Sekitori with collegiate sumo experience

[Kintamayama 45,506]

C. I suggest an over-all basho column, so we know how the guys who retired actually survived..

Can you elaborate? Fair warning: I've intentionally not included any information such as number of sekitori basho or career records that would force me to update lots of details for lots of active rikishi every single basho.

Just how many basho they were active. One column..

[Asashosakari 19,648]

Just how many basho they were active. One column..

Well, "how many basho" is something I'd have to update every basho...unless it's only added for retired rikishi, but that would look pretty silly. Would an "intai" column be okay? (Still not sure it would be all that informative, but...)

[Kintamayama 45,506]

Just how many basho they were active. One column..

Well, "how many basho" is something I'd have to update every basho...

Yes it is, for the active rikishi. Probably too much hassle. Forget it. Carry on with the important stuff. I just hope your turning Japanese won't be a problem.

[Asashosakari 19,648]

Updated for shin-juryo Miyogiryu Myogiryu...may he show some more upside than his recent predecessors. Can you believe that no collegiate rikishi who has debuted in the last six years has managed to reach sanyaku? (Okay, too early to write off newer debutants such as Tosayutaka, but still...)

Note updated disclaimer in the first post; now that the Mihogaseki/Onoe mess has conceptually spilled over to Nakadachi/Sakaigawa, some changes had to be made for consistency's sake. The third table sorted by heya has also seen a few changes as a result, namely a slight expansion of the header notes and some re-sorting to put stables with name changes at their current alphabetical location, not their original one.

[Asashosakari 19,648]

Haru 2010 update: Sagatsukasa to makuuchi, Daido to juryo.

[Asashosakari 19,648]

Natsu 2010: new sekitori Matsutani.

[kawika 123]

Regardless of all or any of everything written so far, I think this is one of the most worthwhile threads we have here. As we still have college grads and/or experience rikishi in lower divisions, it will even become more valuable as we go along.

Anyway I think it's nice to have a separate section for those college rikishi not necessarily with sumo club, however I don't believe anyone fits that category right now in Juryo or Makuuchi.

Yes, I agree, this is an awesome thread! Thank you for your hard work!

[Asashosakari 19,648]

Aki 2010 update: Takarafuji, Isegahama-beya's first collegiate sekitori.

Also added some belated annotations to the third table for Tamakasuga's takeover of Kataonami-beya, as well as the demise of Kise-beya.

[Asashosakari 19,648]

Kyushu 2010 updates:

Shin-sekitori Akiseyama and Tsurugidake, and moved the whole Musashigawa bunch in the third table due to the stable's name change to Fujishima.

[Asashosakari 19,648]

Nagoya 2011 updates:

shin-nyumaku: Takarafuji and Daido

shin-juryo: Kaonishiki and Tenkaiho

[Asashosakari 19,648]

Updated for Aki 2011 with Kokonoe-beya's first collegiate sekitori Chiyozakura, and the first Waseda University sekitori in 78 years, Oguruma-beya's Kimikaze/Naoe.

[shumitto 418]

From the 72nd down to the 97th no one has yet made at least Komusubi. Some still can like perennial candidate Homasho and younger ones like Tosayutaka and Myogiryu but by and and large it's a bunch of Juryo level sekitori.

Edited July 28, 2011 by shumitto

[aderechelsea 125]

the amount of work some people do around here makes me feel ashamed of posts like this one.

one-liners (if not made by Kinta) are an insult to the real contributors of this forum. And here i go making another pointless post like this one ...

thank you Asashosakari-san for this topic. Great work. (First prize...)

[Asashosakari 19,648]

From the 72nd down to the 97th no one has yet made at least Komusubi. Some still can like perennial candidate Homasho and younger ones like Tosayutaka and Myogiryu but by and and large it's a bunch of Juryo level sekitori.

Yeah, the 1990s role of gakusei rikishi as major high-rank participants has pretty much been taken over by the foreign rikishi. No new komusubi in 3 years, no new sekiwake in 7...

Hard to decide if the college starters from 15+ years ago were simply better, or more "hungry", or if the competitive level above ~M10 has risen so much with the addition of the many foreigners that the college guys are just getting lost in the crowd now.

one-liners (if not made by Kinta) are an insult to the real contributors of this forum. And here i go making another pointless post like this one ...

A thanks is never wasted. :-)

[shumitto 418]

Hard to decide if the college starters from 15+ years ago were simply better, or more "hungry", or if the competitive level above ~M10 has risen so much with the addition of the many foreigners that the college guys are just getting lost in the crowd now.

I was wondering what has led to that. Maybe a lack of good job opportunities since the 1990's has prompted some rikishi who would otherwise be elsewhere employed to turn to pro-sumo and seek subsistence there diminishing the quality overall. If that were the case, wouldn't there be some Sekiwake or at least Komusubi among them as standard-bearers of the older generation ? With other sports gaining some importance over the years at University Level ( I mean here soccer/football) has the share of college-sumo regarding funds diminished and so did the quality of the latest cohort of rikishi ? I have no idea how the funding works for sports in the Japanese Universities, however. And then, obviously, catalyzing this the influx of high quality foreign rikishi.

And thank you for the keeping this topic updated.

Edited July 29, 2011 by shumitto

[Azumashida 1]

one-liners (if not made by Kinta) are an insult to the real contributors of this forum. And here i go making another pointless post like this one ...

A thanks is never wasted. (Yusho winner...)

Then here's another one! Fantastic way of synthesizing all this information and keeping it updated! And while I'm at it many thanks for all the little gems in the lower division results threads, some great bouts there! :-)

[Asashosakari 19,648]

Updates for Kyushu 2011...

Behold! It's the sanyaku debut of up'n'comer Homasho. One to watch for the future, maybe.

Lotsa other new entries, too: First makuuchi triple collegiate debut ever by Myogiryu, Shohozan (Matsutani) and Tsurugidake, including the first-ever same-university double debut by Nihon Taiiku grads Myogiryu and Tsurugidake. No, not my own work - I peeked at the new Banzuke Topics. And last not least shin-juryo Tokushoryu, taking the 3-year scenic route to the paid ranks after being deemed one of the strongest collegiates of his class year.

[Treblemaker 254]

In the same vein, and in the correct thread, I find I miss Kotomitsuki's tachi-ai. Was watching some of the youngsters in the early Day 1 match-ups, saw one fellow who had the same left-foot-forward, right-hand-down, lightning charge across the lines, contact before the opponent had even come out of the crouch and bout over in less than a second kind of approach.

Of all the booted guys, I probably miss Mickey the most.

[Asashosakari 19,648]

Hatsu 2012 updates:

Makuuchi debut for Tenkaiho, the first one for a Nihon University grad in three years. The previous most recent one was Yamamotoyama who actually made his ozumo debut at the same time as Tenkaiho (and for the same stable, too).

And a pair of shin-juryo that complete the first 100 official collegiate sekitori: the freshly renamed makushita tsukedashi starter Chiyotairyu (ex-Meigetsuin) for Kokonoe-beya and Homarefuji for Isegahama-beya, the latter not only taking the same scenic route to the paid ranks that his Kinki university mate Tokushoryu did to the last basho, but getting lost a couple of times on the way to end up with even a year more in the lower divisions.