Osunaarashi and Shinto Rituals (split from various topics)

[bettega 431]

Reading a lot about Islam and basically depends on what "sect" Osunaarashi follow. In the sects that follow the Sharia strictly is there no possibility of Sumo at all (can't show he body between navel and knee), so I think he's of a more modern kind.

[salle 11]

I don't want to play devlis advocate, but since nobody is asking that question here we go:

Is Shinto a religion?

More detailed version:
What makes you believe a follower of a religion X would consider Shinto as another religion and thus imposing problems with his X religion?

Even more detailed:
What makes you believe that Islam professed by Osunaarashi considers Shinto as a religion and Shinto rituals as religious ones and not just secular gestures?

[sekihiryu 51]

I usually refrain from discussions about "banned" subjects (religion is one in the forum rules), but I try one more comment.

First I don't think Oosunaarashi will make it to yokozuna - he has too many ailments and injuries already. I see for him a career like Baruto.

I agree. He will not make Yokozuna* or even Ozeki. I just don't see it. His natural strength will reach it's limit and far more skilled and wiley wrestlers will school him, very soon. I see the next Sentoryu to be honest: a physical beast whose physical attributes could see him float around Makushita and Juryo,

Being a physical beast will only get you so far - ask Tochinoshin,

* the last time I boldly said this was Yamamotoyama when he arrived on the scene and everyone was fawning over him and talking up his path to Yokozuna and even before he was booted out it was clearly evident just staying in Makuuchi was a challenge.

This sandstorm will blow out soon. you'll see.

[ronnie 221]

Tochinoshin? I think he's a decent wrestler who has done pretty well so far.

As for physical beasts, you could apply that to Baruto or Konishiki. Only one rank higher than those guys made.

[dingo 1,212]

I don't want to play devlis advocate, but since nobody is asking that question here we go:

Is Shinto a religion?

More detailed version:

What makes you believe a follower of a religion X would consider Shinto as another religion and thus imposing problems with his X religion?

Even more detailed:

What makes you believe that Islam professed by Osunaarashi considers Shinto as a religion and Shinto rituals as religious ones and not just secular gestures?

This is getting increasingly offtopic, but...

Isn't it? I am by far not an expert on the topic, but Shinto is something that seemingly is based on faith, governs many aspects of life (and death) of a large amount of people, and has it's own places of assembly to perform many of those rituals, some of them very old and could be considered holy. For lack of deeper knowledge I can't really go deeper into the discussion, but for a layman it seems to tick most, if not all the right boxes.

Also, as a personal sidenote, I used to practice kyudo (Japanese archery) in Japan. Kyudo in itself has deep connections to Shinto from the outset, although in modern times they are much less pronounced. Anyway, I visited many different dojos and most of them have a small shrine that you bow to upon entry and exit. I'm not particularly religious, but I caught myself more than once wondering if this constitutes a religious act. Most of the times I just brushed it aside since as I said, I'm not particularly religious. But still, there sometimes was a nagging feeling about this, so I can only wonder what Oosunaarashi feels.

Sorry for the offtopic.

Edited June 3, 2013 by dingo

[Surabuyan 6]

From theological point of view, training is a kind of fasting. Especially disciplines as rough as SUMO must be regarded as constat "fasting".

Oosunaarashi's fastings seem unnecessary and following the book blindly . They can also hinder his progression in the discipline (THE FAST) he has already undertaken, so they can be considered detrimental from a religious point of view. Maybe he should get the right advice about it. However, as it is written, it depends on what sect Oosunaarshi is in and what does his teacher in Islam thinks about that.

Eating pork and drinking beer remain out of question, because not consuming these two won't hinder his discipline in any way.

About taking part in the Shinto rituals, some exceptions should be made for the following reasons: Oosunaarashi can be regarded as a representative of the Muslim community so he should take part in the traditional rituals. The rituals should not be regarded as "religious" but as cultural/secular activities. I think the problem here will be smaller because of all the politics involved.

Maybe another topic should be made about this discussion.

Edited July 15, 2013 by Surabuyan

[Kintamayama 44,652]

Like in any religion, there are various degrees of practice-from totally secular to fundamentalist. Before considering the shinto rituals and shrines etc, let's not forget that he's strutting out with his ass revealed every day of the basho. Hardly the "decency" that the more fundamentalist Muslims require. If no one is on his case regarding that, the rest is moot. I am not a religious person (far from it), but I fast on Yom Kippur and I don't eat bread during Passover. It's called "following tradition". If Oosunaarashi was a very religious Muslim, he would not walk around half naked. As a moderately religious person, he would follow Ramadan and abstain from eating pork and drinking alcohol. All Muslims I know follow Ramadan, but most of them are not ultra-religious. Tradition.

[torquato 1,075]

A bit off topic but this is the latest Osunaarashi thread I could find and I didn't want to open a new one.

I was just wondering about his latest FaceBook entry

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=599686010051437&set=a.316999988320042.73083.315982338421807&type=1&theater

Looks very weired to me. Don't know what to make out of it.

[Masumasumasu 902]

A bit off topic but this is the latest Osunaarashi thread I could find and I didn't want to open a new one.I was just wondering about his latest FaceBook entryhttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=599686010051437&set=a.316999988320042.73083.315982338421807&type=1&theaterLooks very weired to me. Don't know what to make out of it.

Looks rather gay.

[Mark.Buckton 68]

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Egy-sumo/125401034320102?fref=ts

and images like this by his main supporters in Egypt don't help.

[Mark.Buckton 68]

And I think that over 99% of all Egyptians would just be proud of their native son, with only a small minority criticizing his involvement in pagan rituals.

heard he was at a mosque in Tokyo today so he is keeping in touch with his faith.

[Masumasumasu 902]

And I think that over 99% of all Egyptians would just be proud of their native son, with only a small minority criticizing his involvement in pagan rituals.

heard he was at a mosque in Tokyo today so he is keeping in touch with his faith.

Thank goodness!

[Kintamayama 44,652]

And I think that over 99% of all Egyptians would just be proud of their native son, with only a small minority criticizing his involvement in pagan rituals.

heard he was at a mosque in Tokyo today so he is keeping in touch with his faith.

Much like Hoshitango who used to visit the synagogue every now and then back then..