Natsu Basho 2013 discussion thread

[Kintamayama 45,534]

  On 24/05/2013 at 10:51, Doitsuyama said:

Well, he "played" something different and paid for it.

That was Matsutani. Doesn't count.

[Akinomaki 40,814]

  On 24/05/2013 at 06:52, Kintamayama said:

  On 24/05/2013 at 06:39, tzutzy said:

Is it a done deal no matter how many Juryo demotions? I'm happy for him.

Nothing is 100% with these guys, but yes, it's a done deal.

Unless it isn't, but it should be.

Hmmm..There are at least 4 good contenders for promotion. Will he get the short Endo of the stick?

Naaah..

NHK news7 called it "kakujitsu" (done deal, but not really 100%) - they usually don't fail with that level of certainty (does anybody know a case where they did?).

[krindel 675]

  On 24/05/2013 at 11:58, Akinomaki said:

  On 24/05/2013 at 06:52, Kintamayama said:

  On 24/05/2013 at 06:39, tzutzy said:

Is it a done deal no matter how many Juryo demotions? I'm happy for him.

Nothing is 100% with these guys, but yes, it's a done deal.

Unless it isn't, but it should be.

Hmmm..There are at least 4 good contenders for promotion. Will he get the short Endo of the stick?

Naaah..

NHK news7 called it "kakujitsu" (done deal, but not really 100%) - they usually don't fail with that level of certainty (does anybody know a case where they did?).

Is it really a realistic possibility? From what I could see, the highest makushita rank that has ever failed to be promoted with a 7-0 yusho was Ms15 tsukedashi... I can't possibily fathom a Ms7 with a 7-0 being left out, it would have to be one of the worst banzuke lucks in history...

[Akinomaki 40,814]

The explanation of the Kimikaze-Wakanoshima bout mono-ii: The head shimpan (who?) called Wakanoshima by name, but he called Kimikaze (former makuuchi) the east-side rikishi. Maybe if they know the rikishi well, they use the name ?

[Asashosakari 19,669]

Given that "Ms15↑ 7-0 -> juryo" apparently has the status of an actual rule, not just a guideline*, I'm 99.99% sure that they will demote somebody to make room for Osunaarashi even if that rikishi doesn't have a record that's "demotable" under normal circumstances.

* Leading to the fairly ridiculous "Ms15Td isn't within the top 15 ranks" justification when they had to leave Shimoda out in the cold. If it was just a guideline they wouldn't have bothered with that.

[Akinomaki 40,814]

Osunaarashi's kesho mawashi will of course show a pyramid.

[Millwood 41]

  On 24/05/2013 at 12:12, Asashosakari said:

Given that "Ms15↑ 7-0 -> juryo" apparently has the status of an actual rule, not just a guideline*, I'm 99.99% sure that they will demote somebody to make room for Osunaarashi even if that rikishi doesn't have a record that's "demotable" under normal circumstances.

* Leading to the fairly ridiculous "Ms15Td isn't within the top 15 ranks" justification when they had to leave Shimoda out in the cold. If it was just a guideline they wouldn't have bothered with that.

I assumed that they had the last Osunaarashi bout up in Juryo to make sure there was no question about promotion if he won.

[Tsubame 368]

  On 24/05/2013 at 13:27, Akinomaki said:

Osunaarashi's kesho mawashi will of course show a pyramid.

Sorry for that massive off-topic... but that was my first thought on that statment above:

[Tsubame 368]

What are the tips for the amount of keshos that will be spend on the bout tomorow (Hakuho - Kisenosato)? The maximum or less?

[kuroimori 1,634]

  On 24/05/2013 at 06:59, Vikanohara said:

Did Takanoyama get robbed today ?

Nah, that was Goeido some days before the honbasho. :-)

[kuroimori 1,634]

Happy End of Natsu basho for Endo as well - and a promotion to Juryo along with Osunaarashi?

[ArchangelEST 13]

Such a close one for Takanoyama this time. After watching the replay it does seem like the loss was justified. Just sucked that he put in so much effort to seemingly win and then get told he lost halfway during the bout.

[Kintamayama 45,534]

I have it on good, official authority now that Oosunaarashi has been promoted to Juryo.

Mabrook.

[ArchangelEST 13]

Goeido again with no luck...

[ALAKTORN 346]

Kotoōshū lost by koshikudake… (http://sumo.goo.ne.jp/eng/kimarite/32.html) is it time for him to be demoted?

Edited May 25, 2013 by ALAKTORN

[ArchangelEST 13]

  On 25/05/2013 at 08:42, ALAKTORN said:

Kotoōshū lost by koshikudake… (http://sumo.goo.ne.jp/eng/kimarite/32.html) is it time for him to be demoted?

Well, if you lose by basically losing your balance and tripping on yourself - it does kinda show you're not quite an Ozeki anymore. Kotooshu has obviously been declining for a while, possibly regular injury related. But he still has one match left to avoid demotion. And even if he happens to lose, he has a chance for a comeback with 10 wins the next basho. But to be honest I don't see him getting those 10 wins either.

We may indeed see his retirement this year if he happens to lose tomorrow.

But then again. Kotooshu has tons of experience and he seems to be quite good at making small come-backs. We'll have to wait and see.

Edited May 25, 2013 by ArchangelEST

[ALAKTORN 346]

HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED

[Masumasumasu 902]

  On 25/05/2013 at 08:52, ALAKTORN said:

HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED

The silverback pulled a henka on the land of the rising sun.

[ArchangelEST 13]

Man that was an insane battle. Kisenosato really showed he is a force to be reckoned with. Even after being henkad he kept going strong and made Hakuho really work for that win. To actually make Hakuho go for a henka. Seriously... Okay, maybe more like half a henka or something. But still.

Even if Kisenosato loses the bout tomorrow, I think he is still a Yokozuna candidate. He has to follow up with another high jun-Yusho at the very least. Beating Harumafuji definitely helped his credibility as-well. Next basho is going to be very exciting to watch. To dream of a time with 3 Yokozuna battling it out... awesome.

Edited May 25, 2013 by ArchangelEST

[Masumasumasu 902]

Hakuho is a reprobate through and through.

[ArchangelEST 13]

  On 25/05/2013 at 09:04, Masumasumasu said:

Hakuho is a reprobate through and through.

Most don't get to the top by being the nice and honorable guy. In this regard it's not like Kisenosato exactly shines either with his techi-ai antics.

Regardless I think Hakuhos dominance has been so great over the years that there's little that can diminish his stature.

Edited May 25, 2013 by ArchangelEST

[Bugman 384]

  On 25/05/2013 at 08:52, Masumasumasu said:

Steroid-man wins again. Hooray!

If Hak is on them i suspect lots of other rikishi are too, and if he's not i then think lots of other rikishi won't be either, all sports have their inner "culture" don't they? So either way i feel Hak was the fair and square winner, Kise put up a very good fight but it wasn't to be.

If Hak had lost i'm sure many people (including myself) would have had a thought in the back of their minds that maybe Kise had been "helped" out a bit, so the good thing about his loss is the perception that Sumo is less corrupt than it used to be, i wanted a Kise win too despite being a Hak fan because i am a Sumo fan above any rikishi preferences, and in my short Sumo-viewing career i have never seen a Japanese rikishi win a yusho, so i wanted to see a little bit of Sumo history, something i may yet get to see if Hak loses tomorrow as there'l be a play-off if Haru manages to beat his fellow Yokozuna.

Edit* Personally i'm not in favour of steroids in Sumo, just thought i'd clear that up, i'd be all in favour of testing being implemented, just saying that i think all rikishi are currently on a level playing field.

Edited May 25, 2013 by Bugman

[ALAKTORN 346]

  On 25/05/2013 at 09:01, ArchangelEST said:

Man that was an insane battle. Kisenosato really showed he is a force to be reckoned with. Even after being henkad he kept going strong and made Hakuho really work for that win. To actually make Hakuho go for a henka. Seriously... Okay, maybe more like half a henka or something. But still.

Even if Kisenosato loses the bout tomorrow, I think he is still a Yokozuna candidate. He has to follow up with another high jun-Yusho at the very least. Beating Harumafuji definitely helped his credibility as-well. Next basho is going to be very exciting to watch. To dream of a time with 3 Yokozuna battling it out... awesome.

It wasn’t really a henka, it was just sidestepping, something Harumafuji did a lot this basho.

Kisenosato certainly displayed yokozuna-level sumō this basho, and I hope he can continue this way. It would be fantastic to have 3 yokozuna!

Oh and by the way, I really liked how Kisenosato went like “I won’t take your shit” at the first tachi-ai, when Hakuhō wasn’t putting his hands down.

Tomorrow is gonna be another exciting day, Harumafuji certainly has the capabilities of beating Hakuhō, and seeing Kisenosato’s form nothing short of Hakuhō would beat him (I’m not sure, but is he fighting Kakuryū?). Edit: he’s fighting Kotoshōgiku.

Edited May 25, 2013 by ALAKTORN

[ArchangelEST 13]

  On 25/05/2013 at 09:11, ALAKTORN said:

  On 25/05/2013 at 09:01, ArchangelEST said:

Man that was an insane battle. Kisenosato really showed he is a force to be reckoned with. Even after being henkad he kept going strong and made Hakuho really work for that win. To actually make Hakuho go for a henka. Seriously... Okay, maybe more like half a henka or something. But still.

Even if Kisenosato loses the bout tomorrow, I think he is still a Yokozuna candidate. He has to follow up with another high jun-Yusho at the very least. Beating Harumafuji definitely helped his credibility as-well. Next basho is going to be very exciting to watch. To dream of a time with 3 Yokozuna battling it out... awesome.

It wasn’t really a henka, it was just sidestepping, something Harumafuji did a lot this basho.

Kisenosato certainly displayed yokozuna-level sumō this basho, and I hope he can continue this way. It would be fantastic to have 3 yokozuna!

Oh and by the way, I really liked how Kisenosato went like “I won’t take your shit” at the first tachi-ai, when Hakuhō wasn’t putting his hands down.

Tomorrow is gonna be another exciting day, Harumafuji certainly has the capabilities of beating Hakuhō, and seeing Kisenosato’s form nothing short of Hakuhō would beat him (I’m not sure, but is he fighting Kakuryū?).

Yeah I kept replaying the initial clash and indeed they made fairly solid contact. And you're right, it definitely looked like Kisenosato showed true confidence and even a bit arrogance from the get go. That attitude is very much needed for a Yokozuna. If you don't believe you can win, if you don't believe you are as good as the other guy and even better, you most likely aren't. And Kisenosato had no problem showing it this time. He knew he was good enough and he went in with full power.

But obviously Hakuho is not your average Yokozuna, he is a man with a plan.

But again I just want to say that Kisenosato has definitely paved the way for a Yokozuna promotion if he can follow up the next basho. He has had very solid Ozeki numbers despite the questionable promotion and there is no doubt that him becoming Yokozuna would be an immense promotion for the entire sport in general. We might see an explosion in popularity.

[aderechelsea 125]

Hakuho proooooobably knows that Kise barely moves forward at the tachi-ai. He didn't just jump to the side and was waiting for Kise to fall down. He tried to get a better position and he succeeded in that.

Kise showed some power in this bout but he remains far from yokozuna material. If he ever gets a yusho then we are talking (on a theoretical level) ... till then .... it is just a dream..