Asashosakari 18,974 Posted July 24, 2013 New:Chiyomaru (Kokonoe-beya)Wakamisho Terunofuji 照ノ富士 (Isegahama-beya)Back:Akiseyama (Kise-beya)Chiyoo (Kokonoe-beya)Kitaharima (Kitanoumi-beya) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 671 Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) Wakamisho Terunofuji 照ノ富士 (Isegahama-beya) And I think with that shikona change, Magaki-beya is officially RIP... Congrats to all the guys though :-) Edit: And before someone mentions it, I know Wakaoba still has a Magaki-style shikona, but Wakamisho was the only really visible reminder of that heya... Edited July 24, 2013 by krindel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,053 Posted July 24, 2013 At last one more Fuji – but that's the norm in Isegahama-beya.Terunofuji with oyakata. Apart from the oyakata's Asahifuji (63rd yok.) for the last part, the shikona is a taken from 38th yokozuna Terukuni of Isegahama-beya. Ise-oyakata: “I want him to reach yokozuna, for that I gave him this shikona.” 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,053 Posted July 24, 2013 Chiyomaru with oyakata and younger brother Chiyootori, whose tsukebito he was.His ideal for a rikshi is Chiyotaikai, Sanoyama-oyakata, who also gave him his shikona for his round (maru) figure. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted July 24, 2013 At last one more Fuji – but that's the norm in Isegahama-beya. Terunofuji with oyakata. Apart from the oyakata's Asahifuji (63rd yok.) for the last part, the shikona is a taken from 38th yokozuna Terukuni of Isegahama-beya. Ise-oyakata: “I want him to reach yokozuna, for that I gave him this shikona.” It just struck me that Isegahama-oyakata has quite some resemblance with Matthias Brandt (for the non-German forum members: he is a German actor and son of former chancellor Willy Brandt) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shumitto 418 Posted July 24, 2013 It just struck me that Isegahama-oyakata has quite some resemblance with Matthias Brandt (for the non-German forum members: he is a German actor and son of former chancellor Willy Brandt) Everyone on this forum is German these days. :-P 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,881 Posted July 24, 2013 I wonder whether it can be much fun being tsukebito to one's brother. I suppose that it depends on the brother. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 671 Posted July 24, 2013 I wonder whether it can be much fun being tsukebito to one's brother. I suppose that it depends on the brother. True... but I would guess it was a "favorable" placement for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,974 Posted July 24, 2013 Chiyomaru's face is looking very Orora-ish in those pics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andreas21 183 Posted July 24, 2013 I wonder whether it can be much fun being tsukebito to one's brother. ... especially YOUNGER brother ! :-S Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,053 Posted July 24, 2013 I wonder whether it can be much fun being tsukebito to one's brother. I suppose that it depends on the brother. True... but I would guess it was a "favorable" placement for him. Kokonoe himself had ordered this, perhaps to create another incentive for him: to escape that potentially humiliating situation. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronnie 221 Posted July 24, 2013 I'm dyeing of curiosity to know why those Oyakata's aren't showing any signs of greying :-P 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koorifuu 923 Posted July 24, 2013 Chiyomaru looks twice as chubby as he did back to this photo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fay 1,677 Posted July 24, 2013 Chiyomaru looks twice as chubby as he did back to this photo. i remember quite well the day when I made the pic during Natsu Basho, Chiyomaru's name was Kinoshita then and during 2 hours of keiko he was standing there, very shy and a bit lost and didn't know what to do ... and nobody told him anything. I always supported him a bit, he is a very nice young man as is his brother Chiyootori. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,053 Posted July 25, 2013 Terunofujithe sekitori brothersReturn juryo Chiyoo visiting his old high school in Uruma, Okinawa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koorifuu 923 Posted July 25, 2013 Hopefully after this accomplishment he'll be called off the tsukebito role. Aaaand with Akiseyama back, plus Chiyomaru's debut, juryo just got a lot flabbier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,053 Posted July 25, 2013 Kokonoe himself had ordered this Well that's just standard procedure. The shisho decides who will be tsukebito in every heya. Order who is to be one is self-evident, but does he also order alone who is to serve who ? Doesn't the sekitori have a say with that and can express preferences about who he wants to have as tsukebito and who not ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
p2501 15 Posted July 25, 2013 Kokonoe himself had ordered this Well that's just standard procedure. The shisho decides who will be tsukebito in every heya. Order who is to be one is self-evident, but does he also order alone who is to serve who ? Doesn't the sekitori have a say with that and can express preferences about who he wants to have as tsukebito and who not ? That sounds like a good recipe for bad blood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 671 Posted July 25, 2013 Order who is to be one is self-evident, but does he also order alone who is to serve who ? Doesn't the sekitori have a say with that and can express preferences about who he wants to have as tsukebito and who not ? Self evident? I dunno. There are a lot of things that need to be taken into consideration. A tsukebito has many duties and if the sekitori is young or foreign there are things he won't know and will rely on the tsukebito to advise him on or help him with. New sekitori aren't likely to be making any preferences known to a shisho for obvious reasons. I agree with Nishinoshima on this... A good shisho needs to match the tsukebito to what he perceives to be the needs of the new sekitori, not necessarily who he likes. What does he need more? A servant? A confidant? A father figure? Someone to laugh with? Someone to keep an eye on him in case he gets into trouble? I think that is more important in choosing who is to be whose tsukebito than the personal preference of the sekitori. After all, as an example, you wouldn't want to match the heya's two heaviest drinkers in a sekitori-tsukebito combination, would you? :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,053 Posted July 25, 2013 Order who is to be one is self-evident, but does he also order alone who is to serve who ? Doesn't the sekitori have a say with that and can express preferences about who he wants to have as tsukebito and who not ? Self evident? I dunno. There are a lot of things that need to be taken into consideration. A tsukebito has many duties and if the sekitori is young or foreign there are things he won't know and will rely on the tsukebito to advise him on or help him with. New sekitori aren't likely to be making any preferences known to a shisho for obvious reasons. Indeed, a new sekitori should rely on the oyakata for this. I can't find a description of how many tsukebito are usual for each rank with search (still only occasionally my friend). A yokozuna with around 9, a juryo with 1, the oyakata(s), the high ranked gyoji ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,053 Posted July 25, 2013 I can't find a description of how many tsukebito are usual for each rank with search (still only occasionally my friend). A yokozuna with around 9, a juryo with 1, the oyakata(s), the high ranked gyoji ? Found with a different approach. Thanks for the info. I must say the tidbit about Fujimoto and Kotoshogiku intrigues me. A stable as big as Sadogatake has to occasionally "borrow" tsukebitos? I realize they have several sekitori but I guess I'm a little unclear on the subject, how many do each sekitori get? I assume it's according to rank (of course we all know about assume LOL).According to Grand Sumo Fully Illustrated, juryo sekitori get one or two, makuuchi sekitori get two to five, and yokozuna may have ten or more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
p2501 15 Posted July 25, 2013 I can't find a description of how many tsukebito are usual for each rank with search (still only occasionally my friend). A yokozuna with around 9, a juryo with 1, the oyakata(s), the high ranked gyoji ? Found with a different approach. Thanks for the info. I must say the tidbit about Fujimoto and Kotoshogiku intrigues me. A stable as big as Sadogatake has to occasionally "borrow" tsukebitos? I realize they have several sekitori but I guess I'm a little unclear on the subject, how many do each sekitori get? I assume it's according to rank (of course we all know about assume LOL). According to Grand Sumo Fully Illustrated, juryo sekitori get one or two, makuuchi sekitori get two to five, and yokozuna may have ten or more. Is that 10+ for yokozuna just for scaling purposes? I mean what do you need 10+ people for? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,881 Posted July 25, 2013 To make you look important, of course. ;-) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orion 431 Posted July 26, 2013 To make you look important, of course. ;-) How many tsukebito does it take to put on a yokozuna's tsuna? (rhetorical question) Orion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites