Fujisan 533 Posted April 6, 2011 Can we have a full list of retired rikishi from all divisions now please? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shumitto 418 Posted April 6, 2011 (edited) Can we have a full list of retired rikishi from all divisions now please? The list comprises the 19 names listed below plus Chiyohakuho and Enatsukasa who were given 2 year suspensions but have handed in their retirement papers. Tokusegawa Hakuba Kouryuu Kasugaou Moukonami Kotokasuga Shimotori Masatsukasa Asoufuji Sakaizawa Wakatenrou Kyokunankai Toyozakura Kiyoseumi Hoshihikari Juumonjiy Kirinowaka Shirononami Yamamotoyama Edited April 6, 2011 by shumitto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pippooshu 1 Posted April 6, 2011 Can we have a full list of retired rikishi from all divisions now please? The list comprises the 19 names listed below plus Chiyohakuho and Enatsukasa who were given 2 year suspensions but have handed in their retirement papers. Tokusegawa Hakuba Kouryuu Kasugaou Moukonami Kotokasuga Shimotori Masatsukasa Asoufuji Sakaizawa Wakatenrou Kyokunankai Toyozakura Kiyoseumi Hoshihikari Juumonjiy Kirinowaka Shirononami Yamamotoyama What's about Shotenro? Isn't there Kaiko or Jomei for him? (In a state of confusion...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted April 6, 2011 (edited) Thanks Shumitto... Thats the ignominious end to some long careers there..... Shame in every meaning of the word.... Edited April 6, 2011 by Fujisan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shumitto 418 Posted April 6, 2011 What's about Shotenro? Isn't there Kaiko or Jomei for him? (In a state of confusion...) On April, 4th some news emerged citing Shotenro as a possible involved. So far has denied everything and is off the hook... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted April 6, 2011 What's about Shotenro? Isn't there Kaiko or Jomei for him? (In a state of confusion...) On April, 4th some news emerged citing Shotenro as a possible involved. So far has denied everything and is off the hook... Not "off the hook". The investigation is still ongoing, and he is still under suspicion. I wonder what happened to the Kyokai's position of not letting people leave sumo until the investigations were completed? What if one the cell phones still being investigated held new information that would result in the need for further questioning, or somehow exonerated one of the rikishi that have already been forced out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,631 Posted April 6, 2011 Word is that the Kyokai is leaning towards having no official banzuke release for the May tournament, and distributing the daily schedules only to the arena audience with no prior public release. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,631 Posted April 6, 2011 The relapse prevention committee will convene tomorrow, fulfilling the "relapse prevention" part ... According to chairman Shimamura, reinstituting the kosho system will be under consideration in today's meeting in addition to the items they had previously settled on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryafuji 815 Posted April 7, 2011 What's about Shotenro? Isn't there Kaiko or Jomei for him? (In a state of confusion...) On April, 4th some news emerged citing Shotenro as a possible involved. So far has denied everything and is off the hook... Not "off the hook". The investigation is still ongoing, and he is still under suspicion. Actually I believe Shotenro was specifically found not guilty by the panel, although other rikishi such as Sokokurai and Hoshikaze are indeed still being investigated. The only text in which his name was mentioned actually says that he wasn't throwing bouts - Enatsukasa tells Chiyohakuho "the bout with Shotenro is for real." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,495 Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) Two of the dismissed Mongolians Hakuba and Hoshihikari came to visit the rijicho at the KKan for the last time today. They both appeared in suits. "I thanked him for taking care of us. It was a sudden intai so I still can't even think of what I want to do from here.." said Hakuba. They will be returning for a while to Mongolia, and then coming back for their danpatsushiki somewhere in Tokyo. Edited April 7, 2011 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) Mainichi reports that NHK will not do a live broadcast of the May Skill Test, on the grounds that it is not a Hon Basho, and thus is outside the terms of their contract. There was some consideration of doing it anyway for lifting the spirit of the people of Tohoku, but this viewpoint did not win out in the end. Mainichi estimates that this will directly result in the loss of about 1.4 billion yen of revenue for the Kyokai. Edited April 7, 2011 by Peterao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,495 Posted April 8, 2011 I would read this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted April 8, 2011 Actually I believe Shotenro was specifically found not guilty by the panel, although other rikishi such as Sokokurai and Hoshikaze are indeed still being investigated. You are correct. But now it seems that Sokokurai and Hoshikaze are about to be officially fingered as yaocho participants, and will also soon be forced out of sumo. I wonder if this is a desperate attempt to wrap things up and have a "real" Natsu Basho? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alaninjapan 18 Posted April 8, 2011 Mainichi reports that NHK will not do a live broadcast of the May Skill Test, on the grounds that it is not a Hon Basho, and thus is outside the terms of their contract. There was some consideration of doing it anyway for lifting the spirit of the people of Tohoku, but this viewpoint did not win out in the end. Mainichi estimates that this will directly result in the loss of about 1.4 billion yen of revenue for the Kyokai. Any idea if the sumo website stream will be on as after the baseball mess? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,631 Posted April 8, 2011 Mainichi reports that NHK will not do a live broadcast of the May Skill Test, on the grounds that it is not a Hon Basho, and thus is outside the terms of their contract. There was some consideration of doing it anyway for lifting the spirit of the people of Tohoku, but this viewpoint did not win out in the end. Mainichi estimates that this will directly result in the loss of about 1.4 billion yen of revenue for the Kyokai. Err, no. That total is for the entire decision to not have a proper honbasho, not NHK's refusal to broadcast it. (Why do the factual errors in your posts always just so happen to make the situation appear worse than it is?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,631 Posted April 8, 2011 Indeed, tomorrow's meeting by the investigation committee will reportedly recognize Sokokurai and Hoshikaze as yaocho participants and recommend intai advices for both, bringing the number of punished rikishi to 25. Some phone analysis will continue throughout the month, but unless new evidence is uncovered in the course of that, the investigation may be judged finished at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted April 8, 2011 (edited) (Why do the factual errors in your posts always just so happen to make the situation appear worse than it is?) If that's actually true, I'd say coincidence (though I prefer to call them "translation errors by an idiot in a hurry") Edited April 8, 2011 by Peterao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shumitto 418 Posted April 8, 2011 (...) the investigation may be judged finished at this point. Good if that happens. The investigation, however questionable, has got over 20 chaps to pack their bags. It's enough, and should they proceed virtually anyone will be found guilty. So better stop it as it stands and move along and forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted April 8, 2011 (edited) (...) the investigation may be judged finished at this point. Good if that happens. The investigation, however questionable, has got over 20 chaps to pack their bags. It's enough, and should they proceed virtually anyone will be found guilty. So better stop it as it stands and move along and forward. "Enough" to get all of the guilty parties? "Enough" to ensure that yaocho never happens again? "Enough" to be a nice milestone number of 25 that roughly seems appropriate? What is the goal that the current state of investigation is "enough" to have achieved? Edited April 8, 2011 by Peterao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shumitto 418 Posted April 8, 2011 (...) the investigation may be judged finished at this point. Good if that happens. The investigation, however questionable, has got over 20 chaps to pack their bags. It's enough, and should they proceed virtually anyone will be found guilty. So better stop it as it stands and move along and forward. "Enough" to get all of the guilty parties? "Enough" to ensure that yaocho never happens again? "Enough" to be a nice milestone number of 25 that roughly seems appropriate? What is the goal that the current state of investigation is "enough" to have achieved? Enough time without sumo. The "plan" (whose plan is it anyway) of getting all the guilty parties and eradicating yaocho for good is a pie in the sky. The most important is to keep the show going on and for that purpose the best is to get this investigation done and hold a basho ASAP unless one thinks this limbo does sumo any good... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treblemaker 254 Posted April 8, 2011 (...) the investigation may be judged finished at this point. Good if that happens. The investigation, however questionable, has got over 20 chaps to pack their bags. It's enough, and should they proceed virtually anyone will be found guilty. So better stop it as it stands and move along and forward. "Enough" to get all of the guilty parties? "Enough" to ensure that yaocho never happens again? "Enough" to be a nice milestone number of 25 that roughly seems appropriate? What is the goal that the current state of investigation is "enough" to have achieved? "Enough" is a word that just doesn't seem to fit here. "Enough" implies that there's more, but a "quota" has been met. This whole mess stinks like week-old diapers. Over-the-top punishments to some leaving others free and clear (when it's obvious that there was a pretty good whole-scale involvement in this) is Knee-Jerk reaction in the extreme. Seriously, anyone who really knows sumo and how it operates understands that this number of exiled men represents a very small percentage of those who should have been punished. It's also obvious that the list isn't finalized, and won't be. Action taken by the Kyokai amounts to lip-service, grace-saving, image-conscious, self-serving, chest-thumping bravado that no real company or organization, sport of not, would ever be seen doing. Can you see BP pulling the same stunt after the oil spill? ("I think we've punished enough execs and engineers, that should do it.") Or does this only happen in Japan? (As I keep getting reminded not to see/judge events and reactions puzzling to my Western Eyes.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted April 8, 2011 (...) the investigation may be judged finished at this point. Good if that happens. The investigation, however questionable, has got over 20 chaps to pack their bags. It's enough, and should they proceed virtually anyone will be found guilty. So better stop it as it stands and move along and forward. What is the goal that the current state of investigation is "enough" to have achieved? Enough time without sumo. Irrelevant. You were still going to get sumo in May regardless of the state of the investigation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,631 Posted April 8, 2011 Remember the early story about a rikishi telling the committee that his phone broke when his wife stepped on it? Apparently the rikishi in question did submit the broken phone - and analysis yielded internal damage consistent with a screwdriver or similar instrument being jammed into the phone. Oops. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hakuyobaku 33 Posted April 8, 2011 unicorn and fawn wife Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peterao 3 Posted April 8, 2011 Remember the early story about a rikishi telling the committee that his phone broke when his wife stepped on it? Apparently the rikishi in question did submit the broken phone - and analysis yielded internal damage consistent with a screwdriver or similar instrument being jammed into the phone. Oops. Must have been a wayward toenail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
