Sumo articles by journalists who are Forum members/or not

[Eikokurai 3,437]

9 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

I had the same reaction.  Perhaps "boost" would have been slightly more appropriate.

But John Gunning will be sure to remind us all that the titles to his pieces are written by his editor, and not him.  I say it is high time that John be allowed to write his own headlines!  

Perhaps a Sumo Forum petition is in order.

Standard practice in the newspaper industry for sub-editors to write the headlines.

[Amamaniac 2,079]

Just now, Eikokurai said:

Standard practice in the newspaper industry for sub-editors to write the headlines.

My point was that that practice is not working well in John's case.  It must be super frustrating.  John's sub-editor would do well to consult with John.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

15 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

My point was that that practice is not working well in John's case.  It must be super frustrating.  John's sub-editor would do well to consult with John.

Oh, trust me, this is not unique to John! Go on the Guardian these days and you’ll see many an article ruined by a clickbait headline that barely reflects the content. Just something you have to deal with as a journalist. 

[Amamaniac 2,079]

1 minute ago, Eikokurai said:

Oh, trust me, this is not unique to John! Go on the Guardian these days and you’ll see many an article ruined by a clickbait headline that barely reflects the content. Just something you have to deal with as a journalist. 

From your remarks, I have to conclude that you are a journalist facing similar frustrations.  That the term "clickbait headline" exists really sickens me.  Don't sub-editors realise that what they are doing lends itself to the whole "fake news" paranoia?

In your opinion, does “Change in stable can revive wrestlers’ careers” qualify as a "clickbait headline" or as a simple lack of familiarity with the topic?

[Yamanashi 3,847]

Isn't this just part of the ongoing existential battle between author and editor?

Author: "My article was a carefully-researched in-depth story with important content and a nuanced approach.  You saddled it with a misleading, simplistic headline."

Editor: "Listen, Nerd-Boy, your arcane otaku-bait will never get read unless we can catch the reader's eye with an interesting headline -- something with sizzle and pop."

Publisher: "Make good stuff!"

 

[RabidJohn 1,789]

5 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

Isn't this just part of the ongoing existential battle between author and editor?

Author: "My article was a carefully-researched in-depth story with important content and a nuanced approach.  You saddled it with a misleading, simplistic headline."

Editor: "Listen, Nerd-Boy, your arcane otaku-bait will never get read unless we can catch the reader's eye with an interesting headline -- something with sizzle and pop."

Publisher: "Make good stuff!"

After 23 years on the staff of a weekly fishing magazine, I can vouch for this. I've experienced it from both sides, too, as both writer and sub editor.

From personal experience, I can inform you that sub editors suffer from frequent 'headline fatigue'. Out of the thousands I came up with, there were probably fewer than twenty that I was actually proud of.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

8 hours ago, Amamaniac said:

From your remarks, I have to conclude that you are a journalist facing similar frustrations.  That the term "clickbait headline" exists really sickens me.  Don't sub-editors realise that what they are doing lends itself to the whole "fake news" paranoia?

In your opinion, does “Change in stable can revive wrestlers’ careers” qualify as a "clickbait headline" or as a simple lack of familiarity with the topic?

Not a journalist, no, though I studied with the intention of becoming one. I am a writer/editor, but of stuff like textbooks, not news articles. 

I wouldn’t class that as clickbait, more just a poor choice of words. Perhaps the sub is Japanese and less clear on the nuances of it. 

Edited December 6, 2018 by Eikokurai

[Kintamayama 45,145]

4 hours ago, John Gunning said:

and what was there was mostly   written by .

masterpieces written by John Pulitzer?

[Kintamayama 45,145]

6 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

After 23 years on the staff of a weekly fishing magazine,

6 hours ago, John Gunning said:

Tomorrow’s fish and chips paper as the saying goes.

 

 

Excellent.

[Amamaniac 2,079]

Miki is back with Sumo ABC #91!  In it, he reveals the secret (perhaps one of many) to Takakeisho's success.

http://www.the-japan-news.com/news/article/0005381161

[Naganoyama 5,913]

14 hours ago, Amamaniac said:

Miki is back with Sumo ABC #91!  In it, he reveals the secret (perhaps one of many) to Takakeisho's success.

http://www.the-japan-news.com/news/article/0005381161

"Many believe that Takakeisho could be promoted to ozeki if he can transform himself into a wrestler one or two levels higher."

Surely if he transforms himself into a wrestler two levels higher, he _will_ be an ozeki.

 

[since_94 650]

Also a freelance writer editor here, but thankfully free of journalistic pressures and annoyances. As sidelines to my day gig, I crank out copious volumes of topical material for the EFL market and also do a lot of academic editing in virtually every discipline. Nice to know there are other writers and editors out there who also share the love of sumo. 

[itchyknee 60]

On 05/12/2018 at 15:15, John Gunning said:

Has to be that way because the sub editor is the one who lays out the page so they know how long / short the headline has to be.

 

Have journalists ever tried coming up with a half dozen accurate headlines of varying sizes that the editor can pick from?

[Naganoyama 5,913]

2 hours ago, John Gunning said:

You mean spend time and effort doing someone else's job in a few different ways in case they might want to use your work instead of their own?

Perhaps @itchyknee is suggesting that this gives the journalist a good chance that his work appears in the best possible light.

[Kintamayama 45,145]

John on ticket sales and belligerent males

[Eikokurai 3,437]

A couple of bits on the Guardian today, which as usual only shows an interest in sumo when there’s a scandal and it can squeeze an identity politics angle into it.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/gallery/2018/dec/12/yokozuna-controversies-and-a-dump-truck-a-sumo-history-in-pictures

 

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/video/2018/dec/11/can-women-save-sumo-the-crossroads-facing-japans-national-sport-video

 

[Amamaniac 2,079]

19 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

A couple of bits on the Guardian today, which as usual only shows an interest in sumo when there’s a scandal and it can squeeze an identity politics angle into it.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/gallery/2018/dec/12/yokozuna-controversies-and-a-dump-truck-a-sumo-history-in-pictures

Identity politics or not, the photo of the 1923 training session caught my eye.  Given the wallpaper, modern weight equipment, and lack of shikirisen, I would hazard to guess that this keikoba was set up somewhere in Europe(?). That looked like quite an investment and, almost 100 years later, is there any sumo facility outside Japan that matches it?

Edited December 13, 2018 by Amamaniac

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

Are lobsters cultural, societal, or political? Asking for a friend. Your answer must include melted Kerrygold or it will be disqualified.

[since_94 650]

20 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

A couple of bits on the Guardian today, which as usual only shows an interest in sumo when there’s a scandal and it can squeeze an identity politics angle into it.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/gallery/2018/dec/12/yokozuna-controversies-and-a-dump-truck-a-sumo-history-in-pictures

 

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/video/2018/dec/11/can-women-save-sumo-the-crossroads-facing-japans-national-sport-video

 

Nice post. Some amazing photos, especially the old ones.

[Kintamayama 45,145]

On 12/12/2018 at 18:28, Eikokurai said:

A couple of bits on the Guardian today, which as usual only shows an interest in sumo when there’s a scandal and it can squeeze an identity politics angle into it.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/gallery/2018/dec/12/yokozuna-controversies-and-a-dump-truck-a-sumo-history-in-pictures

 

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/video/2018/dec/11/can-women-save-sumo-the-crossroads-facing-japans-national-sport-video

 

I'm going on local TV later today to discuss this article/video and the Oyataka.

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

Passion and technology behind English sumo coverage

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Sumo fans around the globe are spoiled for choice these days when it comes to following their favorite sport.

Livestreams, tournament preview shows in English, ever-increasing coverage in mainstream media and a plethora of fan sites and blogs are all available.

It’s a far cry from 15 years ago, when even basho results were hard to come by, never mind in-depth analysis...

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2018/12/19/sumo/passion-technology-behind-english-sumo-coverage/

 

[Benihana 1,929]

On 13/12/2018 at 13:22, Amamaniac said:

Identity politics or not, the photo of the 1923 training session caught my eye.  Given the wallpaper, modern weight equipment, and lack of shikirisen, I would hazard to guess that this keikoba was set up somewhere in Europe(?). That looked like quite an investment and, almost 100 years later, is there any sumo facility outside Japan that matches it?

The "gentlemen" in the background and the windows. Definitely NOT continental Europe.

Stunning pictures.

[Rocks 1,809]

9 minutes ago, Benihana said:

The "gentlemen" in the background and the windows. Definitely NOT continental Europe.

Stunning pictures.

It's originally from a German image site

https://timelineimages.sueddeutsche.de/bilder-entdecken?EVENT=WEBSHOP_SEARCH&SEARCHMODE=NEW&AUTHOR=0320067||ullstein+bild+-+ullstein+bild

[Benihana 1,929]

3 minutes ago, Rocks said:

It's originally from a German image site

https://timelineimages.sueddeutsche.de/bilder-entdecken?EVENT=WEBSHOP_SEARCH&SEARCHMODE=NEW&AUTHOR=0320067||ullstein+bild+-+ullstein+bild

Yes, but are all getty images made in the USA? The sliding windows we see here, have never been a thing here in germany (because they are utterly stupid), not even in buildings made especially for americans, i.e. in garrisons.

https://timelineimages.sueddeutsche.de/sumoringer_00212013

The picture was published in vol. 7 of a vastly popular sports/adventure/fun paper for kids, called "Der heitere Fridolin" (~The Merry Fridolin). That's why it is in a german archive. It's actually available as a reprint since a month.  Amazon

I'm tempted, but not tempted enough to pay €20,- for settling an internet argument in my favour.

[Rocks 1,809]

Okay, now I can't get it out of my head that it's  Germany in the 1923 picture and the gyoji is a distant relative of   @Gernobono   and the guys in the chairs are related to @Doitsuyama , @Randomitsuki and @Jakusotsu