Aran vs. Takamisakari - Day 9

[Kozaru 0]

Did Aran just get into a street fight with Takamisakari? Wow, we should rename him Zangief.

I don't think I've ever seen anybody get disqualified before. When was the last time in Makuuchi?

[Kozaru 0]

If somebody can get the replay on here as soon as possible, that would be great.

[Asojima 2,874]

Did Aran just get into a street fight with Takamisakari? Wow, we should rename him Zangief.

I don't think I've ever seen anybody get disqualified before. When was the last time in Makuuchi?

Aran slapped Sakari silly. Unfortunately, he finished it off with a good grip on Robo's mage.

[Flohru 176]

I don't think I've ever seen anybody get disqualified before. When was the last time in Makuuchi?

Hansoku seems to appear more and more frequently nowadays. It happened 13 times in Makuuchi since 1955, 8 times after 2003. Last time it occured was Haru Basho 2009.

Anyone wants to speculate about the increasing of hansoku?

[Kozaru 0]

I don't think I've ever seen anybody get disqualified before. When was the last time in Makuuchi?

Hansoku seems to appear more and more frequently nowadays. It happened 13 times in Makuuchi since 1955, 8 times after 2003. Last time it occured was Haru Basho 2009.

Anyone wants to speculate about the increasing of hansoku?

I missed most of Haru.... which would explain why I don't remember that at all.

As for the cause, shouldn't we blame Asashoryu?

Edited September 21, 2009 by Kozaru

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

[Kintamayama 45,111]

Hansoku seems to appear more and more frequently nowadays. 8 times after 2003. Last time it occured was Haru Basho 2009.

Anyone wants to speculate about the increasing of hansoku?

5 of the last 8 culprits were foreigners. Maybe therein lies an answer.

[Kozaru 0]

Since January 2003:

40 tournaments + 9 days = 609 days

approx. 21 makuuchi matches per day = 12,789 matches

8 disqualifications / 12,789 matches = 0.06% or 1-in-1,599 matches

Is this really a huge problem?

[Takamizawa 0]

I don't think I've ever seen anybody get disqualified before. When was the last time in Makuuchi?

Hansoku seems to appear more and more frequently nowadays. It happened 13 times in Makuuchi since 1955, 8 times after 2003. Last time it occured was Haru Basho 2009.

Anyone wants to speculate about the increasing of hansoku?

Prolly has something to do with the more frequent use of pulling techniques. More pulling = more chance of pulling someone's hair... like 1st grade all over again T_T.

[Shibata-gumi 1]

ooo...not to stir the pot but Kintayama pulling the race card....lol.

[Asojima 2,874]

For the full details, see Part 2 of the Day 9 Pics thread.

[Kintamayama 45,111]

ooo...not to stir the pot but Kintayama pulling the race card....lol.

Facts are facts, and the race has already been won.

[Treblemaker 254]

Wouldn't it be simpler to just install a handle on the top of the head? I'm sure most hardware stores carry them, complete with screws.

I don't think I've ever seen someone get thrown out of the ring by his hair. That would hurt. A handle is so much easier.

[Kozaru 0]

ooo...not to stir the pot but Kintayama pulling the race card....lol.

Facts are facts, and the race has already been won.

With the small numbers involved (8 incidents), and the large number of foreigners in makuuchi, I don't think there would be any statistical significance to the fact that there have been 5 incidents by foreigners. Any mathematicians want to disagree?

[sekihiryu 51]

Aran is a thug, a thug in a top knot but none the less a thug.

[Treblemaker 254]

Aran is a thug, a thug in a top knot but none the less a thug.

Well, it night appear so, but on the other hand, this is legal and within the laws of the game, and while it might not be good sumo, it's a strategy that been used before.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/334300/sumo_...irin_asahimaru/

Not sure which is worse.. this or a real good & nasty trip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMY2hzVHuZ4...r_embedded#t=20

Sumo, for all its "gentlemanly" grandeur can still be a brutal sport.

[Kuroyama 715]

Aran is a thug, a thug in a top knot but none the less a thug.

Well, it night appear so, but on the other hand, this is legal and within the laws of the game, and while it might not be good sumo, it's a strategy that been used before.

Harite, yes. HAIRite, no.

[sekihiryu 51]

there be a video of the bout now on U-tube. Just search a rikishi name and click "uploaded today".

Wakakirin? yes he was thuggish with his slap happy sumo and Asashoryu can be pretty vicious at the best of times. Asashoryu though has a full bag of techniques which he uses to full effect to compliment his minor nasty style

Aran has the 'Ossetian shuffle'^TM , the 'slap down' and now it seems the 'slap happy' in his quiver and not much more. :-P every now and then he does something classical and solid , why he doesn't do it more often, who knows?

Edited September 22, 2009 by sekihiryu

[Treblemaker 254]

Aran is a thug, a thug in a top knot but none the less a thug.

Well, it night appear so, but on the other hand, this is legal and within the laws of the game, and while it might not be good sumo, it's a strategy that been used before.

Harite, yes. HAIRite, no.

Very true... I thought you were referring to Aran the Facial Treatment Specialist, rather than Aran, the Hairstylist.

With all the face-slapping and hair-pulling, Takamisakari probably thought he'd wandered into a socialite garden party. Tea, anyone?

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

Sumo, for all its "gentlemanly" grandeur can still be a brutal sport.

It might be the manners & mutual respect that has generally kept sumo from devolving into circus sideshows like boxing and MMA often have.

[Kintamayama 45,111]

With the small numbers involved (8 incidents), and the large number of foreigners in makuuchi, I don't think there would be any statistical significance to the fact that there have been 5 incidents by foreigners. Any mathematicians want to disagree?

I'm not a mathematician or a son of a mathematician. I just stated the facts as they are. 5 out of 8- 38% foreigners in Makuuchi, 63% of the hansoku offenders were foreigners. When some of these hansoku happened, there were much less foreigners in Makuuchi (like 5?). I still think there are too many impolite foreigners in Ozumo.

Edited September 22, 2009 by Kintamayama

[Kaji 1]

If somebody can get the replay on here as soon as possible, that would be great.

Here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6RbvSIq58U

Kaji

[Kozaru 0]

I still think there are too many impolite foreigners in Ozumo.

That's pretty rough. None of these guys are repeat offenders. All names on the list from 2003 appear only once. That's pretty harsh to call them impolite because of a single incident which was most likely an accident.

[Kintamayama 45,111]

I still think there are too many impolite foreigners in Ozumo.

That's pretty rough. None of these guys are repeat offenders. All names on the list from 2003 appear only once. That's pretty harsh to call them impolite because of a single incident which was most likely an accident.

Impolite does not necessarily mean winning by hansoku. It means not bowing correctly after losing, pulling faces after losing, using roughhouse techniques more than needed, and so much more that only a blind person or someone who thinks "sumo is just another sport" (good for him, but I disagree..) can't spot it. Just impolite. A certain percentage of the impolite rikishi did get kicked out of sumo lately, so you may have forgotten them by now..

[Kozaru 0]

'Impolite' is very relative. They would be considered quite average, behaviour-wise, in many sports in other countries. In those sports, the athletes are getting arrested for carrying guns, violent crimes, torturing animals, etc. These rikishi are getting chewed out for not bowing correctly? Or for driving cars? Wearing a t-shirt? Sumo wrestlers, even the evil foreigners, have to be the best-behaved athletes in the world. I think some lightening up and modernisation are needed. And if it doesn't happen, sumo will likely die a slow death, as the young Japanese just don't give a shit about it.

And yes, I think sumo is 'just another sport'. My favourite, but just another sport. There are no gods in the ring, and the salt doesn't do anything except probably provide some traction.