ryafuji 815 Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) I am not a moderator but can we stop the personal attacks please. Accusing fellow posters of being drunk is just not on. Edited September 10, 2012 by ryafuji 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iron bug 8 Posted September 10, 2012 Am I correct in understanding that Harumafuji doesn't necessarily have to win the tournament in order to be considered for promotion? If he and Hakuho face off on day 15 each being 14-0, can Harumafuji lose and still get the promotion to Yokozuna? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 2,029 Posted September 10, 2012 If the info Mike provides over ST is right (and why shouldn't it be), Kokonoe-o. demanded the absence of bonus shoves, henkas, as well as the presence of a distinctive style in HF's sumo for him to be considered at all. No numbers were named. Even though I think that a yusho would bag it for him, I personally expect that everything less wouldn't be enough, based on that info. I'm surprised that they didn't ask him to have a certain color of panties. Hey, does anyone know the Spongebob episode, where Neptune tries everything to prevent him from being his Frycook of Gods, even though he met every absurd precondition? No? Just asking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Igordemorais 75 Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) On 10/09/2012 at 19:46, yorikiried by fate said: If the info Mike provides over ST is right (and why shouldn't it be), Kokonoe-o. demanded the absence of bonus shoves, henkas, as well as the presence of a distinctive style in HF's sumo for him to be considered at all. No numbers were named. Even though I think that a yusho would bag it for him, I personally expect that everything less wouldn't be enough, based on that info. I'm surprised that they didn't ask him to have a certain color of panties. Hey, does anyone know the Spongebob episode, where Neptune tries everything to prevent him from being his Frycook of Gods, even though he met every absurd precondition? No? Just asking. This reminds me of a bit by standup comedian Chris Rock regarding Barack Obama's first run towards being elected President of the USA: Barack is so calm and cool that sometimes I think he doesn't realize he's the black president. Like he thinks he can win this thing fair and square! Like he thinks having the most votes is gonna mean something! Shit... they will change this whole system on his black ass overnight, you better ask the indians about white men and rules. They will change all their shit, with a straight face too. "Hey man, you got the most votes, too bad you lost.... That's how we used to do it. We don't really count those votes anymore." If it was Kisenosato they'd be ordering a rope right now made out of silk dipped in gold, colored with rainbows and the embroidered with the Japanese anthem on it. Edited September 10, 2012 by Igordemorais Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted September 10, 2012 And have Kisenosato potentially end up as the Epic Fail Yokozuna? Get real. He's the last guy who'd be getting promoted with iffy results. It's a whole different ballgame compared to ozeki promotions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomitsuki 2,843 Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) On 10/09/2012 at 19:46, yorikiried by fate said: If the info Mike provides over ST is right (and why shouldn't it be), Kokonoe-o. demanded the absence of bonus shoves, henkas, as well as the presence of a distinctive style in HF's sumo for him to be considered at all. I was wondering whether these three requirements are just a clearer explanation of what hinkaku (or the absence of it) entails. If that is true, Kokonoe did not mention anything highly unusual. Edited September 10, 2012 by Randomitsuki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,534 Posted September 10, 2012 I am willing to stake my tatters that 13 wins regardless of anything will seal it for him, provided none of those wins come from henkas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Igordemorais 75 Posted September 10, 2012 I'll bet you 5-to-1 that doesn't happen. Is gambling illegal in Israel? Let's Bodog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,534 Posted September 10, 2012 On 10/09/2012 at 22:41, Igordemorais said: I'll bet you 5-to-1 that doesn't happen. Is gambling illegal in Israel? Let's Bodog Gambling is mandatory in Israel. Every man, after he reaches the age of 18, must gamble. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryafuji 815 Posted September 10, 2012 On 10/09/2012 at 22:07, Kintamayama said: I am willing to stake my tatters that 13 wins regardless of anything will seal it for him, provided none of those wins come from henkas. Hmmm... I think he would have to be in contention on the final day. A 13-2 with Hakuho taking the yusho 15-0 would not be enough for him IMHO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted September 10, 2012 On 10/09/2012 at 22:58, ryafuji said: On 10/09/2012 at 22:07, Kintamayama said: I am willing to stake my tatters that 13 wins regardless of anything will seal it for him, provided none of those wins come from henkas. Hmmm... I think he would have to be in contention on the final day. A 13-2 with Hakuho taking the yusho 15-0 would not be enough for him IMHO. A 13-1 on day 15 puts him in contention. He will probably face Hakuho. Think I agree that, in this scenario, a 13-2 will get it for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Igordemorais 75 Posted September 10, 2012 On 10/09/2012 at 22:49, Kintamayama said: On 10/09/2012 at 22:41, Igordemorais said: I'll bet you 5-to-1 that doesn't happen. Is gambling illegal in Israel? Let's Bodog Gambling is mandatory in Israel. Every man, after he reaches the age of 18, must gamble. That can't be kosher! How about 10 dollars of yours to 50 of mine says if Harumafuji gets 13 or less victories he ain't makin' Yokozuna! PayPal's the word! PS Your videos rule. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morty 1,505 Posted September 11, 2012 One of the things I love most about sumo is how hard it is to become a Yokozuna. It is the one sport in the world where you can genuinely say that if a person gets there, they deserve it. The almost impossible criteria for becoming a Yokozuna means that generally, only those who genuinely deserve it get it. The system rewards excellence, not mediocrity. That is one of the things that makes sumo so special. Based on that, there is no way Kise is getting to Yok status unless he absolutely meets the criteria (ie he deserves it). Likewise HF, he'll have to earn it with a dominant performance this basho. If he doesn't get it I won't be too sad because it will just make it more special when someone finally manages to break through that almost impossible barrier. And if there was a conspiracy to get a Japanese Yokozuna, Kaio would have been made one years ago. The sheer fact that he spent so long at Ozeki suggests that Japanese or not, the stringent Yokozuna guidelines are firmly in place. There is a distinct difference between promotion to Ozeki and promotion to Yokozuna. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iron bug 8 Posted September 11, 2012 I am by no means saying Harumafuji should be given a promotion to Yokozuna without meeting the requirements, but he definitely deserves it with a strong performance this basho (1 or possibly 2 losses). It seems like he is working hard right now, so hopefully he will be able to put it all together and finally get Yoko glory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gusoyama 104 Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) Harumafuji doesn't seem as explosively quick as he did last basho. Maybe he's being careful so as not to get caught in a henka, but he seems to be more deliberate/slow this basho. Still showing TONS of power, however. Oh, and if HF's promotion comes down to a day 15 win against Hakuho, I will bet any sum of money that SumoTalk will fabricate yaocho in some form or another. Also, I adore Kotoshogiku's ratchet-sumo. Edited September 11, 2012 by Gusoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iron bug 8 Posted September 11, 2012 On 11/09/2012 at 02:02, Gusoyama said: Harumafuji doesn't seem as explosively quick as he did last basho. Maybe he's being careful so as not to get caught in a henka, but he seems to be more deliberate/slow this basho. Still showing TONS of power, however. I agree. I thought his speed looked to be lacking in the first two bouts, but I, too, quickly came to the assumption that it must be because he is "playing it safe" and trying to avoid getting caught off balance. His power is looking fantastic, though, and that will help him a lot against some of the bigger opponents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,534 Posted September 11, 2012 On 11/09/2012 at 02:02, Gusoyama said: Harumafuji doesn't seem as explosively quick as he did last basho. Maybe he's being careful so as not to get caught in a henka, but he seems to be more deliberate/slow this basho. Still showing TONS of power, however. And maybe he's attempting to do "Yokozuna sumo"-powerful yet deliberate and reck (which should be the opposite of reckless, but isn't, but now is..). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) On 10/09/2012 at 23:22, Asojima said: A 13-1 on day 15 puts him in contention. He will probably face Hakuho. Think I agree that, in this scenario, a 13-2 will get it for him. But the dirty secret is that Kyokutenho and Wakanosato are slated to meet on day 15 with zensho records and screw the whole thing up. You heard it here first. Edited September 11, 2012 by Asojima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masumasumasu 902 Posted September 11, 2012 Why is Baruto getting robbed this basho? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Igordemorais 75 Posted September 11, 2012 Takanoyama is getting thrown around like a cork in a tidal wave, it's frustrating to watch. Look at Kyokutenho so far showing dominant sumo! and 3 ozeki lost today, what a trip! Goeido that sneaky rat showing Kotooshu what he's made of, I love it. And Aoiyama lost again. He's just not ready for this. I was very surprised to see Kotoshogiku lose but Homasho's strategy was impeccable. And Harumafuji bitchslapping the sense out of Shohozan! He's like a pitbull Good stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 675 Posted September 11, 2012 Still a bit early to call, but Kisenosato looks in good shape, maybe in good enough shape to spoil Harumafuji's chances for a party before he even reaches Hakuho... Of course, this is Kisenosato we are talking about, always capable of shining one day and falling on his face the next one :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tamaikazuchi 4 Posted September 11, 2012 Bart's knee must be killing him. Chances of him dropping out of the tourney? On his rematch it looked like he couldn't generate any power. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 675 Posted September 11, 2012 On 11/09/2012 at 10:04, Tamaikazuchi said: Bart's knee must be killing him. Chances of him dropping out of the tourney? On his rematch it looked like he couldn't generate any power. With 2 loses on record in day 3, and that malfunctioning knee, his chances of a KK start to look slim. I guess he probably should go kyujo to avoid aggravating his injury. Unless of course his fellow Ozeki are planning a rescue mission for week 2... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 2,029 Posted September 11, 2012 Ankle, rather. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikanohara 171 Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) On 11/09/2012 at 09:03, Masumasumasu said: Why is Baruto getting robbed this basho? Perhaps because he won't make it to the end anyway ? On 09/09/2012 at 09:03, Igordemorais said: Why is Shohozan so brown? Show How Sun :-D Edited September 11, 2012 by Vikanohara Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
