Nagoya Basho 2012 - General Discussion Thread

[Vikanohara 171]

To me it was 3x close, but just not. But a deserved victory for Masakaze no matter what.

[Senkoho 552]

who accompanied Hakuho during the dohyo-iri on day 13?

[Kintamayama 45,137]

What went wrong here ?

http://www.youtube.c...XASI?autoplay=1

Yoshiazuma didn't step outside, did he ?

If he did, I think it was with his right heel at 0:16 in the clip... Hard to know from the angle if the gyoji stopped the bout on his own or got a sign from the East-side shimpan, BTW.

Yoshiazuma didn't step outside, did he ?

Yes, he did. At 0:14.

It really doesn't look to me like the gyoji is reacting to that attempt, and even for a gyoji-by-shimpan decision it seems too slow, IMO.

I've looked at it a million times and still don't see where he stepped out. At some point his foot is over the bales but in the air, but never touched down outside. Slo mo and all.

[kuroimori 1,634]

who accompanied Hakuho during the dohyo-iri on day 13?

Kaisei & Kyokutenho - but I am not 100% sure - and dunno who was the dew sweeper and the sword bearer

[Asashosakari 19,331]

I've looked at it a million times and still don't see where he stepped out. At some point his foot is over the bales but in the air, but never touched down outside. Slo mo and all.

In my recording, I seem to see a little dust being kicked up by his right heel at 0:16 outside the dohyo, but that could just as well be a video artifact... What I'm pretty sure of is that the dust being kicked up by his left foot at 0:16 came from inside the dohyo though, but maybe it tricked the gyoji? Can't say I see anything except a hovering heel at 0:14, but it's really hard to tell there, too.

Edited July 20, 2012 by Asashosakari

[Yubinhaad 11,697]

who accompanied Hakuho during the dohyo-iri on day 13?

Kaisei & Kyokutenho - but I am not 100% sure - and dunno who was the dew sweeper and the sword bearer

[Senkoho 552]

thanks!

[oliver 11]

I've just caught up with Days 8-13 today - as the previous commenter said, not the best basho but not the worst either. Quick questions for more experienced fans:

- What's wrong with Kak? He's gone off the boil since that amazing run a couple basho back. Injury? Other guys figured out his moves? lack of confidence?

- Kintayama made a comment in his video today about Harumafuji's victory being a little rough - it's the second time this basho he's pushed at the other guy's face. Just wondering, is that considered totally legit in sumo or a little ungentlemanly?

- How freaking good is Hakuho?? Wait I'll answer that myself: he's really, really, really good.

Hak-Haru final is going to be amazing.

[shumitto 418]

Quick questions for more experienced fans:

- What's wrong with Kak? He's gone off the boil since that amazing run a couple basho back. Injury? Other guys figured out his moves? lack of confidence?

I am not that experienced a sumo fan, but I will try to answer your question.

This decline in form is pretty normal. An aspirant to Ozeki raises his game to jump over bar and once he is there it falls to his normal level, only to go up again in Yusho contentions or Yokozuna bids. And I would add to that that Kakuryu is not exactly the strongest of all the current Ozeki.

- Kintayama made a comment in his video today about Harumafuji's victory being a little rough - it's the second time this basho he's pushed at the other guy's face. Just wondering, is that considered totally legit in sumo or a little ungentlemanly?

I advise you read this thread.

- How freaking good is Hakuho?? Wait I'll answer that myself: he's really, really, really good.

Too right he is, but he used to be more.

Hak-Haru final is going to be amazing.

Yes. Looking forward to that.

Edited July 20, 2012 by shumitto

[yorikiried by fate 2,028]

I advise you read this thread.

Did Harumafuji slap him? I didn't see any harite. And if, so what? He's the Ozeki.

= I don't understand the thread you quote.

And IMHO Kakuryu is paying back a couple of things, even though no-one wants to hear that. That, or he ceremonially received the Now Ozeki Forevermore Compendium from the hands of Osh and Ama. Kaio and Chiyotaikai couldn't come but had chipped in.

[Asashosakari 19,331]

[kuroimori 1,634]

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and the Ohara award goes to Shunba

Orora must have nightmares when he faces opponents that are almost invisible compared to him

[Kintamayama 45,137]

Explaining my comment on unnecessary roughness-.. Yes, Harumafuji is an Ozeki, and yes, everything is legit, but still, with his extra fighting spirit, it looks TO ME like he could win with a bit less violence. He nearly took the Brazilian's head off. We've seen many oshis, including Akebono's in our lifetime but maybe it's Harumafuji's non-size - something looks a bit overboard to me (Kisenosato's bout?). But it seems to work for him, so good for him.

And anyhow, it's just my opinion.

[Akinomaki 40,515]

The poor gyoji had to hold the gumbai string with his teeth during the mawashi matta in the Tokitenku-Toyohibiki bout. Do Gyoji train mawashi fixing ? Is it bad luck to drop the gumbai to the clay ?

At least he got a big round of applause for his effort.

[Akinomaki 40,515]

Was that really Hakuho ? He invites Harumafuji to do henka tomorrow ?

[ChrisC 7]

Man, the Hakuho-Kisenosato match was a classic! "You want to play silly buggers with me? Fine. I'll play silly buggers with you."

[Maguroyama 27]

OMG! Has Hakuho ever pulled that one as a yokozuna?? He was visibly p**d at Kise for the two mattas, but still... Well, at least I will finally get to experience a 14-0 bout on senshuraku. Historical!

[Onibushou 61]

Seems oddly similar to another Kisenosato bout. Do I sense a trend here? I also wonder if the complaints about the already-Yokozuna will be as loud as they were for the Yokozuna hopeful... (No complaints here though)

[Kintamayama 45,137]

Hakuhou should never have succumbed to his temper. After the first matta, he gave Kisenosato a helluva shove- bad decorum. Kisenosato seemed to have done the second matta on purpose just to shove him back, which he did. All this and more on today's video..

[yorikiried by fate 2,028]

I agree, Hakuho shouldn't have done any of this. But hey, it was great fun to watch. Pre-bout, Hakuho's intensity has significantly increased the last couple of days. I think it was before the Kotoshogiku bout, when his bearing told me: this will not be shaky, this will be the Hakuho of old. So this is how it looks like when both Harumafuji and Hakuho don't b*llshit around with politics. Scary.

[Igordemorais 75]

Kisenosato is a douche. Look, he is great and all, but come on, he is a massive douche. Remember last tournament when he was being a cocky asswipe to everyone? Acting tough and shoving people out of the ring. And doesn't he always pull some ridiculous pre-fight shenanigans like delaying his tachi-ai, etc? I remember Baruto henka'd him because of his stupid antics. And now this nice little series of mattas. Come on, douche, get with the program.

Personally I felt it was anti-climactic, but Kisenosato deserved it. He has a terrible attitude towards his opponents.

Plus didn't he ruin Hakuho's invincibility streak? Maybe Hak hasn't swallowed that one yet! Either way, I laughed out loud when matta-master Kisenosato went flying.

And now, let's hope Harumafuji wins it! Whoever takes it it will be a zensho-yusho, that's badass!

About Harumafuji fighting hard and dirty: I love it.

Edited July 21, 2012 by Igordemorais

[Kintamayama 45,137]

Reminder: Last basho, Harumafuji was 7-7 on senshuraku. He faced Hakuhou and won.

Edited July 21, 2012 by Kintamayama

[Skotkotaikai 2]

I think Kisenosato deserves such treatment. The thing is he doesn't seem to learn from it or maybe he just doesn't want to.

[Maguroyama 27]

Hooray, two roid-heads in the final!

I'm sure you have proof of this...? (Besides the usual "Oh, it's obvious to everyone")

[kuroimori 1,634]

Henkaho (who woulda thunk) vs. Kisenomatta (aka the Mattador)

While my first reaction was Kise deserved the henka, my second thought was that Hakuho might be in trouble for pulling it of against the next Japanese (wannabe) Yokozuna.

OTOH, Kise missed a great opportunity here as Hakuho still is not 100% and after a long bout with Baruto the Day before, he would have had a better chance by concentrating on his post-tachiai strategy instead of this stupid and annoying pre-tachiai shenenigans (especially after being reprimanded for just that 2 days ago!).

Sometimes it appears to me that Kise thinks he already is Yokozuna / the most important rikishi at the moment which doesn't do him any good.