satsuhikari 0 Posted May 20, 2009 It's high time to dig out this topic as it could become a top issue tomorrow. (Being unsure...) Will Chiyotaikai win or not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ganzohnesushi 512 Posted May 20, 2009 Will Chiyotaikai win or not? Most likely he will not really win, I assume Kotooshu will lose (Being unsure...) Ganzohnesushi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaiomitsuki 408 Posted May 20, 2009 Will Chiyotaikai win or not? Most likely he will not really win, I assume Kotooshu will lose (Being unsure...) Ganzohnesushi If Kotooshu loses he will be 7-5 before fighting against the 2 Yokozunas and Harumafuji (The 3 are in the Yusho race !!!)... Do you really believe that Kotooshu will let Chiyotaikai win "easily" this fight ? (Shaking head...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 463 Posted May 20, 2009 Will Chiyotaikai win or not? Most likely he will not really win, I assume Kotooshu will lose (Being unsure...) Ganzohnesushi If Kotooshu loses he will be 7-5 before fighting against the 2 Yokozunas and Harumafuji (The 3 are in the Yusho race !!!)... Do you really believe that Kotooshu will let Chiyotaikai win "easily" this fight ? (Shaking head...) i guess kotooshu needs the win against taikai taikai still has kaio, miki and probably baruto or some well-doing maegashira to fight... so my bet is on osh..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sokkenaiyama 80 Posted May 20, 2009 I'm totally in the dark here. Both of them need the win, only Chiyotaikai needs it that much more. It's a total coinflip, I'm really curious how this turns out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 463 Posted May 20, 2009 I'm totally in the dark here. Both of them need the win, only Chiyotaikai needs it that much more. It's a total coinflip, I'm really curious how this turns out. i am sure osh needs it more he will lose to harumafuji, asashoryu and hakuho chiyotaikai still has kaio, miki and someome else to get the kk after losing to osh...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sokkenaiyama 80 Posted May 20, 2009 Maybe, I don't know. I'm staying away from it in the games. I'm glad they didn't have the Kotooshu-Taikai match in ISP or Tipspiel today. (Showing respect...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 532 Posted May 20, 2009 i am sure osh needs it morehe will lose to harumafuji, asashoryu and hakuho chiyotaikai still has kaio, miki and someome else to get the kk after losing to osh...... Yes but if Kotooshu finishes Make koshi he will be kabodan next time. Taikai will demoted and considering intai... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kofuji 0 Posted May 21, 2009 Definitely Chiyotaikai needs the bout more unless he is really ready to hang it up. Kotooshu just gets to get in the kadoban cycle whereas Chiyo would need 10 to get back to Ozeki from Sekiwake and in his current state that would be unlikely. Besides, Kotooshu can beat Haramafuji as long as he isn't being Harama-henka-fuji ... For a guy who is complaining about others henka-ing him recently, he certainly seems to be resorting to it a lot this basho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treblemaker 254 Posted May 21, 2009 I'm totally in the dark here. Both of them need the win, only Chiyotaikai needs it that much more. It's a total coinflip, I'm really curious how this turns out. What happens if, at the tachi-ai, they knock each other out, and fall at the same time? Do they both lose? Or if they both win, what is the winning kimarite? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,873 Posted May 21, 2009 I'm totally in the dark here. Both of them need the win, only Chiyotaikai needs it that much more. It's a total coinflip, I'm really curious how this turns out. What happens if, at the tachi-ai, they knock each other out, and fall at the same time? Do they both lose? Or if they both win, what is the winning kimarite? Torinaoshi. If one of them is unable to restart, he loses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,178 Posted May 21, 2009 I'm totally in the dark here. Both of them need the win, only Chiyotaikai needs it that much more. It's a total coinflip, I'm really curious how this turns out. What happens if, at the tachi-ai, they knock each other out, and fall at the same time? Do they both lose? Or if they both win, what is the winning kimarite? Torinaoshi. If one of them is unable to restart, he loses. Yes, that was the result the last time that happened. I thought it was some kind of blunder because until then this used to be an itamiwake (injury draw). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maxim 0 Posted May 21, 2009 Will Chiyotaikai win or not? Most likely he will not really win, I assume Kotooshu will lose (Whistling...) He won by a close margin. I doubt there was any intention of back-scratching before this match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andreas 0 Posted May 21, 2009 Well, we agreed before that Kotooshuu needed the win most to secure kachi-koshi because the tournament leaders wouldnt deliberately drop out of the race, so if organized back-scratching is taking place, Chiyo would win against Kaio and Mitsuki, and Mitsuki would win against Kaio for his KK. Baruto is in bad shape and got MK already, so I guess he might be convinced, too... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maxim 0 Posted May 21, 2009 Btw, someone should calculate how often Chiyotaikai loses after the mawashi is involved. My guess is over 90% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 463 Posted May 21, 2009 Well, we agreed before that Kotooshuu needed the win most to secure kachi-koshi because the tournament leaders wouldnt deliberately drop out of the race, so if organized back-scratching is taking place, Chiyo would win against Kaio and Mitsuki, and Mitsuki would win against Kaio for his KK. Baruto is in bad shape and got MK already, so I guess he might be convinced, too... i am not sure if taikai does not get kisenosato as he is fighting well....but he does not need a win either....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sokkenaiyama 80 Posted May 21, 2009 The NSK could justify pairing Kisenosato with Chiyotaikai, as Kisenosato is fighting for a special prize. But somehow I see them helping out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harry 67 Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) Taikai needs to beat Kotomitsuki first. Kotomitsuki isn't at KK himself yet but has already lost to both Yokozuna and will face Kaio himself before the end so he could afford to lose to Taikai as long as Kaio plays along. Kaio has to play along with Taikai as well of course; then either Baruto who is doing horrible so not a stretch to lose to Taikai or Kisenosato doesn't really need it, already having sewn up a return to sanyaku and in fact Taikai beat him last basho and has an overall winning record against him (though not lately, losing 5 of 8 of their last matches). I love Taikai but... Edited May 21, 2009 by Harry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,028 Posted May 21, 2009 ... as Kisenosato is fighting for a special prize. For which 11 wins probably won't be enough (unless they're giving credit for his strong start), not to mention that he's got some incentive to avoid falling into the Wakanosato "he just can't put up the wins like an ozeki candidate should" trap. Of course he could get to 12 wins even losing to Taikai (Kaio offers a good start tomorrow), so who knows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,664 Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) A 10 -win- plus Kisenosato will NEVER lose to a 7-7 Chiyotaikai. A KK KaioU will NEVER beat an un-MK Chiyotaikai. Mickey will get his 8th from U, and will have the win to give Taikai. Right? Wrong. Osh's win today signals that it's game over. Is it? Edit: How about this? Osh was supposed to lose, but Taikai's thigh gave in. Now everybody should pull for Taikai. Edited May 21, 2009 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 463 Posted May 21, 2009 A 10 -win- plus Kisenosato will NEVER lose to a 7-7 Chiyotaikai. that simply makes me laugh, as you do many times thank you again for your entertaining posts ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,664 Posted May 22, 2009 Disgusting. Not even the slightest attempt to cover it up. A disgraceful KK for Chiyotaikai. Last one out please turn out the light. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,877 Posted May 22, 2009 Did I just read Kintamayama complaining about a henka? Must be seeing things... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,664 Posted May 22, 2009 Did I just read Kintamayama complaining about a henka? Must be seeing things... No, complaining about the "set-up". Not even Kotomitsuki would REALLY fall for that blatant a henka. Lousy production value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,178 Posted May 22, 2009 Did I just read Kintamayama complaining about a henka? Must be seeing things... No, complaining about the "set-up". Not even Kotomitsuki would REALLY fall for that blatant a henka. Lousy production value. But if it is premeditated, why resort to a lousy henka then? Mitsuki could just make for a good target, getting pummeled and pushed out / pulled down, following the usual Taikai procedure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
