Naganoyama 5,911 Posted September 18, 2013 Harumafuji's remaining career is going to be one long struggle. He still has all his high-ranking opponents left to face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,331 Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) Is it just my ears or did Asahiyama call Satoyama "Katayama" in the mono-ii announcement (at 2:09 specifically)? Can someone enlighten me as to the rules on choking an opponent out?Choke holds are illegal in Ozumo. The most you can get away with is open-handed pushing against the throat, as e.g. Tokushinho is fond of doing. Edited September 18, 2013 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,514 Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) Is it just my ears or did Asahiyama call Satoyama "Katayama" in the mono-ii announcement (at 2:09 specifically)? He's choking a bit on it, but to me it sounds like Satoyama. Why are the rikishi after their first career-kinboshi all in tears this basho? It's only Harumafuji they won against (Oops!) Edited September 18, 2013 by Akinomaki 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomitsuki 2,826 Posted September 18, 2013 Is it just me, or will they need a jumbo store of chikara-mizu on the West side tomorrow? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingo 1,263 Posted September 18, 2013 I'm starting to feel sorry for Harumafuji... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,514 Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) Something interesting I hadn't noticed before: “tori-naoshi” after a mono-ii is displayed in the kokugikan as the “result” of the (first) bout, under “kimari-te”. Well, the gyoji announces it as such, instead of calling the winner he says: “Tadaima no shoubu, tori-naoshi ni gozaimasu - This contest is to be re-done” Edited September 18, 2013 by Akinomaki 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
botev1921 33 Posted September 18, 2013 Is it just my ears or did Asahiyama call Satoyama "Katayama" in the mono-ii announcement (at 2:09 specifically)? He's choking a bit on it, but to me it sounds like Satoyama. Why are the rikishi after their first career-kinboshi all in tears this basho? It's only Harumafuji they won against (Oops!) A win against yokozuna is a win nonetheless. It remains part of the sumo profile of the particular person. Shohozan and Aoiyama will never reach the highest ranks, so this one counts as an achievement. It doesn't mind the win was against the worst yokozuna in history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,969 Posted September 18, 2013 It doesn't mind the win was against the worst yokozuna in history.I know what you're getting at, but calling a Yokozuna with three zensho and two 14-1 yusho worst in history? Gimme a break. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shumitto 418 Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) Hakuho's early bouts in a basho aren't usually very exciting but this basho they are worth watching. His quick maki-kai to surprising Okinoumi - best rikishi in the meatgrinder - proved the deciding factor today and another good bout. Nice stuff ! Harumafuji doesn't look that bad actually from a technical point of view, with injuries not being that much of a factor I would dare to say, it's more his approach what jeopardizes bouts and ultimately his career. Today Aoiyama was seemingly under control but overeagerness is just what one needs to ruin it. "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen". I didn't see Kotooshu being helped today. Myogiryu's head touched the dohyo first and that was the call (from the shinpan who didn't have just one angle to count on, although we know they are not that reliable). Three Ozeki have lost already but credit must be also given to the tough pack sitting below them. Ikioi has a nice approach to sumo but something in the way he moves gives the impression we won't be a fixture in the upper ranks. He's lost even to Harumafuji. :-P Kyokutenho's face is starting to show his age but his sumo is not. Toyonoshima did well today for someone one wouldn't expect to see mouting the dohyo again this basho, but his career clearly heads downhill, as he has trouble perfoming from a rank he used to dominate. Osunaarashi is good but - please don't get me wrong - I am yet to see what makes him much better than the likes of Roho and Kokkai (also injury-wise). Edited September 18, 2013 by shumitto 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronnie 221 Posted September 18, 2013 "the worst yokozuna in history." Go to the database, fetch up the list of Yokozuna, scroll down to Onokuni and start checking the records of some of those guys. Then see if you can come back here and say that Harumafuji is the worst in history. Kyokutenho's face is starting to show his age but his sumo is not. I reckon the old fella has decided to make this his birthday bash(o) (Holiday feeling...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomitsuki 2,826 Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) It doesn't mind the win was against the worst yokozuna in history.I know what you're getting at, but calling a Yokozuna with three zensho and two 14-1 yusho worst in history? Gimme a break.I fully agree. Within his first seven Yokozuna basho, Harumafuji has conceded nine kinboshi. Of course, this seems like a lot, but others had to give away many more kinboshi in the same timeframe (11 for Mienoumi, 15 for Wakanohana III, 17 for Tochinoumi). Some of you may still vaguely remember this guy. He also gave away nine kinboshi in his first seven basho, and I am not sure if anybody named him worst yokozuna in history back then. Edited September 18, 2013 by Randomitsuki 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,331 Posted September 18, 2013 As he's down to 0-2 in low makushita and the end may be near, here's a trivia question: Hochiyama is the provisional holder of a modern-era record and will definitely hold it if he fails to become sekitori again before he retires. What is it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
botev1921 33 Posted September 18, 2013 "the worst yokozuna in history." Go to the database, fetch up the list of Yokozuna, scroll down to Onokuni and start checking the records of some of those guys. Then see if you can come back here and say that Harumafuji is the worst in history. Don't fucking patronize me for having an opinion different than yours! I don't give a shit about records and stats and I base my opinion on what I see. The guy is a mess and in no way deserving of any respect in my opinion and you are to respect it just like I respect your right to disagree! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
botev1921 33 Posted September 18, 2013 It doesn't mind the win was against the worst yokozuna in history.I know what you're getting at, but calling a Yokozuna with three zensho and two 14-1 yusho worst in history? Gimme a break.I fully agree. Within his first seven Yokozuna basho, Harumafuji has conceded nine kinboshi. Of course, this seems like a lot, but others had to give away many more kinboshi in the same timeframe (11 for Mienoumi, 15 for Wakanohana III, 17 for Tochinoumi). Some of you may still vaguely remember this guy. He also gave away nine kinboshi in his first seven basho, and I am not sure if anybody named him worst yokozuna in history back then. This guy had 4 yusho in his first 7 basho as yokozuna by the way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) As he's down to 0-2 in low makushita and the end may be near, here's a trivia question: Hochiyama is the provisional holder of a modern-era record and will definitely hold it if he fails to become sekitori again before he retires. What is it?How about most consecutive sekitori bashos with less than 10 wins? Edited September 18, 2013 by Asojima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senkoho 552 Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) As he's down to 0-2 in low makushita and the end may be near, here's a trivia question: Hochiyama is the provisional holder of a modern-era record and will definitely hold it if he fails to become sekitori again before he retires. What is it? most Makuuchi basho without even a single kachi-koshi? Edited September 18, 2013 by Senkoho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,331 Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) As he's down to 0-2 in low makushita and the end may be near, here's a trivia question: Hochiyama is the provisional holder of a modern-era record and will definitely hold it if he fails to become sekitori again before he retires. What is it?most Makuuchi basho without even a single kachi-koshi?That was quick. :-) Indeed he's the only rikishi in modern history to have featured in makuuchi 6 or more times without a single KK. (Quite a few rikishi had 5-basho makuuchi careers without any KK; Takanoyama may end up being one of them.) He's not the one with the longest makuuchi KK wait overall though, just the longest one that wasn't rewarded - without checking exhaustively, there's Kimurayama who MK'ed 7 straight times before his first KK, and Ushiomaru who had 8 MK (one of them 0-0-15) in between his first and second KK. Edit: And I just noticed that I posted all this in the wrong thread, should have gone into the Comments one. If any mod feels like moving the last three posts and the trivia question, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Edited September 18, 2013 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masumasumasu 902 Posted September 18, 2013 "the worst yokozuna in history."Go to the database, fetch up the list of Yokozuna, scroll down to Onokuni and start checking the records of some of those guys. Then see if you can come back here and say that Harumafuji is the worst in history. Don't fucking patronize me for having an opinion different than yours! I don't give a shit about records and stats and I base my opinion on what I see. The guy is a mess and in no way deserving of any respect in my opinion and you are to respect it just like I respect your right to disagree! Harumafuji doesn't deserve any respect? Really? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 2,028 Posted September 18, 2013 "the worst yokozuna in history." Go to the database, fetch up the list of Yokozuna, scroll down to Onokuni and start checking the records of some of those guys. Then see if you can come back here and say that Harumafuji is the worst in history. Don't fucking patronize me for having an opinion different than yours! I don't give a shit about records and stats and I base my opinion on what I see. The guy is a mess and in no way deserving of any respect in my opinion and you are to respect it just like I respect your right to disagree! I for one totally respect your opinion. That being said, you're just and simply tittyshittyfucky wrong. Excuse my Bulgarian. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andreas21 184 Posted September 18, 2013 I am glad that the promotion to Juryo and his new name gave ex-Wakamisho an astonishing push forward. I always liked his cautious and unagitated approach to Sumo, but unlike before he stands solid as a rock if attacked. Apropos solid as a rock, I give Aoiyama full credit for his win today. We'll see if that gives him the confidence that he would have needed most of the time. In fact, he's heavy and strong and has decent technique, he should be a threat to anybody. I've seen a lot of awsome Sumo in this basho so far, I enjoyed it very much. Kotooshu vs. Myogiryu today, Kisenosato vs. Okinoumi yesterday made me jump up in excitement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morty 1,495 Posted September 19, 2013 Is it just my ears or did Asahiyama call Satoyama "Katayama" in the mono-ii announcement (at 2:09 specifically)? Can someone enlighten me as to the rules on choking an opponent out?Choke holds are illegal in Ozumo. The most you can get away with is open-handed pushing against the throat, as e.g. Tokushinho is fond of doing. Thanks, appreciate it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pandaazuma 1,310 Posted September 19, 2013 Botev: Serious question...on what criteria do your base your assessment of Harumafuji as the worst ever yokozuna? Given that you've not seen every yokozuna fight (none of us have) and given also that his record as a yokozuna is not the worst ever either (eg. http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Default.aspx) I simply don't see how you can come to that conclusion. You say you don't care about stats/records...fair enough...but as I said, if you've not seen all the yokozuna, how can anyone here respect your opinion on this topic as an informed one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asameshimae 220 Posted September 19, 2013 Was it this thread that someone said Harima is the worst yok ever? I am sure he got lots of feedback already. Anyway, you don't even have to go that far back to find a worse one. Wakanobana III didn't make Yokozuna on the stellar performance Haruma did, never really looked like he wanted the job that badly, never won a yusho as a yok and was gone after a short time. Haruma just this January got a zensho yusho, which is not that common though Haku makes it look easy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sekitori 492 Posted September 19, 2013 (edited) Futahaguro is the only yokozuna to retire after never winning a single makunouchi yusho. Even his qualifications for yokozuna promotion--consecutive records of 10-5, 12-3, and 14-1 in a playoff loss to Chiyonofuji, a total of 36 wins in three bashos, were minimal. After he became a yokozuna, his best records were two bashos at 12-3 (one of them another playoff loss to Chiyonofuji) and his final basho at 13-2 after which he "retired" from sumo. He actually was expelled supposedly for extremely negative behavior toward a tsukebito, his oyakata, and the oyakata's wife. His career as a yokozuna lasted for all of eight bashos and it ended in complete disgrace. If anyone deserves the title of worst yokozuna in history, I think it has to be Futahaguro. No one else even comes close. Edited September 20, 2013 by sekitori Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,514 Posted September 19, 2013 Uh, that was heavy by Ōsunaarashi – doing the Shohozan today ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
