Kintamayama 44,647 Posted November 5, 2013 Endou has not done any real keiko yet. Today he went to the hospital and what was regarded as a sprained left ankle is now diagnosed as a fracture. "I'm worried that he won't be able to hold out 15 days.." said Oitekaze Oyakata. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALAKTORN 346 Posted November 5, 2013 Man, this sucks. I bet he’ll go Baruto. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
p2501 15 Posted November 5, 2013 Wow... He has been doing Shiko with a broken ankle or foot... :-( I didn't know fracture and broken bone are the same thing: http://manhattanorthopedic.com/2012/01/sticks-and-stones-may-break-our-bones-but-what-exactly-is-a-fracture/ Thats bad :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 671 Posted November 5, 2013 An athlete with a sprained ankle who didn't get an x-ray on the day of his injury? :-O As I have often pondered, the outlook of sumo on the subject of medical treatments is beyond me... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,647 Posted November 5, 2013 It's an injury that will heal-IF they let him rest. He is currently the Kyokai's golden egg- laying chicken, so some may be egging him on to get on with it already.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) It's an injury that will heal-IF they let him rest. He is currently the Kyokai's golden egg- laying chicken, so some may be egging him on to get on with it already.. If they can't wait and ride the Goeidozeki suspense for the next couple of basho, it could indeed mean Endou da road rather soon... Edited November 5, 2013 by kuroimori 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronnie 221 Posted November 5, 2013 Man, this sucks. I bet he’ll go Baruto. I don't suppose he'll be too unhappy at the prospect of making it to Ozeki and winning the Emperors Cup before he retires ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masumasumasu 902 Posted November 5, 2013 Has a rikishi ever faked an injury as a strategy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sekitori 492 Posted November 5, 2013 Has a rikishi ever faked an injury as a strategy? People have been accused of faking injuries in many sports. I'm sure it has been done in sumo as well. If you care to see what probably is one of the worst acted fake sports injuries ever, watch this one from a recent Auburn-Arkansas college football game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSaWPGOi1Oo#t=0 If a rikishi ever tries to come up with a fake injury, it certainly will look a lot more realistic than this guy's. :-) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bettega 431 Posted November 5, 2013 If... just a big IF he goes Kyujo all 15 days that means Juryo? How many days he should fight to keep Makuushi? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,647 Posted November 5, 2013 If... just a big IF he goes Kyujo all 15 days that means Juryo? How many days he should fight to keep Makuushi? I'd say he needs 4 wins to be safe, maybe 3 if he's really lucky.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benevolance 2,484 Posted November 6, 2013 Would juryo be a bad thing for him, really? I mean, Endo's got style and skill, but I think he needs to be stronger/better conditioned if he's seriously going to be considered a rival for Hakuho, as Big H has called on him to be. Another Juryo yuusho and effectively 5 months to toughen up for Makuuchi might not be a terrible idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sekitori 492 Posted November 6, 2013 If... just a big IF he goes Kyujo all 15 days that means Juryo? How many days he should fight to keep Makuushi? I'd say he needs 4 wins to be safe, maybe 3 if he's really lucky.. Four wins will keep him at the bottom of Makunouchi but getting them could cause further injury. If he goes kyujo, he should be no worse than Juryo 3 or 4, he will have had time to heal, and he should easily be able to get back to Makunouchi from that rank. If he's not fully healed, going kyujo seems to be the only logical decision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,053 Posted November 6, 2013 Hakuri-kosetsu is a special fracture, in the other thread I used the terms sprain fracture and avulsion fracture for it. http://orthopedics.about.com/od/brokenbones/a/avulsion.htm states: “Another example commonly seen is a patient with an ankle sprain. The ankle ligaments that were damaged often pull off a small piece of bone from its attachment site. Again, these injuries are treated as an ankle sprain, as the small piece of bone really does not affect the treatment decisions or outcome of the patient.“ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 671 Posted November 6, 2013 Hakuri-kosetsu is a special fracture, in the other thread I used the terms sprain fracture and avulsion fracture for it. http://orthopedics.about.com/od/brokenbones/a/avulsion.htm states: “Another example commonly seen is a patient with an ankle sprain. The ankle ligaments that were damaged often pull off a small piece of bone from its attachment site. Again, these injuries are treated as an ankle sprain, as the small piece of bone really does not affect the treatment decisions or outcome of the patient.“ Having suffered a similar injury recently, I can tell you that this is only half true. Its true from a doctor's standpoint, but not from the pain management aspect. The loose small piece of bone can hurt. A lot. It might not affect the ability of the ankle to function, or support weight, but intense pain at random movements is not conducive to good results in any sporting event. If the reported injury is what he actually has, my guess is he fights at the basho (since it will not get worse), has mediocre results and then have the minor surgery required to remove it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,053 Posted November 6, 2013 Endo today started moushi-ai keiko with makushita, 13 bouts, without meeting any resistance. “At times it hurts, at times it doesn't. I wanted to try it.”Oitekaze-oyakata: “He does sumo, so he may be able to manage it some way or the other. If he wins at the basho, that's a good medicine.”http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20131106/sum13110615280001-n1.htmlhttp://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/sports/sumou/201442/300 times shiko stamping each day for about 1.5h. At Nichiday he had a knee injury and was sidelined for half a year: “Compared to that this time is easy.”http://www.jiji.com/jc/c?g=spo_30&k=2013110600703keiko said to be from the 31stolder kyujo talk:http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2013/11/06/kiji/K20131106006955950.htmlhttp://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20131106/sum13110605020000-n1.html 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bettega 431 Posted November 6, 2013 Oh man... let it heal properly! The sumo needs you healthy. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,647 Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) It seems his Achilles' tendon is inflamed as well. Edited November 7, 2013 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuroimori 1,634 Posted November 7, 2013 It seems his Achilles' tendon is inflamed as well. So what does he do? He decides to see how bad his situation is by actually training.. He had 13 bouts against Makushita and under rikishi at home yesterday. That was his first real training session since going kyujo last basho. "Sometimes it hurt, sometimes it didn't.. I wanted to test myself. It was better than I thought." he explained. He was cheerful. His ankle was taped up tightly. While he seemed to be favoring the leg when throwing, but when he got the front of the mawashi he showed a lot of power. "I still am slow responding. I'll be going at it slowly while taking care carefully," he added. His oyakata who hinted at kyujo two days ago: "If he wins one or two during the basho, that would be good medicine.." It get's scarier every day. One can only hope that - if he keeps ignoring all the kyujo indications - he starts 4-0 and then pulls a kyujo. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony 16 Posted November 7, 2013 If he teares his Achilles tendon, he would be kyujo for three tournament at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,053 Posted November 8, 2013 Endo on the 6th won all 13http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/sumo/news/20131107-OHT1T00019.htmhttp://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2013/11/07/kiji/K20131107006961430.htmlmore tapinghttp://www.nikkansports.com/sports/sumo/news/p-sp-tp3-20131107-1214767.html11-1 on the 7th, happy that the pain doesn't get worse: „Not 100% yet, but I want to do as much bouts as possible.“ The oyakata is relieved: “(Entering is) OK.”http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2013/11/08/kiji/K20131108006967680.html 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsubame 359 Posted November 9, 2013 Sounds like a sure kyujo after the first week... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,053 Posted November 9, 2013 Endo on the 6thAfter pausing on the 8th he did on the 9th 17 bouts moushi-ai with makushita: ”My stamina hasn't decreased as much as I thought. I'm doing the 15 days trying to get along well with the injury.”http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2013/11/09/kiji/K20131109006976440.htmlhttp://www.nikkansports.com/sports/sumo/news/f-sp-tp3-20131109-1215913.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,053 Posted November 10, 2013 Endo 14-3 yesterday, 17 in a row without gasping – not aiming for kachi-koshi or a certain number of wins, only to stay in the whole 15 days.Nagatanien has 13 kensho for day 1, 3 of them for the Endo bout – both yokozuna only have 2 each from them.http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2013/11/10/kiji/K20131110006981180.htmlhttp://www.daily.co.jp/sumo/2013/11/10/0006485961.shtmlhttp://www.zakzak.co.jp/sports/etc_sports/news/20131110/spo1311100731001-n1.htmhttp://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/sumo/news/20131109-OHT1T00213.htm 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bettega 431 Posted November 10, 2013 I think he's looking for the 3-4 wins needed to keep his Makuuchi status and leave after that. ... well, I'm Brazilian and many times the Sumo culture eludes me. Why fight this way? Why not wait one basho and fight more and better? Sorry, but a victory, like his oyakata said, is not a cure. Not even close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
