alaninjapan 18 Posted September 14, 2012 what inthe name of Confucius H Buddha have the eastern europaeans been doing this time? Baruto out Kotooshu out Aoiyama 0-6 Tochinoshin 0-6 Aran 0-6 Gagamaru 2-4 glory day Kokkai out and possible demotion from Juryo and retirement? any link? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Igordemorais 75 Posted September 14, 2012 The night is darkest before the dawn. Aoiyama is still growing, give it time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pikenoyama 27 Posted September 14, 2012 what inthe name of Confucius H Buddha have the eastern europaeans been doing this time? Baruto out Kotooshu out Aoiyama 0-6 Tochinoshin 0-6 Aran 0-6 Gagamaru 2-4 glory day Kokkai out and possible demotion from Juryo and retirement? any link? How far reaches your east? Takanoyama? (A brave rikishi...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,192 Posted September 14, 2012 "East" Europeans is kinda unneccessarily specific. It just rubs it in that there aren't any West Europeans in sumo. But actually, I think the Czech Republic is in Central Europe (and Georgia of course in the Caucasus which really isn't very European - it's more the history). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,761 Posted September 14, 2012 what inthe name of Confucius H Buddha have the eastern europaeans been doing this time? Baruto out Kotooshu out Aoiyama 0-6 Tochinoshin 0-6 Aran 0-6 Gagamaru 2-4 glory day Kokkai out and possible demotion from Juryo and retirement? any link? I don't see a particular mystery. Three are out with injury, three are out of their depth. Amelia (Earhurt) can't really be judged by this basho due to his inexperience and the training he missed beforehand due to the ear problem. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronnie 221 Posted September 14, 2012 what inthe name of Confucius H Buddha have the eastern europaeans been doing this time? Baruto out Kotooshu out Aoiyama 0-6 Tochinoshin 0-6 Aran 0-6 Gagamaru 2-4 glory day Kokkai out and possible demotion from Juryo and retirement? any link? I don't see a particular mystery. Three are out with injury, three are out of their depth. Amelia (Earhurt) can't really be judged by this basho due to his inexperience and the training he missed beforehand due to the ear problem. Love it. Hope that one takes off! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shumitto 418 Posted September 14, 2012 The definition of Eastern Europe is more politically- and economically-oriented than anything else, I guess. So it is fine to place the Czech Republic into it. As to sumo, all but Baruto are ranked too high for their own good. In the next basho, with most of them swimming in calmer waters and probably having better results, you will entitle your thread "Europeans on FIRE". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikanohara 171 Posted September 15, 2012 I'd say it's sabotage ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Borislav 4 Posted September 15, 2012 My theory for the ozeki injuries is that now with Hakuho looking more and more defeatable and with the banzuke quite messed up, people are fighting to the max, which they haven't done in a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,655 Posted September 15, 2012 ... and with the banzuke quite messed up ... What do you mean? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Borislav 4 Posted September 15, 2012 ... and with the banzuke quite messed up ... What do you mean? I mean that the disparity betwen the ozeki and the lower ranks, especially the komusubi, seems to grow more and more, and I suppose some of the ozeki think of this as an opportune moment for an ozeki run. At least Kisenosato seems to fight all out and definitely hopes for a run. On a second thought, this is not really a problem of the banzuke, besides, "messed up" might not be the most accurate wording. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted September 15, 2012 I mean that the disparity betwen the ozeki and the lower ranks, especially the komusubi, seems to grow more and more, ...... Komusubi is a meatgrinder rank. Any rikishi who can spend more than a year in Makuuchi will make it to komusubi through banzuke luck. Once there, 80% of them will be ground to a pulp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,655 Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) I mean that the disparity betwen the ozeki and the lower ranks, especially the komusubi, seems to grow more and more, and I suppose some of the ozeki think of this as an opportune moment for an ozeki run. At least Kisenosato seems to fight all out and definitely hopes for a run. Interesting thought. In a way, I think, it's just a reflection of having a bunch of ozeki who are, bar Osh, all in or approaching their prime, unlike the last half-decade with Kaio/Chiyotaikai/Kotomitsuki as the faces of the rank. Having 7 top-rankers (perhaps soon 8 if Myogiryu keeps it up) who are clearly superior to the rest of the field might be a bit on the high side, but the level of dominance in itself isn't abnormal, I would say. To extend your notion that the ozeki are seeing an opportunity now - maybe it's all in the scheduling? When Kise/Giku/Kaku were still sekiwake, we could expect to see many of their matches against ozeki in the first week (and almost all until Day 10), which made it much harder for an ozeki to put together a strong start and maybe get into that yusho-chasing groove. Now the scheduling protects the most deserving 7 rikishi from each other until the second week and the dynamic of the basho seems to be completely different. Hakuho being mortal now definitely helps, too, I agree. But I think it's also a morale booster to the ozeki to know they can now start 8-1 or so and be in a real yusho race, instead of finding themselves with two early losses against tough opponents and have to chase down Hakuho (who's getting the most protected schedule of them all, after all) for 10+ days. Edited September 15, 2012 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
