Peterao 3 Posted July 2, 2010 Regarding his douhai Kotomitsuki: "He's an idiot, gambling on other sports!" Apparently Takamisakari has no interest in gambling, as he also said "I thought that gambling on baseball was an urban legend!" With regards to the company that he has a CM contract with, and which supplies him with many kensho for his matches, "As a business decision, it was obvious, but it still hurts." Lastly, he said "All I can do for the future is do good sumo. I will bring back the trust that we have destroyed!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiyozakura 148 Posted July 2, 2010 Well said. In the end the likes of Kotomitsuki are to blame, no matter how you judge the overall situation. He should have known that his behaviour would be unacceptable if known to the public. Hopefully there will be others with Takamisakari's attitude as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Babaryutaikai 1 Posted July 2, 2010 (edited) Regarding his douhai Kotomitsuki: "He's an idiot, gambling on other sports!" <SNIP> As opposed to gambling on his own? (Censored...) Sorry - I just couldn't resist! Edited July 2, 2010 by Babaryutaikai Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nonews 0 Posted July 3, 2010 I still think, who cares what anybody was gambleing on? it was their money from what I gather. would the same cry happen if they were betting on the world cup or the NBA or horses? people need to understand these are adults. most of them anyway. why should sumo or anyone else try to tell them they can't gamble. it doesn't harm sumo. they aren't gods as some seem to think. leave them alone. refusing to let them retire so they can be fired is nasty. I hope they go after sumo for that and get big payouts. that is against the law most places. maybe they need to tell all about sumo and the assosiation to that magazine that has been after them. let it all out. how fast will the retirement be approved then. I think thay could double or triple the money they would have gotten to retire just as a payoff to shut them up. (Laughing...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted July 3, 2010 I still think, who cares what anybody was gambleing on? it was their money from what I gather. would the same cry happen if they were betting on the world cup or the NBA or horses? people need to understand these are adults. most of them anyway. why should sumo or anyone else try to tell them they can't gamble. it doesn't harm sumo. they aren't gods as some seem to think. leave them alone. refusing to let them retire so they can be fired is nasty. I hope they go after sumo for that and get big payouts. that is against the law most places. maybe they need to tell all about sumo and the assosiation to that magazine that has been after them. let it all out. how fast will the retirement be approved then. I think thay could double or triple the money they would have gotten to retire just as a payoff to shut them up. (Laughing...) For the 118th time, it is not the gambling itself, it is all of the underworld ties associated with the gambling that most people are upset about. And who are you to say that gambling doesn't harm sumo? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nonews 0 Posted July 5, 2010 the underworld is involved in everthing in Japan. why would you think sumo is exempt from them. the Sumo assosiation was wrong in the actions they took because they are old farts living 50 years ago. they need to get into modern ever day live and see the worl as it really is. Takanohana tried to stand up for what is right and resigned. why is it the assosiation wouldn't accept the resignation? because it will start their downfall. they are the ones who need to be fired and booted out of sumo all the way. is there nobody in other sports that gambles on baseball or soccer or anything else? all sports have their gamblers and always will. being fired for betting on other sports is outrageous. if they gambled on sumo outcomes okay. but other sports? wake up and smell the roses of reality people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,527 Posted July 5, 2010 wake up and smell the roses of reality people. OK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 209 Posted July 5, 2010 the underworld is involved in everthing in Japan. why would you think sumo is exempt from them. the Sumo assosiation was wrong in the actions they took because they are old farts living 50 years ago. they need to get into modern ever day live and see the worl as it really is. Takanohana tried to stand up for what is right and resigned. why is it the assosiation wouldn't accept the resignation? because it will start their downfall. they are the ones who need to be fired and booted out of sumo all the way.is there nobody in other sports that gambles on baseball or soccer or anything else? all sports have their gamblers and always will. being fired for betting on other sports is outrageous. if they gambled on sumo outcomes okay. but other sports? wake up and smell the roses of reality people. Not that I know much anything about the magnitude of underworld's influence in Japan but rationally thinking yakuza (if that is what we define as the main underworld entity) gets involved in areas where it has most to gain with minimal risks. It certainly isn't involved in "everything". Yet the hypocricy is there of course. Theatretical covering up a picture of Toyonoshima with a blanket and stuff like that is mostly a show naturally. Still, do you really think there should be some sanctioning of taking part in activity that suppors the underworld? As it has been written by people far more knowledgable than me , illegal baseball gambling being associated strongly to yakuza is a well known fact in Japan. So if you get caught and you won't get a strong punishment, then it is just a signal that "yes we know it is underworld related but as many people do it and it is modern reality, it is not that big deal". Sounds quite strange to me. I agree with you than oozumo has quite silly rules and the old school oyakata and in general the very conservative attitude of sumo elders is also tragicomically dumb at times. All sports have gamblers for sure, all sports have egoistic bastards, mean bullies, nice persons etc. Even in oozumo gambling seems to have been quite widespread and I don't doubt at all that majority of rikishi knew this was going on so rikishi and oyakata didn't really think it was that bad. Now the reaction is a severe reprimand, that expected deep bows and "reflecting one's actions" while when engaging in the actity nobody thought it was that bad. Gambling between one another inside closed circle without outside (underworld) influence shouldn't be a reason for generalized punishment. Good to hear such ridiculous path wasn't taken. Now THERE would have been the ultimate step forward from the driving ban-rule. It may be that Japan is full of corruption, full of deals with yakuza where both parties benefit from and at the same time quite powerful rejection towards any company with known or even suspected links (even temporary) to yakuza (the post from one foreigner on this forum who has done business with Japanese companies a lot was quite illuminating). The beautiful big discrepancy between the tatemae and the true feelings towards something. Life is life, I know a lot about the nature and forms of shitatedashinage but not much about this stuff so everything in this post may be crap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nonews 0 Posted July 5, 2010 kinda like my posts. it just seems to me to be overkill by the assosiation to try and save face for them. they don't seem to care what the average sumo wrestler thinks about anything. and that's their problem. they don't give a rat's patootie what anyone but themseves thinks. I have worked for a big Japanese company and when I quit I said never again. then again happened and now it's never again for sure. the managers are just like the sumo managers. as long as they get theirs they don't care about anyone else. or what anyone thinks. they would rather see sumo go under than admit they screwed up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,657 Posted July 5, 2010 it just seems to me to be overkill by the assosiation to try and save face for them. they don't seem to care what the average sumo wrestler thinks about anything. and that's their problem. they don't give a rat's patootie what anyone but themseves thinks. What's your alternative? Those wrestlers are very likely going to have much bigger problems in the short and medium term than not being allowed to gamble on baseball if the Ministry of Education decides they've seen enough and does something drastic to "reform" the Kyokai from the top down. For all the suggestions offered in the other thread, ministerial meddling is just about the last way to achieve them; they don't particularly care about the "average" sumo wrestler either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orion 431 Posted July 6, 2010 (edited) [snip] What's your alternative? Those wrestlers are very likely going to have much bigger problems in the short and medium term than not being allowed to gamble on baseball if the Ministry of Education decides they've seen enough and does something drastic to "reform" the Kyokai from the top down. For all the suggestions offered in the other thread, ministerial meddling is just about the last way to achieve them; they don't particularly care about the "average" sumo wrestler either. As an active sumo supporter who also works with and for Japanese bureaucrats, I could not agree more. And the ones I know, or know of, are considered the top of the tree -- that is, at the opposite end to the Ministry of Education etc., which is officially in charge of sumo. Orion Edited July 6, 2010 by Orion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nonews 0 Posted July 7, 2010 [snip] What's your alternative? Those wrestlers are very likely going to have much bigger problems in the short and medium term than not being allowed to gamble on baseball if the Ministry of Education decides they've seen enough and does something drastic to "reform" the Kyokai from the top down. For all the suggestions offered in the other thread, ministerial meddling is just about the last way to achieve them; they don't particularly care about the "average" sumo wrestler either. As an active sumo supporter who also works with and for Japanese bureaucrats, I could not agree more. And the ones I know, or know of, are considered the top of the tree -- that is, at the opposite end to the Ministry of Education etc., which is officially in charge of sumo. Orion what rocket scientist decide the minestry of education should have anything to do with sumo? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,735 Posted July 7, 2010 One, the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology (MEXT) is the long translation. Second, having the lowest ratio of Todai (Tokyo University) graduates as its bureaucrats, MEXT is sometimes looked down upon by those who place a premium on brand name universities whose students peaked in their academic careers at age eighteen when they aced a multiple choice entrance exam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,761 Posted July 8, 2010 what rocket scientist decide the minestry of education should have anything to do with sumo? Wernher von Braun. I bet you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
