Naganoyama 5,910 Posted December 6, 2016 I have tried to capture all the heya openings and closures from 2000 onwards on my website. Click 'Summary' on the top menu line. The summary view has a double list down the left-hand side. Click on '2002', say, for a summary of the heya at the start of the year and click on 'Changes' to see heya closures (in red), new heya opening (in green) and the various other movements and changes. 12 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,659 Posted October 2, 2018 Original post has been updated following the closure of Takanohana-beya, plus the retirements of Maeta and Aokishin after the Aki basho. 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,050 Posted October 2, 2018 Why did the previous Tagonoura-beya rikishi end up in two different heya? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,659 Posted September 30, 2019 I've updated the top post following the closure of Izutsu-beya, and removed the Isegahama-beya entry as there are no survivors left (quoted below for posterity). In addition, when Hamamiryu retired recently it occurred to me that there were still four active rikishi who originally made their debut in Mihogaseki-beya but then branched out with either Kise-beya or Onoe-beya. I came to consider them as survivors of a closed heya, so I've added them to the Mihogaseki entry as "survivors remaining via branch-out". On 05/02/2012 at 02:13, Yubinhaad said: Isegahama-beya (previous generation) - Closed February 2007. Two survivors moved to Kiriyama-beya - Closed January 2011. Same two survivors moved to Asahiyama-beya - Closed January 2015. One survivor moved to Isegahama-beya (current generation). No survivors remaining. Daiisshin - Retired after 2019 HatsuManazuru - Retired after 2015 Hatsu 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,309 Posted October 1, 2019 12 hours ago, Yubinhaad said: I've updated the top post following the closure of Izutsu-beya, and removed the Isegahama-beya entry as there are no survivors left (quoted below for posterity). In addition, when Hamamiryu retired recently it occurred to me that there were still four active rikishi who originally made their debut in Mihogaseki-beya but then branched out with either Kise-beya or Onoe-beya. I came to consider them as survivors of a closed heya, so I've added them to the Mihogaseki entry as "survivors remaining via branch-out". I believe that Ounabara counts for Izutsu the same way then - the DB seems to be missing the fact that Shikoroyama-beya was only opened after his maezumo basho (and that of another Hatsu 2004 debutant who is already retired). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,659 Posted August 16, 2020 I've updated the first post with the closure of Nakagawa-beya; due to the unprecedented dispersal of the survivors I decided to write that entry in a different way to any others (and have altered the Kasugayama entry to match). With Arawashi having retired earlier in the year I've also removed the Araiso-beya entry, quoted below for posterity. (Note that there are still survivors only of the Hanakago-beya closure and that entry remains in the post.) On 05/02/2012 at 02:13, Yubinhaad said: ==================Araiso-beya - Closed September 2008. One survivor moved to Hanakago-beya - Closed May 2012. Same survivor moved to Minezaki-beya. No survivors remaining. Arawashi - Retired after 2020 Hatsu ================== 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,659 Posted April 15, 2021 The top post has been updated following the closure of Azumazeki-beya and Minezaki-beya after the 2021 Haru basho. 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,659 Posted July 23, 2021 Top post updated with the closure of Kagamiyama-beya (and a few shikona changes and retirement annotations that I had forgotten about). I think the last time there were 41 extant heya was for a three-month period in 1989. The number will return to 42 next month when the new Araiso-beya branches out. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenneth Minami 66 Posted July 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Yubinhaad said: Top post updated with the closure of Kagamiyama-beya (and a few shikona changes and retirement annotations that I had forgotten about). I think the last time there were 41 extant heya was for a three-month period in 1989. The number will return to 42 next month when the new Araiso-beya branches out. There definitely were 42 in about 2015. 41 - I think, no. Oh, my memory … i wish I could check it somehow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamitsuumi 399 Posted July 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kenneth Minami said: There definitely were 42 in about 2015. 41 - I think, no. Oh, my memory … i wish I could check it somehow You can check through the kabu list on sumodb: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Kabu.aspx?year=2015&month=1&day=1 Open Dev Tools and search for "<strong>"; this works since all the stablemasters have their kabu in bold. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,910 Posted July 24, 2021 7 hours ago, Kenneth Minami said: There definitely were 42 in about 2015. 41 - I think, no. Oh, my memory … i wish I could check it somehow Or you could go to Sumo A-Z and click on Summary at the top of the page. Click on the year to see the number of heya at the start of the year and Changes to see closures et cetera during the year. 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,309 Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Kenneth Minami said: There definitely were 42 in about 2015. 41 - I think, no. Oh, my memory … i wish I could check it somehow FWIW, at the time of the Azumazeki and Minezaki closures: On 10/03/2021 at 00:43, Asashosakari said: If this [Azumazeki] closure comes to pass alongside the one affecting Minezaki next month we'll be down to 42 active heya, which if I'm not mistaken will be the lowest heya count since January 1990. (A total of 43 has been seen briefly a handful of times since 2013, after their number had cratered from 50+ in a few short years.) Edit: And filling in the blanks for future triviaing... 39 extant heya up to Kyushu 1988 40 for Hatsu 1989 with the creation of Minezaki-beya 41 for Haru 1989 with the creation of Naruto-beya 42 for Natsu 1989 to Hatsu 1990 with the creation of Kabutoyama-beya (Haru 1990 saw Matsugane and Tamanoi come into existence after which it didn't go back down to 42 until recently as mentioned.) Edited July 24, 2021 by Asashosakari 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,309 Posted July 24, 2021 @Naganoyama A few gremlins seem to have gotten into http://heyaaz.nagioff.com/Summary/Heya/2020.html whose 48 heya shown include Izutsu, Takanohana and Tokiwayama listed with 0 rikishi. (Wanted to PM, but didn't go through.) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,910 Posted July 24, 2021 Thanks. I thought I'd fixed that, but it's always more useful if you actually upload the fix... (Of course Takanohana Beya closed at the end of 2018 and Izutsu at the end of 2019. Chiganoura Beya didn't become Tokiwayama Beya until December 2020. The zeros were in fact correct but the entries should have been filtered out) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shimodahito 315 Posted July 25, 2021 I quietly enjoy this thread! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,659 Posted March 13, 2022 I forgot to mention at the time that the top post was updated to include the closure of Oguruma-beya last month. I was reminded by today's results, which saw Hienriki get the first win for the new Oshiogawa-beya... 17 years after getting the last win for the old one. 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,659 Posted April 4, 2024 The top post has been updated with the addition of Miyagino-beya and Michinoku-beya. I will shortly remove the Nakamura-beya entry following the retirement of its final survivor in January. Quoted here for posterity: On 05/02/2012 at 02:13, Yubinhaad said: Nakamura-beya - Closed December 2012. Five survivors transferred to Azumazeki-beya - Closed April 2021. One survivor transferred to Hakkaku-beya. Mitozakura - Retired after 2024 Hatsu Byakko - Retired after 2020 July Fujihisashi - Retired after 2020 Hatsu Hishofuji - Retired after 2017 Hatsu Tokizakura - Retired after 2013 Natsu No survivors remaining. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,659 Posted Wednesday at 20:20 With the retirements of Kyokutaisei and Terunofuji, there are no remaining rikishi from the old Oshima-beya and Magaki-beya. Those entries will shortly be removed from the top post, which has been updated to account for other retirements and shikona changes. Also worth noting that Aoiyama's retirement means the end of the Kasugano branch of survivors from the old Tagonoura-beya, however that entry stays put as the Dewanoumi branch still has two active rikishi. On 05/02/2012 at 02:13, Yubinhaad said: Oshima-beya - Closed April 2012. Seven survivors transferred to Tomozuna-beya, later renamed Oshima-beya. Kyokutaisei - Retired after 2024 Kyushu Kyokuhozan - Retired after 2022 Aki Kyokushuho - Retired after 2022 Hatsu Asahisho - Retired after 2021 Natsu Kyokuhikari - Retired after 2018 Haru Kyokutenho - Retired after 2015 Nagoya Kyokuryuo - Retired after 2014 Hatsu No survivors remaining. On 05/02/2012 at 02:13, Yubinhaad said: Magaki-beya - Closed March 2013. Three survivors transferred to Isegahama-beya. Terunofuji - Retired after 2025 Hatsu Shunba - Retired after 2019 Natsu Wakaaoba - Retired after 2014 Hatsu No survivors remaining. 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryoshishokunin 286 Posted Wednesday at 20:54 The 'branch out' explanations are somewhat unclear in the OP--I assume that unless listed explicitly they're survivors from a branch-out pre-closure of a stable that later closed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,659 Posted Wednesday at 21:17 19 minutes ago, Ryoshishokunin said: The 'branch out' explanations are somewhat unclear in the OP--I assume that unless listed explicitly they're survivors from a branch-out pre-closure of a stable that later closed? Correct. To use Mihogaseki-beya as an example, Kaorufuji is a direct survivor as he was there at the time it closed. Higohikari is a survivor via branch out with Kise-beya, which was some years earlier. Would it make things a bit clearer if I add the branch out dates to the relevant entries? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryoshishokunin 286 Posted Wednesday at 22:25 1 hour ago, Yubinhaad said: Correct. To use Mihogaseki-beya as an example, Kaorufuji is a direct survivor as he was there at the time it closed. Higohikari is a survivor via branch out with Kise-beya, which was some years earlier. Would it make things a bit clearer if I add the branch out dates to the relevant entries? Yes, I think so. Even just 'survive via an earlier branch-out to nantokanantoka-beya' would make it clearer, but the dates would be nice. The branching-out history is also poorly kept, as far as I can tell, so I couldn't figure out where to look it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
