Banzuke Haru Basho 2004

[Gernobono 467]

RANK EAST WEST

Y Asashoryu (Y, 15-0)

O Chiyotaikai (O, 10-5) Kaio (O, 10-5)

O Tochiazuma (O, 9-6) Musoyama (O, 5-4-6)

S Wakanosato (K, 9-6) Kotomitsuki (M4, 13-2)

K Kakizoe (M5, 11-4) Shimotori (M7, 11-4)

M1 Miyabiyama (M7, 11-4) Kyokushuzan (M2, 8-7)

M2 Dejima (M6, 10-5) Kyokutenho (M3, 8-7)

M3 Tochinonada (K, 6-9) Tamanoshima (S, 5-10)

M4 Aminishiki (M8, 9-6) Tosanoumi (S, 4-11)

M5 Tokitsuumi (M4, 7-8) Iwakiyama (M2, 6-9)

M6 Hokutoriki (M1, 5-10) Jumonji (M8, 8-7)

M7 Tochisakae (M11, 9-6) Kinkaiyama (M9, 8-7)

M8 Takamisakari (M3, 4-11) Takanonami (M10, 8-7)

M9 Buyuzan (M14, 10-5) Kokkai (M10, 8-7)

M10 Kasuganishiki (M5, 4-10-1) Kotoryu (M9, 7-8)

M11 Asanowaka (M16, 10-5) Takekaze (M6, 4-11)

M12 Toki (M1, 1-11-3) Asasekiryu (M12, 7-8)

M13 Kotonowaka (M13, 0-0-15) Chiyotenzan (J3, 11-4)

M14 Harunoyama (J3, 10-5) Ushiomaru (M14, 7-8)

M15 Futeno (J4, 10-5) Toyozakura (J1, 8-7)

M16 Wakanoyama (J6, 11-4) Kaiho (M15, 7-8)

M17 Yotsukasa (M11, 5-10)

Edited February 29, 2004 by Gernobono

[Asashosakari 19,655]

M1w Kyokushuzan

Well, d'oh. ;-)

Congrats to Shimotori on his sanyaku debut though. :-D

[aderechelsea 125]

i want to see Kyokushuzan in sanyaku............. ;-)

[Fujisan 533]

Neh,neh-Told you so!

In fact my guesses where right down to M4e except I had Deijima and Shuzan the wrong way round.

I didn't take part in GTB though cos my banzuke was incomplete,maybe next time.

Well done Shimotori and Kakizoe on your debuts in Sanyaku,Futeno on his Makuuchi debut and especially Chiyotenzan on his overdue return.

[aderechelsea 125]

Asasekiryu and Kotoryu are the lucky of the banzuke i guess.......

(their name has the same ending..........i smell conspiracy......... :-D )

am i so bored to post things like that.......? ;-)

[Fujisan 533]

What about Toyozakura who seems to have jumped 3 places(J1-M15) on 8-7?

[Zentoryu 154]

Asasekiryu and Kotoryu are the lucky of the banzuke i guess.......

(their name has the same ending..........i smell conspiracy......... :-) )

am i so bored to post things like that.......? ;-)

You're right about Asasekiryu, but I don't see how Kotoryu is lucky. He dropped from M9 to M10, which is about as far as one would expect with a 7-8. :-D

[aderechelsea 125]

(Oops! )

it seems i am so bored that i forgot to use my brain..........

it looked to me that it was the other way round (he was M10 and became M9)

;-)

[Zenjimoto 40]

Another great example of a haphazardly butt-ugly banzuke from the NSK ;-)

[Kashunowaka 300]

Asanowaka and Buyuzan were a little unlucky to only be promoted 5 rungs with 10-5. Buyuzan has done 10-5 from M14W before, but that time he was promoted to M5W. And several of the 8-7 rikishi around M8-M10 got really lousy promotions, like Kokkai from M10W to M9W, which is one of the worst ever. Too many good results in mid-makuuchi. ;-)

Edited March 1, 2004 by Kashunowaka

[Mark Buckton 1]

Gernobono-san,

Thank you for your initial post.

To all posters on the banzuke subject thus far though would it have been out of the question to offer some sign of gratitude to the (presumably) man who supplied you with that you are so eager to see?

However Gernobono obtained the latest banzuke info he did so early enough for many in Europe to see it before going to bed andd however much / little work was involved I think he deserves a message of thanks from at least some of you that were hanging around to see the post appear. None thus far - NONE!

The majority of you are only able to REACT to posts such as this rather than to initiate due for the most part due to locales in the EU, Scandinavia, the US, Australasia and Asia and Finland (not Scandanavia apparently) and the fact that the internet is the world's biggest library* does not negate the fact that someone made an effort and passed that onto yourselves to enjoy.

Gernobono made that effort for you today.

Also - to those who mailed over the past month - thank you. Hope today's banzuke came through and the real ones are in the post (30 mins ago) for those who requested it.

ANR

* - comparitive post on books held by libraries around the world unwanted thanks statto types. This is but an opinion.

out.

Edited March 1, 2004 by Adachinoryu

[Kashunowaka 300]

Gernobono-san,

Thank you for your initial post. 

[usual diatribes snipped]

out.

Still have your touch, I see.

[Asashosakari 19,655]

the fact (...)*

* (...) is but an opinion.

Good to see that the Adachinorean brand of concise thinking* is still alive and well! (Sign of approval)

* And writing too, obviously!

Edited March 1, 2004 by Asashosakari

[Kotoseiya Yuichi 3]

Thank you, Gernot. Appreciated as always. I never knew it needed to be mentioned. I always thought people would be grateful by default to anyone delivering banzuke to the public as soon as possible and that he/she would know that without saying. But that's me...

[Zenjimoto 40]

And wouldn't you know, those vile mean-hearted stone cold ungrateful mongrels of the german-language forum, where Gernot posted the banzuke FIRST amidst unimaginable toil, STILL have not uttered a single word of gratitude up to this very point in time! Shocking! :-D Unleash the Adachinorynator!!

Actually, he was beaten to it by Hamanoyama, who posted it there seconds before... :-) It's good to speak german, hm? ;-)

Edited March 1, 2004 by Zenjimoto

[Gernobono 467]

trolling adachinoryu did it again...

as much as i appreciated his efforts to get to the kokugikan to post the newly released banzuke last basho, i am happy i did not have to read such posts as the one in this thread frequently over the last weeks

if i post anything, pictures or banzuke or anything else it is just an affort to pay back for the facts i learned in various sumoforums and mailinglists....

i sometimes express my gratitude for data personally to the one who posted them....and i would never expect any thanks for anything posted in a forum.....

Edited March 1, 2004 by Gernobono

[Fujisan 533]

Well I think Adachi is right actually even if he went about it wrong-

So a belated thank you Gernobono,I know you dont want our thanks but you have them anyway.

I was one waiting and counting the minutes waiting for someone to post the banzuke,not sure who but knowing they would-

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

Thanks Gernobono-zeki for posting the banzuke so extraordinarily quick. ;-)

I can't help but ask though: How did you manage to find it so early (you don't have to answer of course :-) )? :-D

Edited March 1, 2004 by Yubiquitoyama

[aderechelsea 125]

@Adachinoryu

i don't know your previous history in this forum (although i detect a lot of spite from other posters) but .............. relax man.

I know someone should have said thanks to gernobono-san for his quick post of the banzuke but your reaction was over the top...........

try to eat fore fiber................... (Laughing...)

[Asashosakari 19,655]

To perhaps put this thread back on track...before Hatsu basho, I genuinely thought that Haru would be another basho with an all-sanyaku-from-different-heya banzuke, except if Toki could do the unthinkable and return to Komusubi. Who'd have thought that Kakizoe would pick up the slack instead. On the other hand, I guess it shows just why such banzukes are so rare. (Laughing...)

[Feginowaka 53]

Thanks Gernobono-zeki for posting the banzuke so extraordinarily quick.  (Applauding...)

I can't help but ask though: How did you manage to find it so early (you don't have to answer of course :-) )? :-O

This time the Kyodo News was exceptionally early with the Banzuke.

And I think Gernobono had the Banzuke from there.

Btw I received the rankings by email some minutes later directly from Japan, from Adachinoryu (thanks for that nice service, ANR).

But it was too late to post as Gernobono was faster...

[paolo 0]

I understand why Tochiazuma is an Ozeki 2 now (his record was 9-6, worse

than Chiyotaikai's and Kaio's ones). But why is Chiyotaikai Oseki 1 East and Kaio Ozeki 1 West ? Both had the same record of 10-5, but Kaio won their bout, so I thought he would be ahead of Chiyotaikai. Or am I missing something ? Thanks in advance to those who can clarify me this fact....

[Jejima 1,414]

But why is Chiyotaikai Oseki 1 East and Kaio Ozeki 1 West ? Both had the same record of  10-5, but Kaio won their bout, so I thought he would be ahead of Chiyotaikai. Or am I missing something ? Thanks in advance to those who can clarify me this fact....

It's quite simple. Their mutual bout doesn't count, only their records. As they both ended up with 10-5 last basho, the one that was higher ranked (ie 'Taikai) remains higher ranked this time around. Kaio needs to have a better record than Chiyotaikai to overtake him in the rankings.

* I can think of one possible exception, and I hope that someone can provide an answer. What would happen if they both ended up 14-1 in March, and Kaio beats Chiyotaikai in a Yusho playoff? Who would get the Ozeki East slot for May? *

Edited March 2, 2004 by Jejima

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

But why is Chiyotaikai Oseki 1 East and Kaio Ozeki 1 West ? Both had the same record of

[Kashunowaka 300]

Playoff bouts DO count when it comes to banzuke position. The rule was introduced around 2000 I think. Therefore Kaio would take the East position in such a situtation.

If you are referring to this rule change, it seems to have been implemented in 1997. But it wasn't used until Hatsu 2001. The second time the rule was used was Hatsu 2002, which incidentally was the latest playoff in makuuchi. I think it's about time we had another one soon, but I won't hold my breath. (Applauding...)

Edited March 2, 2004 by Kashunowaka