philafuji 1 Posted January 11, 2008 HenryK,My view is that her job in the YDC is to provide analysis and comments for the active yokozunas. And, again in my view, there is nothing wrong with any action, if in the end it leads to a motivated and strong performance, combined with immaculate behavior off the dohyo. I, personally, believe that Asashoryu did much harm when he acted like a small child with hurt feelings, and when he ran crying home, making fools out of the people who gave him his punishment, but, above all making fun of himself as an active Yokozuna. And maybe he didn't do much bad since he came back, but, IMO, he didn't do much good either. So therefore I fully support Uchiadte in her attempts to "push him hard" - only then we can see how man is he indeed. But, anyway, the basho is near - we will see it soon... NO man, "Ms" Uchidate is not "pushing him hard" like anybody who cares about sumo. Her comment made her look like blinded enough by her hatred of Asa. As blinded, she even does nots see that there are 2 active Yokozuna in Sumo. It is almost insult to Sumo itself. Maybe She has done an "awful lot for collegiate sumo". I think she should be hanging around in collegiate sumo, not around Asashoryu who has done lot more for sumo. As you all know well, thanks to Asashoryu ( to Mongolians in general) Sumo is no longer only for FATMEN which is image created by some. Stereotype of sumo "bigger is better" is broken by speedy techniques of some Mongolian wrestlers. Now even some Japanese wrestlers (like Goeido) are becaming like Asashoryu in its wrestling style. Introducing one little technique, one more speedy way of winning to Sumo is much better contribution than scolding "jaw" contribution of "Ms" Uchidate Very well said IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,340 Posted January 11, 2008 She has gone much further overboard with her actions against him. It is now her turn to apologize over and over and over again for her actions. What actions? All she's done is talk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaiguma 0 Posted January 11, 2008 ...Asashoryu who has done lot more for sumo. As you all know well, thanks to Asashoryu ( to Mongolians in general) Sumo is no longer only for FATMEN which is image created by some. Stereotype of sumo "bigger is better" is broken by speedy techniques of some Mongolian wrestlers. Now even some Japanese wrestlers (like Goeido) are becaming like Asashoryu in its wrestling style. Introducing one little technique, one more speedy way of winning to Sumo is much better contribution than scolding "jaw" contribution of "Ms" Uchidate Nitpick: Not Asa nor even Ama, Hakuba, and Hoshihikari have introduced new techniques or established a new era of lightweight technical rikishi. It's a revival to be certain, but they are not reinventing the wheel. Otherwise, you have a good point. Asashoryu could have had a lot to do with more lower rankers deciding to forego extra pounds for speed, and see where it will lead them. I'm sure his style has been inspirational to anyone under 140 kg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philafuji 1 Posted January 11, 2008 She has gone much further overboard with her actions against him. It is now her turn to apologize over and over and over again for her actions. What actions? All she's done is talk. In my book talking is an action. Maybe not in your book. Smugness is also an action in my book. I stand by what I posted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj 0 Posted January 11, 2008 Nitpick: Not Asa nor even Ama, Hakuba, and Hoshihikari have introduced new techniques or established a new era of lightweight technical rikishi. It's a revival to be certain, but they are not reinventing the wheel. That question ( of introduction of new techniques or it was just revival of old techniques ) should be investigated throughly by sumo historian. But I don't think Mongolians can do any REVIVAL of old sumo technique in short period of time after entering sumo first time. I believe Kyokushuzan and many others survived Sumo by using Mongolian wrestling techniques in addition to traditional sumo training and technique. What was the nickname for Shuzan- Department store of trickS, right? I take it as Japanese recognition of his introduction new techniques to Sumo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryK 38 Posted January 11, 2008 HenryK,My view is that her job in the YDC is to provide analysis and comments for the active yokozunas. If you think this is what Uchidate is doing yours is an extremely sympathetic assessment of Ms. Uchidate's activities that I respect but, frankly, cannot share. Calling Asashoryu "retired" over and over again and hence "not worthy of cosideration" doesn't seem related to do "providing comment and analysis". I, personally, believe that Asashoryu did much harm when he acted like a small child with hurt feelings, and when he ran crying home, making fools out of the people who gave him his punishment, but, above all making fun of himself as an active Yokozuna. And maybe he didn't do much bad since he came back, but, IMO, he didn't do much good either. In my opinion the soap opera and its aftermath has triggered a revival of interest in ozumo that would have been unthinkable half a year ago. Just look at the attendance at the December jungyo. With this I do not want to imply of course that the NSK and Asashoryu (or other rikishi) should conspire to create more soap operas. But the episode seems to suggest that this eccentric and flamboyant Yokozuna--love him or hate him--carries considerable value for the sport. But, anyway, the basho is near - we will see it soon... That's right. I'm curious how Asashoryu will settle in, and I'm curious how the lady will react to another Asashoryu basho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sashohitowa 6 Posted January 12, 2008 HenryK,My view is that her job in the YDC is to provide analysis and comments for the active yokozunas. If you think this is what Uchidate is doing yours is an extremely sympathetic assessment of Ms. Uchidate's activities that I respect but, frankly, cannot share. Calling Asashoryu "retired" over and over again and hence "not worthy of consideration" doesn't seem related to do "providing comment and analysis". Yes, this opinion of hers is nothing but a result of all recent (and maybe not so recent) Asashoryu's actions. And, obviously, this opinion is quite firm. And, even more obviously, she quite eager of expressing it. Is it bad? Like I said above, I think it is not. I can agree with some opinions that it might be not quite polite to show up in someone's home without even a notice, but excluding this, all her "sin" is that she is "pro" Asashoryu's inti. If you ask me, the bigger problem is in the fact that she loudly expresses personal opinion, which is not shared (so far) by the majority of YDC. At the moment when most of the members of the committee come to her mind and "It is time for Asashoryu to go" becomes their official position, then there will be much less place for discussions. And there will not be much sense of making fun out of the situation. I was thinking not to drill any further into this, as I am realizing that my thought neither contribute to the current topic (the Soken), nor give something brand new into THE topic (that one that recently all the other topics inevitably flow into), so I am out of this. Whoever got my point - thanks a lot. (I am not worthy...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryK 38 Posted January 12, 2008 HenryK,My view is that her job in the YDC is to provide analysis and comments for the active yokozunas. If you think this is what Uchidate is doing yours is an extremely sympathetic assessment of Ms. Uchidate's activities that I respect but, frankly, cannot share. Calling Asashoryu "retired" over and over again and hence "not worthy of consideration" doesn't seem related to do "providing comment and analysis". Yes, this opinion of hers is nothing but a result of all recent (and maybe not so recent) Asashoryu's actions. And, obviously, this opinion is quite firm. And, even more obviously, she quite eager of expressing it. Is it bad? Saying Asashoryu is retired is not an opinion -- it's a factually wrong statement. And making knowingly factually wrong statements times and again is bad when you are supposed to provide "comment and analysis". Hence, no, unfortunately I am not getting your point. Cheers, HK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sasanishiki 57 Posted January 13, 2008 I believe Kyokushuzan and many others survived Sumo by using Mongolian wrestling techniques in addition to traditional sumo training and technique. What was the nickname for Shuzan- Department store of trickS, right? I take it as Japanese recognition of his introduction new techniques to Sumo I agree that some of the Mongolian rikishi have brought with them techniques that are used in Mongolian wrestling. From memory there has been talk before about how a couple of the techniques used have not been seen in a number of years, or that it was difficult to classify them into the current list of techniques in sumo (82, is it). However, the nickname "waza no depaato", department store of techniques, has been applied to quite a few rikishi of smaller stature who use a variety of techniques to win purely because they are smaller than the other opponents and so have to be more versatile to win. From memory and only in the recent past, Mainoumi and Wakanohana III were given that nickname because of the variety of winning techniques they used throughout their careers. Therefore, the nickname itself does not acknowledge that shuzan has introduced new techniques to sumo (although he probably has). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
