Doitsuyama 1,192 Posted September 17, 2010 No changes at the top of the makuuchi yusho leaderboard as Hakuho, Kotooshu and Yoshikaze to stay undefeated while only three rikishi improved to 5-1 with the high caliber sanyaku trio of Harumafuji, Baruto and Tochiozan. Yoshikaze had a very nice inashi at the end of a lively bout to let Bushuyama fight with air. Kotooshu just owned Kisenosato for his tenth consecutive win against the former "rival", and Hakuho finally tied Chiyonofuji's 53 win streak with an easy win over K-Shog. The yokozuna gets Kisenosato on the first middle weekend day to better the record and take a first step towards the lofty 69 win streak of Futabayama. Toyonoshima now is the sole juryo leader as Okinoumi and Shironoryu fell today for the first loss of the basho. Miyabiyama and Goeido also are sure bets so far with wins while Toyohibiki finally got his first win in a makuushi visit against struggling Tosanoumi. Struggling is also Chinese Nakanokuni, weirdly down to 0-6 despite being built well for juryo duty. In fact, before the basho he was 4-0 in his career in juryo visits. Day 6 Juryo J12w Takarafuji (2-4) hikiotoshi J13e Tochinowaka (3-3) J9w Hoshikaze (3-3) hikiotoshi J14e Ryuho (4-2) J8w Sadanofuji (4-2) tsukiotoshi J12e Nakanokuni (0-6) J7e Jumonji (2-4) oshidashi J10w Sagatsukasa (2-4) J7w Sakaizawa (3-3) hatakikomi J11w Shironoryu (5-1) J10e Asofuji (4-2) tottari J6e Wakakoyu (3-3) J6w Tamanoshima (4-2) yorikiri J9e Tokushinho (1-5) J5e Shotenro (5-1) kotenage J8e Okinoumi (5-1) J2e Miyabiyama (5-1) hikiotoshi J3e Hochiyama (1-5) J5w Sadanoumi (3-3) oshidashi J2w Wakatenro (2-4) J1e Goeido (4-2) shitatenage J4w Tamaasuka (4-2) J1w Toyonoshima (6-0) shitatenage J4e Kaisei (2-4) Makuuchi J3w Toyohibiki (1-5) hatakikomi M16w Tosanoumi (1-5) M14e Tochinonada (4-2) okuridashi M17e Toyozakura (2-4) M14w Tamawashi (3-3) oshidashi M15e Gagamaru (4-2) M15w Kakizoe (3-3) tsukiotoshi M13e Kasugao (3-3) M12w Takekaze (4-2) hatakikomi M16e Kyokunankai (2-4) M13w Sokokurai (3-3) yorikiri M10w Shimotori (2-4) M9e Kimurayama (4-2) hatakikomi M12e Koryu (1-5) M11w Yoshikaze (6-0) hikiotoshi M9w Bushuyama (2-4) M11e Kotokasuga (3-3) sukuinage M8e Kokkai (4-2) M7w Tosayutaka (3-3) oshidashi M10e Hokutoriki (1-5) M6w Asasekiryu (2-4) uwatenage M6e Mokonami (1-5) M5w Hakuba (3-3) uwatedashinage M5e Takamisakari (2-4) M4w Aminishiki (4-2) yorikiri M7e Kitataiki (4-2) M2e Homasho (1-5) yorikiri M4e Tokusegawa (3-3) K1w Kakuryu (3-3) yorikiri M1w Wakanosato (0-6) S1w Tochiozan (5-1) oshidashi M1e Tokitenku (0-6) O1e Harumafuji (5-1) oshidashi M3w Kyokutenho (2-4) M2w Tochinoshin (4-2) yorikiri O2w Kaio (3-3) O2e Baruto (5-1) oshidashi S1e Aran (2-4) O1w Kotooshu (6-0) yorikiri K1e Kisenosato (2-4) Y1e Hakuho (6-0) hatakikomi M3e Kotoshogiku (3-3) Day 7 Juryo J10e Asofuji (4-2) J11w Shironoryu (5-1) J13e Tochinowaka (3-3) J9w Hoshikaze (3-3) J9e Tokushinho (1-5) J12e Nakanokuni (0-6) J12w Takarafuji (2-4) J8w Sadanofuji (4-2) J10w Sagatsukasa (2-4) J7w Sakaizawa (3-3) J6e Wakakoyu (3-3) J14e Ryuho (4-2) J7e Jumonji (2-4) J5w Sadanoumi (3-3) J4e Kaisei (2-4) J8e Okinoumi (5-1) J6w Tamanoshima (4-2) J3w Toyohibiki (1-5) J3e Hochiyama (1-5) J5e Shotenro (5-1) J2e Miyabiyama (5-1) J2w Wakatenro (2-4) J4w Tamaasuka (4-2) J1w Toyonoshima (6-0) Makuuchi M16e Kyokunankai (2-4) J1e Goeido (4-2) M14e Tochinonada (4-2) M16w Tosanoumi (1-5) M15w Kakizoe (3-3) M13w Sokokurai (3-3) M17e Toyozakura (2-4) M12w Takekaze (4-2) M12e Koryu (1-5) M14w Tamawashi (3-3) M15e Gagamaru (4-2) M11w Yoshikaze (6-0) M11e Kotokasuga (3-3) M13e Kasugao (3-3) M10w Shimotori (2-4) M9w Bushuyama (2-4) M8e Kokkai (4-2) M10e Hokutoriki (1-5) M7e Kitataiki (4-2) M9e Kimurayama (4-2) M5e Takamisakari (2-4) M6w Asasekiryu (2-4) M7w Tosayutaka (3-3) M4w Aminishiki (4-2) M4e Tokusegawa (3-3) M6e Mokonami (1-5) M2e Homasho (1-5) M5w Hakuba (3-3) M1w Wakanosato (0-6) S1w Tochiozan (5-1) S1e Aran (2-4) M1e Tokitenku (0-6) M3w Kyokutenho (2-4) O1w Kotooshu (6-0) O1e Harumafuji (5-1) K1w Kakuryu (3-3) M3e Kotoshogiku (3-3) O2w Kaio (3-3) O2e Baruto (5-1) M2w Tochinoshin (4-2) Y1e Hakuho (6-0) K1e Kisenosato (2-4) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,664 Posted September 17, 2010 (edited) Struggling is also Chinese Nakanokuni, weirdly down to 0-6 despite being built well for juryo duty. In fact, before the basho he was 4-0 in his career in juryo visits. The magnitude may be a bit extreme, but struggling badly is not unusual for those rikishi who spent a long time in the very high makushita ranks before finally breaking through, is it? Yoshiazuma and Raiko come to mind. The pattern reminds me of all those one-time komusubi actually, where the sanyaku promotion is more the result of "well, it had to happen eventually if you're ranked in the maegashira-joi a dozen times" than of an actual improvement in skill. Edited September 17, 2010 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,192 Posted September 17, 2010 Aminishiki got his 550th career win today. On that note, Baruto had his 300th win yesterday and Kotooshu his 400th on day 1. And the next win for Aminishiki's brother Asofuji will be his 500th, while Toyonoshima is one win away from the 350 mark. Oh, and Baruto won his 200th makuuchi win today, while Kakizoe is only win short of 300 makuuchi wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bredoumi 0 Posted September 18, 2010 can anyone explain why NHK speaks about all time second place of Chiyonofuji (and now Hakuho) in the most consecutive wins list, while Wiki informs that this result is only fifth? Does one take into account different era? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted September 18, 2010 can anyone explain why NHK speaks about all time second place of Chiyonofuji (and now Hakuho) in the most consecutive wins list, while Wiki informs that this result is only fifth? Does one take into account different era? The others were not in the Modern Era. Thanks for the interesting Wiki link. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flohru 176 Posted September 18, 2010 Struggling is also Chinese Nakanokuni, weirdly down to 0-6 despite being built well for juryo duty. In fact, before the basho he was 4-0 in his career in juryo visits. The magnitude may be a bit extreme, but struggling badly is not unusual for those rikishi who spent a long time in the very high makushita ranks before finally breaking through, is it? Yoshiazuma and Raiko come to mind. The pattern reminds me of all those one-time komusubi actually, where the sanyaku promotion is more the result of "well, it had to happen eventually if you're ranked in the maegashira-joi a dozen times" than of an actual improvement in skill. I would still say that Nakanokuni's record until today's win is a surprise, simply because his opponents so far were not actually Juryo regulars (with the exception of struggling Sagatsukasa and Hoshikaze) but were promoted from Makushita just the last basho along with him. OTOH Yoshiazuma (who didn't actually do that badly in the first week back then) and Raiko were facing way tougher (= more experienced in terms of sekitori fights) opposition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiyozakura 148 Posted September 18, 2010 can anyone explain why NHK speaks about all time second place of Chiyonofuji (and now Hakuho) in the most consecutive wins list, while Wiki informs that this result is only fifth? Does one take into account different era? The others were not in the Modern Era. Thanks for the interesting Wiki link. Except for Futabayama the others were not really winning streaks but undefeated streaks. Back in the days many bouts were ruled hikiwake draws. For example in the January basho of 1880 Umegatani had no wins at all despite being in the middle of his winning streak. His result was four hikiwake and five (according to sumo reference six) absences. So talking about consecutive wins without draws or absences Hakuho now is indeed #2 after Futabayama. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryafuji 815 Posted September 18, 2010 (edited) can anyone explain why NHK speaks about all time second place of Chiyonofuji (and now Hakuho) in the most consecutive wins list, while Wiki informs that this result is only fifth? Does one take into account different era? The others were not in the Modern Era. Thanks for the interesting Wiki link. Except for Futabayama the others were not really winning streaks but undefeated streaks. Back in the days many bouts were ruled hikiwake draws. For example in the January basho of 1880 Umegatani had no wins at all despite being in the middle of his winning streak. His result was four hikiwake and five (according to sumo reference six) absences. So talking about consecutive wins without draws or absences Hakuho now is indeed #2 after Futabayama. The Wiki article does point that out, in a footnote. Edited September 18, 2010 by ryafuji Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bredoumi 0 Posted September 18, 2010 Back in the days many bouts were ruled hikiwake draws. For example in the January basho of 1880 Umegatani had no wins at all despite being in the middle of his winning streak. His result was four hikiwake and five (according to sumo reference six) absences. So talking about consecutive wins without draws or absences Hakuho now is indeed #2 after Futabayama. I see, thank you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,664 Posted September 18, 2010 I would still say that Nakanokuni's record until today's win is a surprise, simply because his opponents so far were not actually Juryo regulars (with the exception of struggling Sagatsukasa and Hoshikaze) IMO there's still quite a bit of difference between a guy like Nakanokuni who has been a regular Ms3-Ms8 dweller and guys like Sadanofuji or Tokushinho (ungenkiness and loss today notwithstanding) who've spent the last year 5-10 ranks higher on average. From among his seven opponents thus far, the only one I'd classify as "definitely not better than Nakanokuni" is Ryuho. Jury's still out on Shironoryu and Takarafuji, but given that they didn't get stuck in high makushita for a year and a half, my assumption is that they're at least at the Tokushinho level. On that note, I also disagree with Doitsuyama's initial assessment that Nakanokuni's struggles were surprising because he is built well for juryo - I don't think there's a material difference in physical requirements to survive in either lower juryo or the single-digit makushita ranks. That build didn't help him get to juryo any quicker, after all, so I have to conclude that it ultimately doesn't compensate for whatever shortcomings one may find in his sumo, no matter which division he's ranked in. (Good physical makeup didn't do much for Kotoyutaka recently, either.) Of course, this will be the cue for him to go on a Kirinowaka-like second week now, so I better get the tomato-throwing smiley ready again... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites