Sapp-Bono Pics

[Kintamayama 45,117]

This should be in the off-topic zone, but I still can't get used to losing you no matter what I try to do etc..

They probably will be gone soon.

Going by the pictures only-pathetic.

Sad.

Edited January 1, 2004 by Kintamayama

[Fujisan 533]

All I can see is a fat lard boxer-

What happened to the sumo legend we love? That isn't him.

Nobody that size belongs in a combat sport ring but he would make a great sumo wrestler if he was a bit younger.

[Mark Buckton 1]

Have a look here for some pics in adsition to those above - about 8 total (use the 'NEXT' button)

http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/photospecials/0401/k1/05.html

[Naganoyama 5,911]

I find this all too sad.

He has done nothing to add lustre to his great great name.

All I can see is a fat lard boxer-

What happened to the sumo legend we love? That isn't him.

Nobody that size belongs in a combat sport ring but he would make a great sumo wrestler if he was a bit younger.

I have to agree with Fujisan. K-1 fans will look at him and say that if that is the best that one of the all time greats of Sumo can do, then Sumo sucks.

:'-(

[Zuikakuyama 1]

I have to agree with Fujisan. K-1 fans will look at him and say that if that is the best that one of the all time greats of Sumo can do, then Sumo sucks.

:'-(

(Whistling...) (Just do not get it...)

Akebono has done more harm to sumo in 3 minutes than anyone could have ever done.

Is there some way for the Kyokai to strip him of the title. Is "Yokozuna" owned by the kyokai or somehow trademarked or copyright protected such that it can prevent him from using it on his shorts or in other situations?

[Fujisan 533]

There used to be a WWf wrestler called himself Yokozuna a few years ago even though he had never been a rikishi and they didn't stop him using it,so I doubt it.

[Mark Buckton 1]

There used to be a WWf wrestler called himself Yokozuna a few years ago even though he had never been a rikishi and they didn't stop him using it,so I doubt it.

I like WWE too. Never knew Yokozuna but there has been a bloke called 'RIKISHI' for some time - do you mean him? (not Japanese but perhaps S. Pacific chappie)

ANR

[Yoma 0]

They even staged a "Sumo-Match" once in the former WWF between "Yokozuna" and "Earthquake" - former Makushita Kototenzan (John Tenta) who quit Sumo after a year.

They didn't use a dohyo though, but a wrestling ring without ropes. Tenta was the good guy and he won. It had, of course, as little to do with sumo as pro wrestling has with sports. (Sign of disapproval)

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

There used to be a WWf wrestler called himself Yokozuna a few years ago even though he had never been a rikishi and they didn't stop him using it,so I doubt it.

I like WWE too. Never knew Yokozuna but there has been a bloke called 'RIKISHI' for some time - do you mean him? (not Japanese but perhaps S. Pacific chappie)

ANR

No, Yokozuna was a WWF-bloke for years, but I think he died maybe 5 years ago.

EDIT: Here is one article on "Yokozuna" from when he died.

http://www.canoe.ca/SlamWrestlingBiosXYZ/y...na_bio-can.html

Edited January 4, 2004 by Yubiquitoyama

[Fujisan 533]

Yes Yoma is correct-

The wrestler who called himself Yokozuna was from the same Island as "Rikishi Fatu" which is his full name but "Yokozuna" died a couple of years ago-

The other difference is that "Yokozuna," was even more successful having been World Champion at one time.

[tsunamiko 4]

I have to agree with Fujisan.  K-1 fans will look at him and say that if that is the best that one of the all time greats of Sumo can do, then Sumo sucks.

:-)

:-( (Just do not get it...)

Akebono has done more harm to sumo in 3 minutes than anyone could have ever done.

Is there some way for the Kyokai to strip him of the title. Is "Yokozuna" owned by the kyokai or somehow trademarked or copyright protected such that it can prevent him from using it on his shorts or in other situations?

i cant see how akebono has done more harm to sumo than anyone has ever done...

the hanada family was in a tax scandal some years ago....they just forgot to pay taxes...

terao and another member of the izutsu beya were caught with illegal gambling

there were rumors of rigged matches in sumo....

there were rumors of oyakatas having close "friendships" with people of the yakuza....

this list can go on and on...nothing of this did any harm to sumo in the long run...how should the behaviour of a gaijin yokozuna harm it....

[Naifuzan 1]

this list can go on and on...nothing of this did any harm to sumo in the long run...how should the behaviour of a gaijin yokozuna harm it....

Because this is the kinda thing that's gonna make non-sumo fans think that sumo wrestlers are only fat, soft and weak.

[Gernobono 466]

Because this is the kinda thing that's gonna make non-sumo fans think that sumo wrestlers are only fat, soft and weak.

if you think of it....aren't they fat and soft?....ok...they might not be weak.....

but do you know any other sport where a bout can be over in fractions of a second by simply stepping to the side?....

most of us love sumo not only because of the muscular strength but additionally for the traditions and rites.....the whole makuuchi (without kotonowaka) might be over in about the time expected for a 200m dash final....

all of this apparently came true when akebono stepped up the ring.....but none of us can be so blind to see that the rikishi only can succeed in sumo.....they all look different from other athletes....the fat (even if muscular beneath) sumotori is helpless even in fighting-sports like k-1......they might succeed in other wrestling-competitions...but that is that.....

i do not think any harm can be done to sumo speaking of k-1 fans....i guess that most people interested in k-1 or similar "sports" are no future sumo-fans....even if akebono would have flatened sapp (the only winning technique available)..

[Yoavoshimaru 0]

>Akebono has done more harm to sumo in 3 minutes than anyone could have >ever done.

I agree with Tsunamiko- and Gernobono-zeki. I don't think there are many potential sumo fans among K-1 fans, so Akebono's display of weakness isn't that big a deal for them. He has damaged himself, sure. I don't even know how popular K-1 is, i.e. what the audience size is (beyond the 46K or so who were watching the match), except that I'd never heard of it before this Akebono deal. I think most people, at least most people I know, already regard sumo wrestlers as little more than fat slobs pushing each other around. It's only when you get interested and start to learn the sport and the tradition that things get more intricate.

So my point is, while this may be a travesty in the eyes of sumo fans (I'm one), it's not a big deal to the sport as a whole because this perception already exists among the larger population who only knows of sumo very casually.

[Manekineko 200]

Well, in Croatia most people don't think much about sumo, except perhaps reflex Yeew! reaction upon seein a picture. But now about 50% of population that is avare of K1 (Crocop in our parliament, after all :-) ) has heard of Akebono, and can't possibly think well of him. And if it registered with them that he's a sumo wrestler, well, that will only re-enforce their preconceptions about sumo: Yeew!

[Kaikitsune Makoto 209]

Well Akebono wants a rematch now....

Stereotypes of sumo always exist but still I can't believe people in general would be so dumb to not understand the difference. Nobody thinks that Greek-Roman champion wrestler is a weakling and yet all of them would face the same fate as Akebono did in K1-ring. Anybody could see Akebono was like a beginner compared to any K1-fighter. Same goes vice versa. Would people say "Oh that Tyson is such a weak guy!!" when some 90kg Greek-roman wrestler would beat him in 30 seconds in wrestling? I would think that many K1-fans understand martial arts.....

[Mark Buckton 1]

Well Akebono wants a rematch now....

Stereotypes of sumo always exist but still I can't believe people in general would be so dumb to not understand the difference. Nobody thinks that Greek-Roman champion wrestler is a weakling and yet all of them would face the same fate as Akebono did in K1-ring. Anybody could see Akebono was like a beginner compared to any K1-fighter. Same goes vice versa. Would people say "Oh that Tyson is such a weak guy!!" when some 90kg Greek-roman wrestler would beat him in 30 seconds in wrestling? I would think that many K1-fans understand martial arts.....

On the rematch comment in the post above - Akebon's wife in an early morning interview used the words 'next fight' then realised she'd slipped I think.

Interviewer being of average morning show intellect seemed not to notice and changed the subject.

Let's see.

Also, this by tsunamiko-san

""the hanada family was in a tax scandal some years ago....they just forgot to pay taxes... :-) ((we forgot is a classic response - look in the paper every few days for this one))

terao and another member of the izutsu beya were caught with illegal gambling :-/

((most forms of gambling is illegal in Japan and illegal gambling is everywhere))

there were rumors of rigged matches in sumo.... :-( ((more than rumors methinks))

there were rumors of oyakatas having close "friendships" with people of the yakuza.... :-) ((find a high ranking society person who doesn't - this goes so deep in politics / business / sport etc etc it is scary - and Chiyotaikai was on the 'bottom rungs' of such a career some years ago))

this list can go on and on...nothing of this did any harm to sumo in the long run...how should the behaviour of a gaijin yokozuna harm it.... ""

Key word - gaijin.

The Japanese national anthem was played before the fight but Akebono will always be what he was at birth - not one of the in-crowd. :-)

Also - you forgot the hanada 'hit and run' and didn't a sekitori kill someone in the not too distant past?

ANR :-)

[Fujisan 533]

Yes it was Toki wasnt it and wasnt he penalised because he shouldnt have been driving or something.

[Zentoryu 154]

Yes it was Toki wasnt it and wasnt he penalised because he shouldnt have been driving or something.

Yes Toki, he hit and killed an elderly woman crossing the street. The Kyokai forced him to miss a basho (or two) dropping him to Juryo as punishment for driving, which is against Kyokai rules.

[Kotoseiya Yuichi 3]

While legal English isn't my forte, I protest against the use of verb to kill in this context. ;-)

Unless I remember wrong, the elderly lady walked against red lights quite unexpectedly. At best (or worst) it was a case of (the correct legal term in English escapes me) inadvertent causing of death. Kyokai's punishment was another thing altogether.

[Mark Buckton 1]

While legal English isn't my forte, I protest against the use of verb to kill in this context. ;-)

Unless I remember wrong, the elderly lady walked against red lights quite unexpectedly. At best (or worst) it was a case of (the correct legal term in English escapes me) inadvertent causing of death. Kyokai's punishment was another thing altogether.

Koto-san - you may mean manslaughter?

ANR

[Kotoseiya Yuichi 3]

Koto-san - you may mean manslaughter?

I guess I might. The word sounds familiar. Not as familiar as kuolemantuottamus but likely they mean the same. I should find time and hard drive space to install my electronic dictionary. ;-)

[Mark Buckton 1]

PS - Koto-san,

what's with Ozumo discussions - can't access for some reason?

[Zentoryu 154]

While legal English isn't my forte, I protest against the use of verb to kill in this context. ;-)

Unless I remember wrong, the elderly lady walked against red lights quite unexpectedly. At best (or worst) it was a case of (the correct legal term in English escapes me) inadvertent causing of death. Kyokai's punishment was another thing altogether.

I wanna say involuntary manslaughter, but that somehow sounds worse. Accidental death would probably be a better description.

I think you're right about the woman crossing unexpectedly as I do remember someone on the SML who lived in the area where the accident occured saying that this was a somewhat common occurance there (people crossing the street unexpectedly in the face of oncoming traffic I mean).

[Kotoseiya Yuichi 3]

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