Gernobono 467 Posted September 17, 2010 hakuba won takamisakari with uwatedashinage hakuba on the ground, takamisakari standing with uwatedashinage i thought the loser would be in the dirt......VERY strange kimarite for this bout Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,192 Posted September 17, 2010 (edited) hakuba won takamisakari with uwatedashinagehakuba on the ground, takamisakari standing with uwatedashinage i thought the loser would be in the dirt......VERY strange kimarite for this bout Wow, Hakuba won? Indeed, you are right. Watching the bout on the stream I thought he lost... concerning the kimarite, uwatedashinage can very much result in the loser running out of the dohyo. The winner of course can fall down as long as he stays up long enough. So I actually won Seki-Quad today, that was lucky. Oh, and on the games topic: Did anyone notice the really high Sekitoto scores yesterday, when 24-9 wasn't enough to shiroboshi for most, and the best result an amazing 30-3? Edited September 17, 2010 by Doitsuyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 467 Posted September 17, 2010 So I actually won Seki-Quad today, that was lucky. Oh, and on the games topic: Did anyone notice the really high Sekitoto scores yesterday, when 24-9 wasn't enough to shiroboshi for most, and the best result an amazing 30-3? being on 24 yesterday, i noticed.... for the hakuba-bout: hakuba stepped on the tawara and NOT out..so was still in (not down) when takamisakari stepped out.... after announcing the sashi chigae takamisakari's jaw dropped to his chin.....could not believe it...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bredoumi 0 Posted September 17, 2010 hakuba stepped on the tawara and NOT out..so was still in (not down) when takamisakari stepped out.... actually, you're right, but at that moment Hakuba's body (almost completely excluding foots) was in the air and out of the ring. Doesn't it play any role? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,192 Posted September 17, 2010 hakuba stepped on the tawara and NOT out..so was still in (not down) when takamisakari stepped out.... actually, you're right, but at that moment Hakuba's body (almost completely excluding foots) was in the air and out of the ring. Doesn't it play any role? Well, if "Hakuba's body was in the air (except feet)", how was he in the air at all? Any sumo wrestler at any time is in the air except foot unless he already lost... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bredoumi 0 Posted September 17, 2010 (edited) Well, if "Hakuba's body was in the air (except feet)", how was he in the air at all? Any sumo wrestler at any time is in the air except foot unless he already lost... He was falling. His feet were touching dohyo inside the ring, the rest of his body was out, but still in the air at the moment when Takamisakari stepped out. I'll try to explain, what I mean. There is basic sumo rule "Who touches the ground first loses", but this rule is not absolute, since, tells Wiki, On rare occasions the referee or judges may award the win to the wrestler who touched the ground first; this happens if both wrestlers touch the ground at nearly the same time and it is decided that the wrestler who touched the ground second had no chance of winning as, due to the superior sumo of his opponent, he was already in an irrecoverable position. The losing wrestler is referred to as being shini-tai ( Edited September 17, 2010 by bredoumi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,192 Posted September 17, 2010 Well, if "Hakuba's body was in the air (except feet)", how was he in the air at all? Any sumo wrestler at any time is in the air except foot unless he already lost... He was falling. His feet were touching dohyo inside the ring, the rest of his body was out, but still in the air at the moment when Takamisakari stepped out. I'll try to explain, what I mean. There is basic sumo rule "Who touches the ground first loses", but this rule is not absolute, since, tells Wiki, On rare occasions the referee or judges may award the win to the wrestler who touched the ground first; this happens if both wrestlers touch the ground at nearly the same time and it is decided that the wrestler who touched the ground second had no chance of winning as, due to the superior sumo of his opponent, he was already in an irrecoverable position. The losing wrestler is referred to as being shini-tai ( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bredoumi 0 Posted September 17, 2010 The shini-tai rule is pretty much reserved to cases when the shini-tai rikishi is under the other rikishi and can't move the winner. When the winner then touches down first to save the opponent from an unpleasant flattening, he still gets the win.That isn't the case with Hakuba at all. He still touched the tawara and was indeed (very actively and lively, not dead at all) trying to stay "alive" longer than his opponent, and he succeeded. Simple as that. ok, thank you for the explanation. Hope, Takamisakari will not collapse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Washuyama 641 Posted September 17, 2010 after announcing the sashi chigae takamisakari's jaw dropped to his chin.....could not believe it...... I thought this was one of the funniest things I've ever seen in sumo. He looked like someone told his his dog died! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asameshimae 220 Posted September 17, 2010 (edited) When I was watching it, Hakuba really bugged me. As Hakuba was walking out of the dohyo, when it looked like Sakari had won, he didn't even turn around to bow toward Takamisakari and he just walked off the dohyo, down the steps. It threw Sakari off, who gave a quick bow to Hakuba's back and quickly got off himself. Admittedly, Hakuba probably noticed that there was going to be a mono-ii, but in my mind that is no excuse, both wrestlers still bow to one another at the end of the bout, regardless of anything else. Anybody else see this? Any edited version probably cuts this out, but that's what I saw live. Edited September 17, 2010 by Asanomeshi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,192 Posted September 17, 2010 When I was watching it, Hakuba really bugged me. As Hakuba was walking out of the dohyo, when it looked like Sakari had won, he didn't even turn around to bow toward Takamisakari and he just walked off the dohyo, down the steps. It threw Sakari off, who gave a quick bow to Hakuba's back and quickly got off himself. Admittedly, Hakuba probably noticed that there was going to be a mono-ii, but in my mind that is no excuse, both wrestlers still bow to one another at the end of the bout, regardless of anything else. Anybody else see this? Any edited version probably cuts this out, but that's what I saw live. The video in the other thread didn't cut that out, and Hakuba certainly noticed the mono-ii and not taking a bow then is pretty normal I think - after all the bout is not over. And I seriously doubt that Takamisakari can discern Hakuba's back from his front from across the dohyo without lenses so he just was thrown off by the realization that he has not won yet as he thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madorosumaru 7 Posted September 17, 2010 (edited) The photo below clearly shows that Takamisakari had stepped out before Hakuba landed. When the chief shimpan explained the mono-ii decision, he said that Hakuba's body was still "active" 体が残っており when Robo's foot went out. A very dejected Takamisakari told the press, "I saw Hakuba falling down and I relaxed. The oyakata, who were judging, made the decision so I'll just have to abide by it." Asked whether he saw Robo's expression when he heard he lost the bout, the fortunate victor Hakuba said, "No, I didn't see it. Did he really have that awful look of disappointment? I guess I'd better go apologize to him." Edited September 17, 2010 by madorosumaru Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harry 67 Posted September 17, 2010 Whenever there is a mono-ii, they get off the dohyo quickly and do NOT bow, never seen a bow in that situation. It does seem how odd they get out of there but it must be the rule of it so they don't try to influence the shimpan or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
