The Graph

[yorikiried by fate 2,028]

I somehow don't find the thread anymore, where I originally posted the link to this graph that I did. Anyhow, there's an update and I wanted to make you aware.

Find it in the land of (almost) unrestricted attachment sizes.

[yorikiried by fate 2,028]

A push for the update. Hatsu and Haru brought a new yusho winner and a new Ozeki. That's why.

If you would kindly follow me into this conveniently lonely log cabin?

[yorikiried by fate 2,028]

There have been quite some events in 2012, so it's high noon for providing an update of the graph.

As always, I have to redirect you to a place with less restrictive upload policies.

Just make sure to loudly say "Yaocho is just an SMS away!" three times, before you click the link.

Edited November 27, 2012 by yorikiried by fate

[kuroimori 1,634]

World of WarGraph...

This file is the beast!

[Bugman 384]

I am intrigued, i am willing to show my stupidity and ask in embarrassment, what the heck is this? I see the words "yaocho" and a strip of information that looks like it was peeled off a baked-bean can, but it has rikishi names on it! Have mercy and explain! You know i'm numerically challenged. :-)

[yorikiried by fate 2,028]

The yaocho line was a feeble attempt on entertainment, what with the link leading over to Sumotalk - my forum of origin and infamous forge of many a conspiracy. The picture is a small part of the actual file, which you will find as a downloadable PDF after going with the link.

Everything else is explained in the file.

[yorikiried by fate 2,028]

(I am going off-topic...)

Hey, I'm sekitori sanyaku!

Edited November 28, 2012 by yorikiried by fate

[Jakusotsu 5,969]

Hey, I'm sekitori!

Yes, even before you became sanyaku. B-)

[yorikiried by fate 2,028]

What's worse than botching a stroll off topic?

[yorikiried by fate 2,028]

Another year has passed. Who would have thunk?

There's a parcel for you waiting at the derelict warehouse down the road.

[yorikiried by fate 2,028]

In the town (Band playing...) where I was born (Punk rocker...) is a file dumped (Band playing...) needs to be seen (Punk rocker...) it's pretty big (Band playing...) and pretty cool (Punk rocker...) just like a yellow (Band playing...) submarine.

[FWIW: Kyushu 2014 was the first banzuke since January 2001, where there were at least as many yusho shared by active rikishi than there were foreigners on the banzuke.]

[Ack! 465]

Interesting trend that the overall number of foreigners in sumo is on the decline but the number of foreign sektori still seems to be rising. The latter will not be sustainable if the former continues.

[Mongolith 51]

Interesting trend that the overall number of foreigners in sumo is on the decline but the number of foreign sektori still seems to be rising. The latter will not be sustainable if the former continues.

Only declining as they changed the definition of foreign to foreign born a couple years back. Used to be that if one of the foreign rikishi took Japanese citizenship that would re-open the foreign slot for that beya. That is why Beya like Minato are so selective and rejected several other foreign candidates while they waited for Ichinojo to turn pro. Guessing if a foreigner is not moving up the ranks quickly the beya may encourage them to leave so they can get a more promising candidate in.

[Jakusotsu 5,969]

Guessing if a foreigner is not moving up the ranks quickly the beya may encourage them to leave so they can get a more promising candidate in.

I've never heard of something like that. Ever. Otherwise Amuru or Takanoyama would have never made it to Sekitori, and Masutoo would be long back in Hungary.

[Mongolith 51]

Guessing if a foreigner is not moving up the ranks quickly the beya may encourage them to leave so they can get a more promising candidate in.

I've never heard of something like that. Ever. Otherwise Amuru or Takanoyama would have never made it to Sekitori, and Masutoo would be long back in Hungary.

I think I was putting myself in the stable master's shoe and guessing what I would do if the foreigner I picked was a bit of a dud. Nothing more than an assumption and a poor one at that. Being a non-sekitori has to be pretty rough as Kyokutenho and other mongolians ran away when they first joined a beya. Also konishki stated in his interview how much his lifestyle sucked until he blazed up the ranks. I know I read somewhere (maybe wiki, can't recall) that the difference between makushita and Juryo is like heaven and hell. *Guessing the majority of foreigners get weeded out if they struggle up the ranks other than those notable exceptions.

*There I go making assumptions again.

[Kintamayama 45,116]

Guessing if a foreigner is not moving up the ranks quickly the beya may encourage them to leave so they can get a more promising candidate in.

I've never heard of something like that. Ever. Otherwise Amuru or Takanoyama would have never made it to Sekitori, and Masutoo would be long back in Hungary.

Oh, there have been-maybe not the cases you mention but Shibatayama was accused of trying to get rid of Daiyuubu, and I remember other cases where foreign rikishi started acquiring citizenships at the behest of their oyakatas till the rule change. I'm old so I don't remember specifics, but I remember some foreign fans close to sumo telling some interesting tales regarding exactly this.

[Asashosakari 19,320]

Only declining as they changed the definition of foreign to foreign born a couple years back.

That didn't help, but the main driver is that there are about 10 fewer stables now than there were some 10 years ago. In addition, quite a few of the foreigners who came in during the last major recruiting drive in the early 2000s are still around, mainly because "greater success than the average Japanese deshi" also means their careers last longer on average.

[Asashosakari 19,320]

Oh, there have been-maybe not the cases you mention but Shibatayama was accused of trying to get rid of Daiyuubu...

That wasn't based on performance though, Daiyubu was his highest-ranked rikishi at the time and had recently made it to juryo.

[Asameshimae 220]

Only declining as they changed the definition of foreign to foreign born a couple years back.

That didn't help, but the main driver is that there are about 10 fewer stables now than there were some 10 years ago. In addition, quite a few of the foreigners who came in during the last major recruiting drive in the early 2000s are still around, mainly because "greater success than the average Japanese deshi" also means their careers last longer on average.

I often correct people's (Japanese and non-Japanese) assumption that sumo is loaded with foreigners. I explain there are only about 40 in a crop of well over 600, but that the foreigners often make the upper ranks (for various reasons). They are usually quite surprised.

Edited December 5, 2014 by Asameshimae

[yorikiried by fate 2,028]

After skipping a yearly update last year (and getting generally estranged from the action of the World Sumo Federation) I found myself having a lazy afternoon. So warm up the plotters, here it comes!

 

Supermegahypersumograph (post Kyushu 16)

 

Compiling the update, I noticed the following about the two previous years:

 

• In January 2015 there were more accumulated Makuuchi yusho (40) on the banzuke than it held foreigners (39, all divisions). This was the first time this happened since January 2001, which is the basho after which Akebono retired. In his last basho the banzuke was worth 46 Makuuchi yusho trumping the number of foreigners (30) easily. The next banzuke, though, did not only lose Akebono's 11 yusho, foreigners also saw the biggest one basho increment ever (+8). That's that.
• Additionally, Kyushu 2016 saw the lowest number of foreigners on the banzuke (36) since the same January 2001 (30). It seems to be a slow trend, judging from the graph alone.
• Finally, Kyushu 2016 also broke the old "Most Makuuchi yusho on the banzuke" record, pushing the number to 50. The old record (49) was set in March 2000, just before Wakanohana III. retired. The new record will increase now basho by basho until a former champion retires.

 

If you don't have any idea what I'm talking about, download the file an read the in document explanation.

 

PS.: The new forum version still sucks.

Edited December 1, 2016 by yorikiried by fate

[kuroimori 1,634]

Yes! The Graph is back - and hopefully you as well.

Amazing visualization!

P.S.: I second your thoughts on the new forum version. 

[orandashoho 720]

Wow, that is some superior infographic you've created here. Hats off to you!

[Nantonoyama 252]

I just discovered this file, this is very impressive, congrats!

And thank you for all information provided, some are really interesting!

[gijo 27]

Wow. Many many thanks.

[yorikiried by fate 2,028]

5 hours ago, Nantonoyama said:

I just discovered this file, this is very impressive, congrats!

And thank you for all information provided, some are really interesting!

Well, to you and others: You're welcome.

Concerning the info: If you mean the info in the graph, that's all derived from the Doitsubase, so praise Doitsuyama if you are not already doing that.