Demise of Sumo Mailing List?

[kashiwara 1]

Informative as the Forum is, it's always great to have additional sources and perspectives. Unfortunately, we're about to lose one of those. The owner of Sumo Mailing List is no longer able to provide that service to all of us. If we can't identify a replacement, SML is toast.

So here's a request: anybody out there, or anybody you know, who loves sumo and is tech-savvy enough to be willing to pick up the task of looking after it?

I'm sure all of those on the List will be more than grateful!

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

Well, there's still the ancient newsgroup rec.sport.sumo, which (apart from Kobayashi Toshiharu's usual banzuke and results posts) is currently populated by one vocal member only.

You can either access it directly with email clients like Outlook or Thunderbird (set up a newsgroup account), or use agents like Google.

[Asashosakari 19,667]

  On 10/09/2013 at 05:30, kashiwara said:

I'm sure all of those on the List will be more than grateful!

Do those on the list even realize the list might be gone soon? And would they be able to tell the difference? I read it through the web only so I don't know if messages are still going out, but they certainly still seem to be coming in, and if anybody's actually wondering why the list traffic has dropped to nearly zero over the last three months, they're certainly not bothered enough about it to send a message and ask.

[Millwood 41]

I actually "follow" sumo forum through the list feed. I'd prefer it if sumo forum had a follow every post option.

So I have been seeing postings, and didn't put together that they were only the sumo forum mail.

IMHO, wee really don't need two separate discussions as much as a mailing list/forum choice.

[Asashosakari 19,667]

  On 10/09/2013 at 15:36, Millwood said:

I actually "follow" sumo forum through the list feed.

I must admit I'm not sure what you're referring to here.

[Millwood 41]

  On 10/09/2013 at 16:07, Asashosakari said:

  On 10/09/2013 at 15:36, Millwood said:

I actually "follow" sumo forum through the list feed.

I must admit I'm not sure what you're referring to here.

I've asked sumoforum to email me each new topic first post - which is all that's available. I then subscribe to interesting topics (such as this one) so I get all subsequent posts as emails.

Why you may ask. Because I can follow a whole bunch of mailing lists at once in a reader, but have to visit each forum separately to follow that way.

[Asashosakari 19,667]

  On 10/09/2013 at 17:22, Millwood said:

I've asked sumoforum to email me each new topic first post - which is all that's available. I then subscribe to interesting topics (such as this one) so I get all subsequent posts as emails.

Ah, I took your previous post to mean there's some gatewaying of the Sumoforum through the SML server going on. (Which Joe was considering at one point but never implemented AFAIK.)

There's a cryptic "Notify me of new comments" feature on the notifications control panel, but having activated it a few hours ago it didn't actually do anything upon your post being made, so I guess it's something different than a "notify me of everything" feature.

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

Don't know if that helps, but there's a RSS feed for the sumoforum (button at the lower left). Never tried it, though.

Edited September 10, 2013 by Jakusotsu

[Kintamayama 45,530]

  On 10/09/2013 at 18:04, Jakusotsu said:

Don't know if that helps, but there's a RSS feed for the sumoforum (button at the lower left). Never tried it, though.

Works well. Use it all the time.

[Asashosakari 19,667]

Hmm, looks like I might have made a timely download of the SML archives earlier today...it's 404'ing for me now.

[Fukurou 534]

  On 10/09/2013 at 05:30, kashiwara said:

Informative as the Forum is, it's always great to have additional sources and perspectives. Unfortunately, we're about to lose one of those. The owner of Sumo Mailing List is no longer able to provide that service to all of us. If we can't identify a replacement, SML is toast.

So here's a request: anybody out there, or anybody you know, who loves sumo and is tech-savvy enough to be willing to pick up the task of looking after it?

I'm sure all of those on the List will be more than grateful!

I just wish the list wasn't broken. I haven't received a message from SML in months. A bit of digging showed I can send to the list, and it goes through fine, I just can't receive. And the list owner has been unable to fix whatever the problem is. :(

[kashiwara 1]

Because ability to post anything on SML list has been intermittent over the past few months, I think a lot of Listers weren't even aware that the owner isn't going to maintain it any more. Those trying to find an alternative option haven't been able to access Joe's list, so nobody's been "notified." Sounds from an earlier posting (now displaying a 404 notice) like it really may be too late to save it. It's a shame, as there was a lot of sumo knowledge among those on the List, in addition to what's here.

[dss902 0]

Thank you for this post...I was posting news items, videos etc to the list and received no replies...

Thank you for the RSS headsup as I have now added it my reader...it was google reader until it died, now I use http://www.netvibes.com

[Asashosakari 19,667]

  On 10/09/2013 at 20:32, Asashosakari said:

Hmm, looks like I might have made a timely download of the SML archives earlier today...it's 404'ing for me now.

Back again.

[Manekineko 200]

My alternate address where I received sumo ML died on me this summer. I tried to resubscribe to the list with a new address last week, but since it was one of several lists/Forums where I had to change the address I didn't really notice that I received no confirmation nor posts...

[kawika 123]

if i figure out how to install mailman on EC2, i think i can accept the handover from Joe

[Gaijingai 1,597]

Then get in touch with Joe Klemmer at joe.klemmer@gmail.com He has a lot going on in his life right now that is not good, so it may be several days before you may hear from him. You may need to e-mail him 2 or 3 times. Ask how he is doing.

[kashiwara 1]

  On 12/09/2013 at 21:22, kawika said:

if i figure out how to install mailman on EC2, i think i can accept the handover from Joe

That would be wonderful! Also removes a great burden from Joe.

if you can continue the List, I think many of us would be really, really grateful, me included! Arrigato!!

[Asashosakari 19,667]

Hard to avoid noticing that, after a brief flurry of "so good to know the list will continue!" comments, the SML has gone right back to being almost exclusively Kobayashi results posts...

[sashimaru 10]

  On 24/09/2013 at 03:40, Asashosakari said:

Hard to avoid noticing that, after a brief flurry of "so good to know the list will continue!" comments, the SML has gone right back to being almost exclusively Kobayashi results posts...

You should have send this via SML. B-)

[Asashosakari 19,667]

  On 24/09/2013 at 05:20, sashimaru said:

You should have send this via SML. B-)

Anything but that... (I'm not sure I have send access anyway as an inactive member.)

Seriously: I've rarely come across any place on the internet that engenders such passionate pleas for its continued survival, yet which is in actual fact in almost complete disuse. Sometimes it seems the remaining list members are more fans of the list itself and of certain other list members than they are fans of sumo, and than they are fans of talking about sumo. Nothing wrong with that, but I'm really struggling to identify such a place as one that provides "additional perspectives" about sumo, as the OP would have it.

With Joe struggling to maintain the list any longer, I was sort of expecting some honest appraisal of what the SML is actually supposed to be used for before somebody gets drafted into maintaining it (because, you know, there's little point in investing the work if nobody's going to use the place), but it seems all anybody's asking of the SML nowadays is to serve as a security blanket... It's there, and people feel good about that, but that's about it.

Edited September 24, 2013 by Asashosakari

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

Reminds me of this hilarious recent "conversation" at the derelict newsgroup:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.sumo/M66ZOwfLrTM

"News like that should really be posted here!" - priceless B-)

[Orion 431]

  On 24/09/2013 at 03:40, Asashosakari said:

Hard to avoid noticing that, after a brief flurry of "so good to know the list will continue!" comments, the SML has gone right back to being almost exclusively Kobayashi results posts...

I'm very happy to have it back; the traffic is just about as much as I can manage while sumo is happening just down the road -- I've also had a number of personal messages from lurkers.

Sumo Forum traffic is about right for me too, though in a different way; during a basho there's a long line of "Sumo Games" posts that I can just scroll down without opening. That's nice and tidy.

Orion

Edited September 24, 2013 by Orion

[Asashosakari 19,667]

  On 24/09/2013 at 07:55, Orion said:

I'm very happy to have it back; the traffic is just about as much as I can manage while sumo is happening just down the road -- I've also had a number of personal messages from lurkers.

Hey, if it works for you, then everything's great.

[Kintamayama 45,530]

  On 24/09/2013 at 07:13, Jakusotsu said:

Reminds me of this hilarious recent "conversation" at the derelict newsgroup:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.sumo/M66ZOwfLrTM

"News like that should really be posted here!" - priceless B-)

Oh, that's Epstein..