Asashosakari 19,320 Posted November 22, 2003 To answer Kashunowaka's concern that we've been a bit lazy with polls lately, here's one. (Alien stuff...) By popular request, a "no answer / I don't care" choice has been included, although I'm not fully sure it's needed this time. (Laughing...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tominishiki 0 Posted November 22, 2003 Azuma is going to win the yusho he play that basho better than Asashoryu but I dont sure this is one of the best fights in the last days(exept Takanohana vs Musashimaru in aki 2002)go Azuma (Alien stuff...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted November 22, 2003 (edited) To answer Kashunowaka's concern that we've been a bit lazy with polls lately, here's one. Edited November 22, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tokimori 0 Posted November 22, 2003 Asashoryu. Period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesinofuji 11 Posted November 22, 2003 Asashoryu. Period. Amen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted November 22, 2003 I don't care. Hallelujah! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,119 Posted November 22, 2003 Well, I don't care because I LIKE them both. Why wasn't that category included, or, at least, a neutral "I don't care", would have been OK.. Although this may sound completely off the wall, it Is possible to like them both.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted November 22, 2003 I like them both, but I think Asa will win, just cause he's been there before, and Tochiazuma might get a case of nerves. That said, it would probably not hurt Ozumo if Azuma wins it, and we can have a bunch of Yokozuna-run hype in January to start the new sumo year with! For once, the NSK got it right - final match on senshuraku decides it all... good move, it worked out this time! Cheers Zenjimoto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naifuzan 1 Posted November 22, 2003 I vote for Asashoryu! But whoever wins, it will be well deserved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 209 Posted November 22, 2003 Tochiazuma. Praise the Lord! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted November 22, 2003 Tochiazuma. Praise the Lord! Amen! (Alien stuff...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zuikakuyama 1 Posted November 22, 2003 Tochiazuma. Praise the Lord! Amen! (Alien stuff...) Amitahba Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted November 22, 2003 Extremely difficult choice for me. Both are worthy. I think Asashoryu is a bit jaded from recent yusho and Tochiazuma is hyped up, no yusho in a long time for him. I was about to start a new thread ranting about the difficulty of this final ISP bout. Over there, BTW, it's not as close as this poll: 78.4% of the people have picked Asashoryu to win. I have a serious dilemma in ISP today: Jejima-zeki, the leader at 14-0, has picked Asashoryu. I'm in the chase group at 13-1. If I pick Asashoryu as well and he wins, 14-1 jun-yusho for me, but zensho yusho for Jejima-zeki. If I pick Tochiazuma and he wins, 14-1 shares the yusho. But if I pick Tochiazuma and he loses, zensho yusho for Jejima-zeki and not even jun-yusho for me. Damn. :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kashunowaka 300 Posted November 22, 2003 I have a serious dilemma in ISP today: Jejima-zeki, the leader at 14-0, has picked Asashoryu. I'm in the chase group at 13-1. If I pick Asashoryu as well and he wins, 14-1 jun-yusho for me, but zensho yusho for Jejima-zeki. If I pick Tochiazuma and he wins, 14-1 shares the yusho. But if I pick Tochiazuma and he loses, zensho yusho for Jejima-zeki and not even jun-yusho for me. Damn. :-) I think your choice is obvious: if Jejima has picked Asashoryu, pick Tochiazuma. What good is a jun-yusho? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,320 Posted November 22, 2003 I have a serious dilemma in ISP today: Jejima-zeki, the leader at 14-0, has picked Asashoryu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted November 22, 2003 I have a serious dilemma in ISP today: Jejima-zeki, the leader at 14-0, has picked Asashoryu. I'm in the chase group at 13-1. If I pick Asashoryu as well and he wins, 14-1 jun-yusho for me, but zensho yusho for Jejima-zeki. If I pick Tochiazuma and he wins, 14-1 shares the yusho. But if I pick Tochiazuma and he loses, zensho yusho for Jejima-zeki and not even jun-yusho for me. Damn. :-) Well, apparently others have already said the same, but the more the better :-) It seems obvious to me that whatever Jejima chooses, you choose the opposite... To win the ISP is difficult and happens seldom. Shared jun-yusho with dozens of others is hardly something that will stay in memory though :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted November 22, 2003 Well I have this jaded idea of picking who I THINKS gonna win,in this case its gotta be Asashoryu-whoever wins though its humble pie time for me after what I said about Tochiazumas chances before the basho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted November 22, 2003 (edited) Well I have this jaded idea of picking who I THINKS gonna win,in this case its gotta be Asashoryu-whoever wins though its humble pie time for me after what I said about Tochiazumas chances before the basho. Well, everyone uses their tactics... It's really quite a special example though. In most games and most cases it DOES pay to go with what you think (well, depending the point of the game is to win). In some cases one could hope for an upset instead, which might warrant a different strategy, simply to have the best possible outcome. The only game where this happens frequently, and is quite good tactics is Cyber Sumo, where the points given for a Yokozuna or Ozeki win are often so few that it's better to guess on an upset (where it's at all conceivable) and have a possibility of much more points. :-) Which makes me think: Are there many who adopt that strategy, and therefore in effect to some extent chooses different winners in Sekitoto and Cyber Sumo (it's only a couple or three matches a day, but still...)? :-) Edited November 22, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kashunowaka 300 Posted November 22, 2003 Well I have this jaded idea of picking who I THINKS gonna win,in this case its gotta be Asashoryu-whoever wins though its humble pie time for me after what I said about Tochiazumas chances before the basho. Well, everyone uses their tactics... It's really quite a special example though. In most games and most cases it DOES pay to go with what you think (well, depending the point of the game is to win). In some cases one could hope for an upset instead, which might warrant a different strategy, simply to have the best possible outcome. The only game where this happens frequently, and is quite good tactics is Cyber Sumo, where the points given for a Yokozuna or Ozeki win are often so few that it's better to guess on an upset (where it's at all conceivable) and have a possibility of much more points. :-) Which makes me think: Are there many who adopt that strategy, and therefore in effect to some extent chooses different winners in Sekitoto and Cyber Sumo (it's only a couple or three matches a day, but still...)? :-) I have been wondering the same thing, so thank you for asking :-) Yes, I sometimes use that strategy. I start with the Seki-Toto picks and see if it would pay off to change a few. So if the bout is Yokozuna-M1 with 20 points if I have picked Asashoryu as winner, and 50 points if I have picked Tochinonada, it might be a good idea to pick Nada even if Asashoryu is my Seki-Toto pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted November 22, 2003 I never change my ST picks, cause they represent who I think will win, and if I don't think a guy will win, then I am not prepared to gamble, even if the reward is potentially greater. A bird in the hand, you know! :-) That said, I often DO pick "upsets" in ST as well, if I have a hunch that they might happen. Then of course, they also appear in my CyS picks... Cheers Zenjimoto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted November 22, 2003 BY THE WAY, according to Clyde Newton, there STILL is a chance that Dejima and/or Chiyotaikai can win the Yusho. He said in Day 14's commentary that, if there is a TIE (yes, a TIE. It happens!) in the Asa-Azuma match, then the other two would be in a ketteisen with them! Granted, a very very unlikely scenario, but so says the grand wizard of sumo magazine ripoffs... :-P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted November 23, 2003 (edited) BY THE WAY, according to Clyde Newton, there STILL is a chance that Dejima and/or Chiyotaikai can win the Yusho. He said in Day 14's commentary that, if there is a TIE (yes, a TIE. It happens!) in the Asa-Azuma match, then the other two would be in a ketteisen with them! Granted, a very very unlikely scenario, but so says the grand wizard of sumo magazine ripoffs... :-P But this hasn't happened since 1977 or so, eh? (A tie that is...) Anyway, is that really true? I would have guessed that if Asashoryu and Tochiazuma tied, they would STILL be considered having a better record than Dejima, and be alone in the playoff. I can't see anything that suggests differently in old results than that 12-2-1d is a better record than 12-3. But I'm not sure. I suppose Clyde SHOULD know... If he does is another matter completely... Edited November 23, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted November 23, 2003 BY THE WAY, according to Clyde Newton, there STILL is a chance that Dejima and/or Chiyotaikai can win the Yusho. He said in Day 14's commentary that, if there is a TIE (yes, a TIE. It happens!) in the Asa-Azuma match, then the other two would be in a ketteisen with them! Granted, a very very unlikely scenario, but so says the grand wizard of sumo magazine ripoffs... :-P But this hasn't happened since 1977 or so, eh? (A tie that is...) Anyway, is that really true? I would have guessed that if Asashoryu and Tochiazuma tied, they woudl STILL be considered having a better record than Dejima, andbe alone in the playoff. I can't see anything that suggests differently in old results than that 12-2-1d is a better record than 12-3. But I'm not sure. I suppose Clyde SHOULD know... If he does is another matter completely... Yeah, I would have thought so too... Oh well... I think we WON'T have to worry about it! :-P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,320 Posted November 23, 2003 For the record, with only minutes to go before the bout, the poll result is: Asashoryu 8, Tochiazuma 9, don't care 3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zuikakuyama 1 Posted November 23, 2003 Great win by Azuma. Sent Shoryu flying!! :-P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
