Kintamayama 45,530 Posted July 22, 2010 (edited) I guess nobody saw this, so I'll tell you what happened.. Aminishiki crashed into the crowd with Tochinoshin on top of him, and could not get up for a while. After what seemed like eternity some people came to help him get up and escort him up the (other side) hanamichi. All the while, a monoii was going on, as Aminishiki got the gunbai but it was close. Aminishiki could not stand on his leg, but realizing what was going on, turned around in the middle of the hanamichi and hobbled over to his side of the dohyo to await the verdict. It was decided in his favor, so he hobbled on to the dohyo, hardly able to crouch for the tegatana. He got off the dohyo, but refused to be escorted out , because he wanted to give Kotooushuu his chikaramizu for the next bout. He could hardly stand. Only then was he aided to a wheelchair and left , from his side of the hanamichi this time. Incredible spirit, great rikishi. I hope this gets the coverage it deserves in the yellow snow, but I doubt it. Edited July 22, 2010 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ilovesumo 12 Posted July 22, 2010 Thought the very same. (Holiday feeling...) hope he's allright. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted July 22, 2010 FWIW, he had both knees wrapped for the match. Today's reinjured knee did not appear to be the one that has plagued him throughout his career. This may be a bit of the bright side. I would not be surprised if he went kyujo, but he has fought on following aggrevated knee injuries in the past. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,530 Posted July 22, 2010 FWIW, he had both knees wrapped for the match. Today's reinjured knee did not appear to be the one that has plagued him throughout his career. This may be a bit of the bright side. I would not be surprised if he went kyujo, but he has fought on following aggrevated knee injuries in the past. I honestly don't remember ever seeing a rikishi wheeled out who came back the next day. But, as you say, this is Aminishiki we're talking about.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Umigame 82 Posted July 22, 2010 This reminds me why I was never quite satisfied watching the World Cup these past few weeks. All those players putting on the mortally injured act in front of the referee... it makes me lose respect for them. Sumo seems to have the opposite values: act like you're okay, even when you're seriously injured. This approach has its drawbacks too. But given the choice of the two, I much prefer the sumo values. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,735 Posted July 22, 2010 It seemed he was favoring his ankle after the dive into the sunakaburi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bredoumi 0 Posted July 22, 2010 respect Aminishiki! I watched (and recorded) it online and then viewed the match step by step. Aminishiki has jumped into the stalls in order to let Tochinoshin touch dohyo first. He gave all for win, real sumo spirit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryafuji 815 Posted July 22, 2010 (edited) respect Aminishiki! I watched (and recorded) it online and then viewed the match step by step. Aminishiki has jumped into the stalls in order to let Tochinoshin touch dohyo first. He gave all for win, real sumo spirit. And what a contrast to Kotooshu immediately putting his hand down to break his fall against Kakuryu the other day. Edited July 22, 2010 by ryafuji Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted July 22, 2010 respect Aminishiki! I watched (and recorded) it online and then viewed the match step by step. Aminishiki has jumped into the stalls in order to let Tochinoshin touch dohyo first. He gave all for win, real sumo spirit. And what a contrast to Kotooshu immediately putting his hand down to break his fall against Kakuryu the other day. And yet Kotooshu is the ozeki. Maybe because he lives to fight another day? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sashohitowa 6 Posted July 22, 2010 While I was watching that episode, I had different thought in head. Apart from the respect to Aminishiki (which I have for quite some time already), I was amazed how unhelpful and careless the sumo people were. While he was laying on the floor after the fall, nobody came to give him a hand and help him maybe for a minute or so. The shimpan sitting right next to him, as well as the rikishi there (I think it was Homasho) didn't even look at him for that one minute. Then, while he was carried away (no wheelchair), he was asked to return - at least this was my understanding, and the surprised face of Ami kind of confirms that. So he had to follow all those rituals (mono-ii, walking up the dohyo, crouching to receive the win, and getting off the dohyo) - without anyone making even a little compromise with the rules, or at least giving him a helpful hand. Respect for Aminishiki - but everything else in that scene just made me sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,948 Posted July 22, 2010 While I was watching that episode, I had different thought in head. Apart from the respect to Aminishiki (which I have for quite some time already), I was amazed how unhelpful and careless the sumo people were.While he was laying on the floor after the fall, nobody came to give him a hand and help him maybe for a minute or so. The shimpan sitting right next to him, as well as the rikishi there (I think it was Homasho) didn't even look at him for that one minute. Then, while he was carried away (no wheelchair), he was asked to return - at least this was my understanding, and the surprised face of Ami kind of confirms that. So he had to follow all those rituals (mono-ii, walking up the dohyo, crouching to receive the win, and getting off the dohyo) - without anyone making even a little compromise with the rules, or at least giving him a helpful hand. Respect for Aminishiki - but everything else in that scene just made me sad. That wasn't my reading of what happened at all. Several rikishi tried to help him up, but he was in too much difficulty. Then Harumafuji came along and got him up. The only person that didn't move a muscle to help was the Shinpan, and when he did move it was only to join the mono-ii. He was then helped up the (wrong) hanamichi by the yobidashi towards the huge wheelchair, but as the result of the mono-ii was about to be announced, he insisted on returning to the dohyo to listen to the announcement, climbed into the ring to bow to his opponent and finish the job by giving chikara mizu to Kotooshu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,667 Posted July 22, 2010 Maybe somebody should have stopped him for his own good, but rikishi clearly aren't forced to climb back on to the dohyo (whether to acknowledge their win or their loss) if they're incapable of doing so. If Aminishiki did it, it's because he wanted to. Of course the whole thing with the wrong hanamichi was a bit sub-optimal... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted July 22, 2010 And it sounds like Aminishiki is going kyujo from tomorrow. Hope that Pyrrhic victory was worth it. Guess we'll have 3 Juryo rikishi per day coming up from day 14 onwards? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,735 Posted July 22, 2010 respect Aminishiki! I watched (and recorded) it online and then viewed the match step by step. Aminishiki has jumped into the stalls in order to let Tochinoshin touch dohyo first. He gave all for win, real sumo spirit. And what a contrast to Kotooshu immediately putting his hand down to break his fall against Kakuryu the other day. There was once a Sadogatake-beya rikishi who had the same spirit... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,049 Posted July 22, 2010 There was once a Sadogatake-beya rikishi who had the same spirit... Of course you know who did this to him: video Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted July 22, 2010 Today's reinjured knee did not appear to be the one that has plagued him throughout his career. Correction. Upon further review, it was his gamey leg that was injured. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,530 Posted July 22, 2010 Not Ken and not Tommy. No can crouch: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fay 1,677 Posted July 22, 2010 respect Aminishiki! I watched (and recorded) it online and then viewed the match step by step. Aminishiki has jumped into the stalls in order to let Tochinoshin touch dohyo first. He gave all for win, real sumo spirit. And what a contrast to Kotooshu immediately putting his hand down to break his fall against Kakuryu the other day. There was once a Sadogatake-beya rikishi who had the same spirit... Those were the times ... (In love...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycruiser 0 Posted July 23, 2010 respect Aminishiki! I watched (and recorded) it online and then viewed the match step by step. Aminishiki has jumped into the stalls in order to let Tochinoshin touch dohyo first. He gave all for win, real sumo spirit. And then compare this with the way Aran won on day 12! (In jonokuchi...) And he has been doing this for quite a while. What a looser! I hope it's not lost on the banzuke makers! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycruiser 0 Posted July 23, 2010 And then compare this with the way Aran won on day 12! (In jonokuchi...) Sorry, I meant Day 13, Friday's Henka day... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted July 24, 2010 respect Aminishiki! I watched (and recorded) it online and then viewed the match step by step. Aminishiki has jumped into the stalls in order to let Tochinoshin touch dohyo first. He gave all for win, real sumo spirit. And then compare this with the way Aran won on day 12! (In jonokuchi...) And he has been doing this for quite a while. What a looser! What's your definition of "looser"? Is it anything like "loser"? If so, then Aminishiki is makekoshi, and falling down the banzuke, while the only question about Aran is whether he will be promoted to komusubi or sekiwake. So if "looser" means "winner", then I agree! :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycruiser 0 Posted July 24, 2010 respect Aminishiki! I watched (and recorded) it online and then viewed the match step by step. Aminishiki has jumped into the stalls in order to let Tochinoshin touch dohyo first. He gave all for win, real sumo spirit. And then compare this with the way Aran won on day 12! (In jonokuchi...) And he has been doing this for quite a while. What a looser! What's your definition of "looser"? Is it anything like "loser"? If so, then Aminishiki is makekoshi, and falling down the banzuke, while the only question about Aran is whether he will be promoted to komusubi or sekiwake. So if "looser" means "winner", then I agree! :-) "Looser: Idiotic way of spelling "loser". Most often used by teens and adults with no more than a 2nd grade grammar level." That's me... Yes, I meant "loser". In my opinion, Aran sumo is not worthy of "sanhyaku"! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted July 24, 2010 respect Aminishiki! I watched (and recorded) it online and then viewed the match step by step. Aminishiki has jumped into the stalls in order to let Tochinoshin touch dohyo first. He gave all for win, real sumo spirit. And then compare this with the way Aran won on day 12! (In jonokuchi...) And he has been doing this for quite a while. What a looser! What's your definition of "looser"? Is it anything like "loser"? If so, then Aminishiki is makekoshi, and falling down the banzuke, while the only question about Aran is whether he will be promoted to komusubi or sekiwake. So if "looser" means "winner", then I agree! :-) "Looser: Idiotic way of spelling "loser". Most often used by teens and adults with no more than a 2nd grade grammar level." That's me... Yes, I meant "loser". In my opinion, Aran sumo is not worthy of "sanhyaku"! Maybe it would be nice if there were a "quality of victory" component, and you had to exceed a certain number before you would be allowed into sanyaku, regardless of one's win/loss record. But as of now, that is the only thing taken into account, so no opinions are necessary. Aminishiki will be a mid-level hiramaku rikishi, and Aran will be in sanyaku. Because Aminishiki tries a beautiful win at all costs, and because Aran takes his victories however he can get them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites