Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted January 27, 2003 Hi, Are you sure he actually connected to the eye with that roundhouse? I've seen the fight video a couple of times, and I'm not sure either way. I think there was definitely contact, but Kotomitsuki also stepped to the side very quickly and Takanowaka fell hard. I think his face fell right on the dohyo boundary thing (is that hay? clay? I don't know what the material is) and that's how his eye got cut... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted January 27, 2003 the dohyo boundary thing (is that hay? clay? I don't know what the material is) They are halfway submerged rice straw bales, proper name: Tawara :) Cheers Zenjimoto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted January 27, 2003 Btw, my guess is that Kotomitsuki just really hit him in the right spot. As I look at the bout, it seems Takanowaka was out before he hit the ground. Will go back and look at the replays. What stuck to my mind, though, was the coldness with which Mickey turned away, staring unmoved accross the dohyo, while Takanowaka was almost unconscious, and bleeding badly, with other people scrambling to come to his aid. Can I just say, I was very disappointed with that response. At the very least, after you beat the crap out of somebody and the person is visibly hurt, you could show SOME concern. I wasn't particularly fond of Kotomitsuki before anyways, but let's just say, this sure didn't exactly help his popularity with me :( Cheers Zenjimoto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted January 27, 2003 Are you sure he actually connected to the eye with that roundhouse? I've seen the fight video a couple of times, and I'm not sure either way. I think there was definitely contact, but Kotomitsuki also stepped to the side very quickly and Takanowaka fell hard. I think his face fell right on the dohyo boundary thing (is that hay? clay? I don't know what the material is) and that's how his eye got cut... Oh, he definetly connected with that right. If you watch the video, pay close attention at the very beginning of the bout. Mickey's first move as they come out of the tachi ai at each other is the blow to the face. It happens really quick, but you can see Taka's head jerk back as contact is made. After that, Taka is pretty much out on his feet, stumbling forward and landing over the bales with a helpful push from Kotomitsuki. Taka apparently suffered the following injuries (as reported on the SML): 1. Left knee sprained (Which probably happened when he fell) 2. Got five stitches on the left upper eyelid (Ouch!) and 3. Will have thorough examinations on 27th - today! I wish him the best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted January 28, 2003 They are halfway submerged rice straw bales, proper name: Tawara :) The nitpicker strikes again! (Devilish thought) hyo, rice bundle, 66 of these are used for forming tawara and kenngamine tawara, circle acting as the boundary of dohyo, formed by embedded hyo, see toku-dawara, janome, fumi-dawara, kenngamine, nijuudohyo kenngamine, edge of the dohyo, see kado-dawara, fumi-dawara, shio-kago, janome, hyo, agedawara For the bored see the glossary for the terms mentioned above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted January 28, 2003 Interesting that there are 66 Hyo in the Tawara... the number of Sekitori... a coincidence?? Cheers Zenjimoto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exil 301 Posted January 28, 2003 Interesting that there are 66 Hyo in the Tawara... the number of Sekitori... a coincidence?? ...or a conspiracy? (Looks around...) (Laughing...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted January 29, 2003 Hi, Thank you for the explanation Kotoseiya Yuichi and Zenjimoto. Every time I look at the glossary I learn something new... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,185 Posted January 29, 2003 Well, for once hy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshifransu 0 Posted February 2, 2003 About Takanowaka Vs. Kotomitsuki's bout, Mike Wesemann from www.sumotalk.com has just posted the part II of his interesting (after basho) Roundtable and he wrote this : "Kotomitsuki just leveled Takanowaka with a right hand to the jaw and an equally mean head butt to boot" He hadded he's really been disappointed by both sekiwake : "The two Sekiwake, Takanowaka and Kotomitsuki, both turned in decent 9-6 records; however, that wipes their slates clean as far as any Ozeki hopes. (...) I can't wait for round two in March. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshifransu 0 Posted February 2, 2003 Oh yeah, he's also the first Makuuchi rikishi from Korea Outstanding news I've just learned today, thanks to Tony-zeki, Kinkaiyama is in fact Korean too ! Would you believe it ? He's born in Nagasaki, but there exists a Nagasaki in Korea too ! And a good proof is the good web site of Masumi Abe, for the gaijin special page. Well, well, well, I've got to change my Juryo home page with that outstanding info ... All this time I followed Kinkaiyama and I didn't know this. You knew this ? We'll have to write to Mike too and to Moti, except if he read this (for their web sites). Really really amazing news ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshifransu 0 Posted February 2, 2003 We'll have to write to Mike too In fact, I will make it ... only if Kinkaiyama is not the answer to Yubiquitoyama-zeki's first question to the Stump the Experts' game ... and to keep U 100 percent chances to stump them (which is on a good way - very good hard questions, you know) It is not ? It is ? May I ? May I not ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshifransu 0 Posted February 2, 2003 Kinkaiyama is in fact Korean too ! I'm still very amazed by this. Did he change his citizenship to a Japanese one (*) or is he really still South-Korean !? I can't still believe it ! (Oh my god...) (*) Because, you know, you've got to be Japanese to rule your heya, in the future. That's what "Jesse" Takamiyama was the first to do in the past to become the first foreign stable master and he had to leave his American citizenship to become Japanese ... (and it's written on the net, everywhere, about that, he had a difficult choice because he really wanted to remain American but he had to do it or nothing) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted February 2, 2003 "The two Sekiwake, Takanowaka and Kotomitsuki, both turned in decent 9-6 records; however, that wipes their slates clean as far as any Ozeki hopes. (...)I can't wait for round two in March. Neither of these two rikishi is impressing me right now." I don't understand why he finds Takanowaka unimpressive. Kotomitsuki yes, but Takanowaka? Taka's been doing the best sumo of his career over the last few basho. He's not an Ozeki candidate yet, but he certainly isn't a letdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted February 2, 2003 I don't understand why he finds Takanowaka unimpressive. Kotomitsuki yes, but Takanowaka?Taka's been doing the best sumo of his career over the last few basho. He's not an Ozeki candidate yet, but he certainly isn't a letdown. Yes, I agree. I have been very impressed with Takanowaka the last few basho and the Hatsu basho was hardly a step in the wrong direction although it ended 9-6. I really hope Kotomitsuki can get going again though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted February 2, 2003 We'll have to write to Mike too In fact, I will make it ... only if Kinkaiyama is not the answer to Yubiquitoyama-zeki's first question to the Stump the Experts' game ... and to keep U 100 percent chances to stump them (which is on a good way - very good hard questions, you know) It is not ? It is ? May I ? May I not ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,116 Posted February 2, 2003 Outstanding news I've just learned today, thanks to Tony-zeki, Kinkaiyama is in fact Korean too !We'll have to write to Mike too and to Moti, except if he read this (for their web sites). Really really amazing news ... (Hehe...) (Exclamation) Nonsense.Kinkaiyama is listed as Nagasaki shusshin (origin). He is Korean, but that has no bearing, since the serious sites list the gaijin by shusshin, or the Kyokai's version. Hence, he is not listed as a foreigner. Of course we knew this..elementary. Read any publication and news stories-there are 52 foreigners, just like my site says. Kinkaiyama is not one of them. Now, I'll let you in on another secret.. There are two more full-fledged foreigners listed as Japanese: Jonidan 84 Wakatenyuu who is Korean/Chinese, and Jonidan 70 Brazilian Araki. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,116 Posted February 2, 2003 I know the answer. Yubi, should I shut up? He was actually a very good friend of my father back in the late 50s.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted February 3, 2003 I know the answer. Yubi, should I shut up? He was actually a very good friend of my father back in the late 50s.. Well, it isn't that hard (those who have read the mailing list a few years probably knows the answer) and Mike already suggested in an e-mail he knew the answer to questions one and three, so I suppose you could enlighten those here who doesn't know... Friend of your father? Coool!!! (Laughing...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,116 Posted February 3, 2003 Ok.. Gohere andhere andhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshifransu 0 Posted February 3, 2003 Thanks for the answers ! I put a Sth-Korean flag to Kinkaiyama yesterday on the JG's main page and so, I have to put the Japanese flag back ... What a story ... And it's strange too that Kinkaiyama's real name is Ryusui Matsuyama, which is typically japanese, as concerns Matsuyama, about Ryusui, I don't know ... Strange things indeed ... And Mr Abe still considering Kinkaiyama is Korean on his very last Hatsu Basho page, so if there is someone to be e-mailed, it's certainly Mr Abe. I follow his site and Kintamayama's (though I prefer Kintamayama's for the precious details like "+ = Japanese citizenship or %=No Make-koshi" and for the colors of course) and both make a huge daily work (on their own time) during the basho ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted February 3, 2003 Thanks for the answers !I put a Sth-Korean flag to Kinkaiyama yesterday on the JG's main page and so, I have to put the Japanese flag back ... What a story ... And it's strange too that Kinkaiyama's real name is Ryusui Matsuyama, which is typically japanese, as concerns Matsuyama, about Ryusui, I don't know ... Strange things indeed ... And Mr Abe still considering Kinkaiyama is Korean on his very last Hatsu Basho page, so if there is someone to be e-mailed, it's certainly Mr Abe. I follow his site and Kintamayama's (though I prefer Kintamayama's for the precious details like "+ = Japanese citizenship or %=No Make-koshi" and for the colors of course) and both make a huge daily work (on their own time) during the basho ! (Hehe...) Both Mr Abe and Moti (as seen above) is aware of the facts behind this, but have two different ways of handling the situation. I am not aware of the actual family situation of Kinkaiyama (I think he has a korean father and japanese mother but I'm not sure), but he also has a korean name, Kin, which is the reason of his shikona, and which he used at the beginning of his career (I think). There are other similar cases out there, and I think there was a brazilian who have used both "brazil" and a japanese prefecture as shusshin during his career (which I'm sure Moti remembers more about). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,116 Posted February 3, 2003 Abe-san points out all foreigners, regardless of shusshin. BUT, he differenciates: in the fourth column, if it's an f (not an F) he is a foreigner whose shusshin is Japanese, like Kinkaiyama. You will see there about 6-7 rikishi, two of whom I have mentioned earlier.. And the guy Yubi was referring to is Azumaou from Sandanme. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
