Nagoya Basho 2013 discussion thread

[Bugman 384]

I am one of those (possibly one of the few, i don't know) who ended up loving henka as much as i hated it when i first started watching Sumo, i don't know why i had the big turn-around but i've come to appreciate the move, although i understand it must be really disappointing to watch when actually at the venue. It's a move that has made me laugh quite a few times, either because it worked perfectly or because it was perfectly punished like Tokitenku's attempt a few day's ago.

[aderechelsea 124]

so Hakuho proved that he can win a bout against an Ozeki even when he stops midway the tachi-ai due to the matta that was never called.

if anyone was not convinced by now ... he is really good at what he does.

[Hakuyobaku 33]

That was a miraculous save by Hakuho. Clincher quite possibly

[Nabuko 11]

Hakuuuuho Sho(w).

[Kintamayama 44,652]

so Hakuho proved that he can win a bout against an Ozeki even when he stops midway the tachi-ai due to the matta that was never called.

if anyone was not convinced by now ... he is really good at what he does.

I disagree with your analysis. There was no reason for a matta. He made the first move and then just stopped. I've watched it ten times-he lost concentration and wasn't there. It's not Hakuhou sumo-he's being pushed to the edge and resorting to his animal instinct too many times this basho. He is not doing good sumo. Winning sure, he's Hakuhou, but something is not right.

Did NHK have anything to say about it?

Edited July 17, 2013 by Kintamayama

[aderechelsea 124]

it looked like Hakuho thought it was a matta. That's why he gave the look afterwards.

and he is not doing great in general. But he barely trained and he still wins against everyone, Ozekis included.

(and my analysis may have been premature since i just watched this once in the stream but the result of this analysis still stands though. He is really good and what he does ... :-P)

[Kintamayama 44,652]

it looked like Hakuho thought it was a matta. That's why he gave the look afterwards.

and he is not doing great in general. But he barely trained and he still wins against everyone, Ozekis included.

(and my analysis may have been premature since i just watched this once in the stream but the result of this analysis still stands though. He is really good and what he does ... :-P)

I agree with everything else. I thought the look was of disappointment with himself. We'll have to wait for the interviews..

Edited July 17, 2013 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 44,652]

Papers are calling it "couldn't get their timing together". In any case, nobody should stop until it's called. Remember Chiyotaikai? Now THAT was funny..

[Naganoyama 5,881]

Papers are calling it "couldn't get their timing together". In any case, nobody should stop until it's called. Remember Chiyotaikai? Now THAT was funny..

How about a link?

[Naganoyama 5,881]

A nice "normal" big vs small matchup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8e3rfj0Lxc

Speaking of big vs small, what do you guys think of this promising young prospect:

He's a little on the small side but he has a fearless and fast tachi-ai, minimum Komosubi material i reckon, all he needs is a shikona. :)

(sorry for off-topic)

How about 雪の龍 Yukinoryu - Snow Dragon

[Kintamayama 44,652]

I found it on my computer-bad quality but you get the gist..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-w7o_BnfN8&feature=youtu.be

[Mukonoso 273]

I am one of those (possibly one of the few, i don't know) who ended up loving henka as much as i hated it when i first started watching Sumo, i don't know why i had the big turn-around but i've come to appreciate the move, although i understand it must be really disappointing to watch when actually at the venue. It's a move that has made me laugh quite a few times, either because it worked perfectly or because it was perfectly punished like Tokitenku's attempt a few day's ago.

I think I'm about the same on this. Henka used to disappoint me but now I sort of enjoy them since it gives the opposing rikishi a chance to show his stuff in how he reacts or recovers from one (if possible).

I'm disappointed that Kotooshu lost today. I was hoping for at least a 14-1 out of him this time, but I guess he would have lost to Hakuho anyway that it would have been a 13-2 anyway. Now he'll be stuck with a 12-3 probably. Oh well.

[Vikanohara 171]

Just before the Osunaarashi bout I had a bad feeling...just felt something like that would happen.

I had the same feeling. Sadly I didn't have it yesterday already, when I picked Boody for my seki-quad squad. And later I even had a similar feeling when I saw I also picked Kitataiki against Tokushoryu, which made me think "why on earth did I do this ?". And indeed, a few seconds later my point for day 11 had gone. :-S

[aderechelsea 124]

i am pretty sure Takanoyama was dreaming about Osunaarashi's extended arms after the tachi-ai all night long.

I had seen this bout in my head happening beforehand but i just pictured it like "yank-twist-get from behind-yori". well .....

(and this was probably my only correct prediction in Seki-toto (Laughing...) (In jonokuchi...))

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

Just before the Osunaarashi bout I had a bad feeling...just felt something like that would happen.

I had the same feeling. Sadly I didn't have it yesterday already, when I picked Boody for my seki-quad squad. And later I even had a similar feeling when I saw I also picked Kitataiki against Tokushoryu, which made me think "why on earth did I do this ?". And indeed, a few seconds later my point for day 11 had gone. :-S

If there's one thing I've learned in sumo gaming, it's NEVER pick against (or indeed for) Takanoyama in Seki-Quad! It used to be Takamisakari, but Takanoyama is up there for total unpredictability.

[Akinomaki 40,068]

Day 10: 4800 spectators – with Kisenosato out of the run they won't get a full house 8 times.

Some members of the YDC propose a “kyujo recommendation” for Harumafuji: Miyata: “I can't watch this.” Zabuton flying were fewer, no uproar, the fans no longer consider it as an upset when HF loses.

Today he wanted to win by any means, attacking the injured left arm of Kotooshu, who had expected him to go for a left uwate. The yokozuna read Osh's moves to extend the left arm and go slightly off to the left at the tachi-ai, and moved to the right - after the initial impact (doesn't that sound better than: a blatant henka by the yokozuna.)

Edited July 17, 2013 by Akinomaki

[Akinomaki 40,068]

Masunoyama, 5 wins in a row to get 7: “I stopped walking (as a daily routine), sleep early, go to bed at around 7:30.”

Aoiyama: “Because it's hot I lost 8 kg in Nagoya. But my body moves well because I did plenty of keiko, not because I lost weight.”

Ishiura, stop at 19 wins: “I couldn't do my kind of sumo. I hadn't it (the winning streak) on my mind.” Hakuho: “Mottainai ne” (what a waste/pity, isn't it).

[Ruziklao 34]

I found it on my computer-bad quality but you get the gist..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-w7o_BnfN8&feature=youtu.be

Blast from the past, thank you! :-D

Somebody has asked how Takanoyama might feel when O. is surpassing him so quickly on banzuke. If you think about it, there are many rikishi who have passed Takanoyama on the way up. When my interest in sumo has started back in maybe 2001, by chance Takanoyama was just starting his career. I had no idea he is there, only when he became makushita regular, I have been cheering on him. Frankly speaking, by his build and rumours I was not expecting him to reach juryo - and he managed to be in Makuuchi for 5 basho! Of course, scandal two years helped a bit, but given the results before he would get into juryo anyway.

Takanoyama! (Cheers...)

[shumitto 418]

Kotooshu looked upset after Harumafuji defeated him by grabbing his injured arm. Also a bit upsetting is seeing the yusho go to a not particularly inspired Hakuho. With two Ozeki already kachi-koshi and the other two only one win shy from it, there is not much to happen in the uppermost part of the banzuke. In this banzuke region what I am still looking forward is to know whether we'll have two new san'yaku in Takayasu and Chiyotairyu.

Down in Juryo, Homasho has lost so much of his power that now even Kotomisen can get the best of him. As I have a soft spot for those veterans so I would be happy if him and Yoshiazuma eventually got their kachi-koshi.

Edited July 17, 2013 by shumitto

[Nabuko 11]

Hakuho scored win in his 800th makuuchi bout. Am I right?

Edited July 17, 2013 by Nabuko

[Asashosakari 18,996]

Hakuho scored win in his 800th makuuchi bout. Am I right?

Tomorrow. :-) Incidentally, if he wins that bout, he'll also break into the all-time top 20 in career wins.

[Asashosakari 18,996]

Possibly the slowest-moving slapfest bout ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKJWoK3QQRA

"East, no, West...or East? Ahh, West."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnoFN_h93ws

Edited July 17, 2013 by Asashosakari

[Jakusotsu 5,876]

Even the gyoji shouts in slowmo.

[Raishu 207]

The Majima-Kyokuhikari bout was hilarious. I can't identify the shimpan on the right but he defintely cracks a smile there as well.

[Sumikumo 0]

No surprise and good win by Takanoyama. Boody fears no one but has never looked forward this matchup. Told pandaazuma as much yesterday in a mail. Pavel's speed and technique are a nightmare for any rikishi lacking in experience.

Oosunarashi still has a lot to learn, Takanoyama is such an unusual rikishi to face. I wonder how many lose forst time against the Czech?