Mark.Buckton 68 Posted November 6, 2014 and peppered with gaffes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orion 431 Posted November 6, 2014 First Sumo article I have ever seen in ESPN. Its quite long and a bit outdated. Seems well made but like most Grantland articles he wanders a bit away from the core subject. http://grantland.com/features/sumo-wrestling-tokyo-japan-hakuho-yukio-mishima-novelist-seppuku/ Surprisingly few mistakes, considering he's come in from the outside. He seems to have done his homework from better sources than most. But the picture that remains in the mind is of the yobidashi, up there bout after bout, sweeping the outside of the ring apparently nonstop. I think that's the main picture that will remain in the mind of the first-time reader -- even though it's false. How long did the writer stay sitting watching? Up in the top divisions, from juryo, the yobidashi, like the gyoji, take only two bouts; and once the bout is on, all the yobidashi are down below the dohyo. I ran out of fingers counting other mistakes -- but as I say, far fewer than most in this kind of article, and the writing is pretty good. Orion 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fukurou 534 Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) First Sumo article I have ever seen in ESPN. Its quite long and a bit outdated. Seems well made but like most Grantland articles he wanders a bit away from the core subject. http://grantland.com/features/sumo-wrestling-tokyo-japan-hakuho-yukio-mishima-novelist-seppuku/ It's not really an article entirely about sumo either, nor is it technically from ESPN - it's from ESPN's Grandland imprint, which they operate as an entirely different operation for feature pieces (Bill Simmons is in charge of Grantland). They write about anything - some of the stuff on Grantland is quite good, but don't go there expecting 100% sports content. As for the article, it's titled "The Sea of Crises"; written by Brian Phillips. Ad text on the title page says: A sumo wrestling tournament. A failed coup ending in seppuku. A search for a forgotten man. How one writer's trip to Japan became a journey through oblivion. I'd consider it not an article about sumo, but a feature about different things that happens to include sumo. Or maybe sumo as a framing device for the rest of the seemingly unrelated things. The sumo portions are mainly about Hatsu 2014. Lots of basic explanation, with much focus on the life and times of Hakuho. Other sumo material covered includes Kisenosato's abortive yokozuna run, the YDC, foreign rikishi, yobidashi, ghost stories from the Kokugikan... I thought the parts about sumo and the material on the 1970 coup attempt in Japan were interesting. The writer's maunderings on other things were not interesting to me. Edited November 6, 2014 by Fukurou 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hakuhonofan 334 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Editorial: Hakuho's skill and virtue bode well for future of sumo ( Mainichi ) Hakuho’s record shows true strength ( Kuniyuki Kamimura - The Japan News by Yomiuri ) Edited January 24, 2015 by Hakuhonofan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kosomo 32 Posted January 26, 2015 Kintamayama you're famous :-P One of your vids was linked in this article. Hopefully doesn't draw too much heat from nhk or kyokai. http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jan/25/hakuho-rewrites-sumo-history-with-record-breaking-33rd-championship 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,509 Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) Kintamayama you're famous :-P One of your vids was linked in this article. Hopefully doesn't draw too much heat from nhk or kyokai. http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jan/25/hakuho-rewrites-sumo-history-with-record-breaking-33rd-championship Uh oh.. The Guardian. Dominence? Really? Edited January 26, 2015 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,945 Posted January 26, 2015 They used to be called The Grauniad for the quality of their proofreading. In recent years they have been much better, but... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kosomo 32 Posted January 27, 2015 Moti showing up in all the news :-) http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2015/01/27/sumo/praise-hakuho-know/#.VMeSDGh4o81 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,100 Posted January 27, 2015 Moti showing up in all the news :-) http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2015/01/27/sumo/praise-hakuho-know/#.VMeSDGh4o81 I actually heard Kintamayama's voice in my head while reading the quote by him. Also, it's yet another article to conflate "full house" with "sell out". :-S Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryafuji 815 Posted January 28, 2015 Also, it's yet another article to conflate "full house" with "sell out". :-S Well to be fair "full house" and "sell out" ought to be synonymous, it's just that the NSK chooses to mislead the public by unfurling the banners even though up to 10% of the tickets may remain unsold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,509 Posted January 28, 2015 Also, it's yet another article to conflate "full house" with "sell out". :-S Well to be fair "full house" and "sell out" ought to be synonymous, it's just that the NSK chooses to mislead the public by unfurling the banners even though up to 10% of the tickets may remain unsold. In Japanese, different words are used and they definitely don't mean the same thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,761 Posted January 28, 2015 A glass that is declared full usually also has some space left to fill in even more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted January 28, 2015 If a glass is only half full, a glass half the size would be sufficient. ("german engineer" version of this joke) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted January 28, 2015 Reminds me a bit of the epic consecutive sell-out at MSG (Madison Square Garden) for New York Knicks games. When I worked in NYC in 2000, the Knicks sucked bad time - even more than today - but it was so difficult to get tickets. One day, one of our business clients gave us their corporate tickets for an early season match against the then even worse LA Clippers. We went to the Garden to find a literally deserted venue. So this I think is a quite nice example for the difference between sell-out and full house. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryafuji 815 Posted January 29, 2015 Also, it's yet another article to conflate "full house" with "sell out". :-S Well to be fair "full house" and "sell out" ought to be synonymous, it's just that the NSK chooses to mislead the public by unfurling the banners even though up to 10% of the tickets may remain unsold. In Japanese, different words are used and they definitely don't mean the same thing. What are the definitions then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,509 Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) Also, it's yet another article to conflate "full house" with "sell out". :-S Well to be fair "full house" and "sell out" ought to be synonymous, it's just that the NSK chooses to mislead the public by unfurling the banners even though up to 10% of the tickets may remain unsold. In Japanese, different words are used and they definitely don't mean the same thing. What are the definitions then? When they say "manin onrei" it means most of the tickets have been sold. When they say "fudatome" it means ALL of the tickets were sold. We had 15 days of manin and if I'm not mistaken, 6 days of fudatome last basho. The banners are unfurled in both cases. Edited January 29, 2015 by Kintamayama 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,761 Posted January 29, 2015 9 sell-out days the NSK announced on their Twitter are not all at full capacity - and Day 6 is none. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,509 Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) Japan Times article- interesting twist-it says Hakuhou was reprimanded because he said "It shouldn't matter what color your skin is.." regarding the monoii. That is very interesting, since this remark was not what was reported. Anywhere. Edited January 30, 2015 by Kintamayama 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,761 Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) It was reported all over the press - page 2 has the color remark http://www.sankei.com/sports/news/150127/spo1501270013-n1.html f.Hakuho indicated feeling discriminated as a foreigner, but he might have even been declared the loser by the shimpan - then he had reason to complain. Edited January 30, 2015 by Akinomaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CT3* 331 Posted January 30, 2015 The website Cibersumo has also been linking Kintamayama's videos. At least for the last couple of basho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shumitto 418 Posted January 30, 2015 Japan Times article- interesting twist-it says Hakuhou was reprimanded because he said "It shouldn't mater what color your skin is.." regarding the monoii. That is very interesting, since this remark was not what was reported. Anywhere. Whenever the occasion to portray an incident as an act of racism or sexism or any other frowned upon -ism presents itself, it is quickly seized upon. It is disconcerting to see mass media vehicules deploying such tactics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,761 Posted January 30, 2015 Japan Times article- interesting twist-it says Hakuhou was reprimanded because he said "It shouldn't mater what color your skin is.." regarding the monoii. That is very interesting, since this remark was not what was reported. Anywhere. Well, at least he's right about that - what matters is which bits of your skin are touching the dohyo, and in that respect a torinaoshi was absolutely the right call. I don't expect Hakuho to be happy with the decision but there is no reason for him to act so petulantly about it. Being a Yokozuna gives him a license to perform a dohyo-iri, not a license to say whatever he wants with impunity. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,509 Posted January 31, 2015 It was reported all over the press - page 2 has the color remark http://www.sankei.com/sports/news/150127/spo1501270013-n1.html f. Hakuho indicated feeling discriminated as a foreigner, but he might have even been declared the loser by the shimpan - then he had reason to complain. I tried looking for another source that wrote this but couldn't find one-the other sources all stopped at "Aren't the shinpan ex-rikishi?" This is even weirder. I'm sure he said all that since there probably are a lot of videos and recordings, but the "skin" part was whitewashed for whatever reason in updates and articles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,761 Posted January 31, 2015 king for another source that wrote this but couldn't find one-the other sources all stopped at "Aren't the shinpan ex-rikishi?" This is even weirder. I'm sure he said all that since there probably are a lot of videos and recordings, but the "skin" part was whitewashed for whatever reason in updates and articles.The first day only the "kids can see" part was published, the next day most papers had the skin part as well, Sponichi even in the title. http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2015/01/27/kiji/K20150127009702100.html the interview in detail http://www.nikkansports.com/sports/sumo/news/p-sp-tp3-20150127-1426852.html some others http://www.hochi.co.jp/sports/sumo/20150126-OHT1T50210.html http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20150127/sum15012705050002-n1.html http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20150127/sum15012705050005-n1.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
