sekitori matches from 1909 to 1940, then two lower division matches in 1966 and 1968 (with a common rikishi)
Futagoyama - three matches in 1982 with a common rikishi, two more in 1992 and 1994
Irumagawa - one match in 1913
Isegahama - one match in 1992
Isenoumi - three matches in 1968 and 1970, all with a common rikishi (Nagasawa = Kiyozakura)
Kitanoumi - one match in 1989
Kokonoe - one match in 1970, another in 1994
Kumegawa - one match in 1937
Minezaki - three matches in 1910 to 1912 with a common rikishi
Takasago - 15 matches with a common rikishi from 1925 to 1934, 8 more with another one from 1944 to 1947
Tatsunami - 14 matches from 1924 to 1928, all with a single common rikishi

Not sure what's going to be easier to investigate, the questionable sekitori matches of old or the more recent cases in the lower divisions.

(And last not least, one case that we know to be true and real: Asahiyama - a maezumo match in 2019, noted as a screw-up as it happened.)

Edited February 26 by Asashosakari

[Asashosakari 19,610]

An actual bug report: I believe that Wakanoumi's 1944.11 record is wrong. That tournament was one of three in which, for war-related reasons, only the sekitori matches were held in public while the makushita-and-under bouts took place behind closed doors and at an earlier time. That meant that the practice of makushita rikishi filling in for holes in the juryo schedule couldn't take place as usual, and such bouts ended up being extra performances for them. Can be seen in the results of the previous tournament, 1944.05, which had three such matches and the makushita wrestlers involved in them were the only ones to finish with 6-bout records:

Result	East	Rank	West	Result
3-3	Wakanoumi	Ms1	Mihamanada	4-2 ↑
3-3	Kuninobori	Ms2	Maenoyama	3-2 ↑
2-3	Honamiyama	Ms3	Kagamisato	3-2
3-2	Towadanishiki	Ms4	Sadamisaki	2-3
1-4	Aranami	Ms5	Futagoiwa	4-1 ↑

Now, for 1944.11 there were six matches with Wakanoumi involved in two of them, and while the other four rikishi again have 6-bout records, his score is currently listed as 4-1:

4-1 ↑	Wakanoumi	Ms1	Kagamisato	0-0-5
2-4	Kuninobori	Ms2	Towadanishiki	0-0-5
0-0-5 ↓	Kokura#	Ms3	Chikuozan	4-2 ↑
2-3	Ryugasaki	Ms4	Gotenyama#	2-3
4-2 ↑	Akisegawa	Ms5	Tochinoyama	1-4
1-1-3	Jinryu	Ms6	Honamiyama	4-1 ↑
3-3 ↑	Motoyoshi	Ms7	Otarunada	1-4

The Gans hoshitori website does have him at 5-2, FWIW.

[Asashosakari 19,610]

For Seihakuho his basho in maezumo is not marked as a new division high (unlike every other foreigner).

[Doitsuyama 1,192]

On 26/02/2025 at 19:23, Asashosakari said:

Not really a bug report at this stage, more a note to self and maybe others for further investigation: Today I stumbled upon a match in 1944 that ostensibly had Takasago-beya rikishi on both sides of the dohyo, which made me check if there are further cases in the DB. There are, quite a few in fact. I would guess that most (all?) of them are a matter of incomplete heya histories that obscure that two rikishi actually weren't in the same heya at the time of their torikumi, but that's going to require research into each case. For now, all heya for which the bout query turned up results other than playoff matches:

Dewanoumi - various sekitori matches from 1909 to 1940, then two lower division matches in 1966 and 1968 (with a common rikishi)
Futagoyama - three matches in 1982 with a common rikishi, two more in 1992 and 1994
Irumagawa - one match in 1913
Isegahama - one match in 1992
Isenoumi - three matches in 1968 and 1970, all with a common rikishi (Nagasawa = Kiyozakura)
Kitanoumi - one match in 1989
Kokonoe - one match in 1970, another in 1994
Kumegawa - one match in 1937
Minezaki - three matches in 1910 to 1912 with a common rikishi
Takasago - 15 matches with a common rikishi from 1925 to 1934, 8 more with another one from 1944 to 1947
Tatsunami - 14 matches from 1924 to 1928, all with a single common rikishi

Not sure what's going to be easier to investigate, the questionable sekitori matches of old or the more recent cases in the lower divisions.

(And last not least, one case that we know to be true and real: Asahiyama - a maezumo match in 2019, noted as a screw-up as it happened.)

I looked at all these cases and could clear up most of them, for rikishi who reached makuuchi the japanese wikipedia has a heya history, but sometimes with unclear time of the change - here the kabu history in sumo reference often was very helpful, leaving only a few debatable cases where I assumed the time of the heya change. Some lower division cases I could solve because they were obviously part of a bigger heya move and it's clear from the shikona convention which of the two involved rikishi moved. There still are some cases left where I have no clue, four with a single bout (Isegahama, Kitanoumi, Kokonoe and Kumegawa), the remaining case in Dewanoumi with two bouts and the Isenoumi case with one common rikishi in 3 bouts.

Edited March 3 by Doitsuyama

[Ripe 73]

On the List of Ozeki, Kotozakura is still listed as Kotonowaka... probably due to him fighting in 1st basho as Ozeki under that name and only changing it later (unlike most others who changed the name when becoming Ozeki).

[Jejima 1,413]

https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_opp.aspx?r=12352&r2=12840https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_opp.aspx?r=12352&r2=12840

This has the record as 2-1, but only two bouts shown.

[Tamanaogijima 765]

On 26/01/2025 at 18:46, Tamanaogijima said:

Edit: After a quick look into it it seems that everything from Hidenoyama branchout on is missing. The last change before that was Aoiyama->Iwatomo, which is in the list.

And just six weeks later the changes (branchout of Hidenoyama/Kotoshogiku and start-of-oyakata-life of Terunofuji) are finally uploaded. The last half year was so uneventful in terms of kabu babu that I had simply forgotten it again...

Edited March 9 by Tamanaogijima

[Asashosakari 19,610]

29 minutes ago, Reonito said:

Ms27e Toseiryu 2-0

hatakikomi 1-0

Ms28e Oshoryu 1-1

This seems to be a mistake in sumodb. I noticed it because Oshoryu fights Matsui tomorrow in the undefeated bracket. I rewatched the day 4 bout to make sure and Oshoryu won.

 

[Bunbukuchagama 770]

SumoDB continues to show Oshoryu as having a perfect 5-0 record on the Torikumi page; however, his  record is displayed as 4-1 everywhere else:

Day 1 tsukiotoshi Ms27w Yuma 0-1 (2-3) 1-0   Day 4 hatakikomi Ms27e Toseiryu 2-0 (3-2) 0-1   Day 6 hatakikomi Ms25e Matsui 2-1 (2-3) 1-0   Day 7 oshidashi Ms23e Hananoumi 3-1 (4-1) 1-0   Day 9 hatakikomi Ms30w Enho 4-1 1-0   Day 11     Ms6w Akua 5-0 0-0

[Bunbukuchagama 770]

On 18/03/2025 at 05:21, Bunbukuchagama said:

SumoDB continues to show Oshoryu as having a perfect 5-0 record on the Torikumi page; however, his  record is displayed as 4-1 everywhere else:

Day 1 tsukiotoshi Ms27w Yuma 0-1 (2-3) 1-0   Day 4 hatakikomi Ms27e Toseiryu 2-0 (3-2) 0-1   Day 6 hatakikomi Ms25e Matsui 2-1 (2-3) 1-0   Day 7 oshidashi Ms23e Hananoumi 3-1 (4-1) 1-0   Day 9 hatakikomi Ms30w Enho 4-1 1-0   Day 11     Ms6w Akua 5-0 0-0

The result of Oshoryu - Toseiryu bout is still not fixed.

Edited March 21 by Bunbukuchagama

[Asashosakari 19,610]

MsTd Nomura in 1974.03 has a wrong interim record after (and/or before) his sixth match; his score goes from 3-2 to 4-2 on a loss. Makes that match show up as a bogus result on a "4 wins before the bout vs 3 wins before the bout" query.

[Asashosakari 19,610]

On 25/01/2021 at 23:13, Asashosakari said:

After digging deep into archive.org's copies of old SML posts, it looks like the Kyushu 1996 makuuchi playoff has the East-West assignments wrong for two of the four matches in the 5-way playoff.
 

Official information from the original(?) 1990s era NSK site: https://web.archive.org/web/20010118182500/http://www.wnn.or.jp/wnn-t/relay/96_11/15/yusho_e.html

Supported also by this contemporary account of an SML member who watched it live.
 

Matches 1 and 3 are currently listed the other (wrong) way around on the DB. The correct order makes a lot more sense in that it would be inconceivable that Musashimaru fought his two tomoe-sen matches from different sides, as the DB currently has it.

(Stewart Nelson, if you're still out there, many thanks for including that Kyokai site URL in this SML post - I think it's the only reason archive.org managed to pick it up at some point, no playoff pages from other tournament seem to be there.)

I just came across this again. Further evidence on video that matches 1 and 3 should have their sides reversed:

 

[Yubinhaad 11,748]

It was announced earlier that the kimarite in Kirishima's Day 13 win has been corrected, from uwatenage to shitatenage. The Kyokai site already shows this, but I don't know if Sumo Reference would automatically catch it so I thought it best to mention it.

[Oskanohana 293]

37 minutes ago, Yubinhaad said:

It was announced earlier that the kimarite in Kirishima's Day 13 win has been corrected, from uwatenage to shitatenage. The Kyokai site already shows this, but I don't know if Sumo Reference would automatically catch it so I thought it best to mention it.

Are you telling me that the kyokai recognized a mistake they made and corrected it? Another sign of the apocalypse, might as well pop the champagne to celebrate the Takayusho then.

[Asashosakari 19,610]

0-win/0-loss fix for the Haru results, please.