Kyushu Basho 2013 discussion thread

[Akinomaki 40,773]

Sadogatake-oyakata about Kotoshogiku: “I think it's around the joint of the pectoralis major muscle and the biceps brachii muscle. He went unreasonably on with his armpit open while being subject to a sukui-nage attempt. For training there is only the gum tube. He should strengthen other parts as well.”

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/sports/news/131112/mrt13111211080001-n1.htm

“Seems it is not that bad. There are no other parts torn and the ruptured part is not that large. He can put more strength into it than yesterday.”

Kotoshogiku wants to return for the Hatsu basho without having surgery. The 3 months rest are thought in case of surgery. If he will be in the winter jungyo or not will be discussed with the jungyo department.

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2013/11/12/kiji/K20131112006998370.html

[Akinomaki 40,773]

Harumafuji has his first 3 win start since his zensho yusho at the Hatsu basho.

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2013/11/12/kiji/K20131112006999550.html

Urutora had dislocated his shoulder before the basho and could not train properly.

The oyakata had told him to move around for 3 min., but on day 2 he lost in less than 10 sec.

http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/sumo/news/20131111-OHT1T00241.htm

Chiyotairyu: “My sumo is of bad quality but I'm winning. When I keep winning I'll meet the top rankers. Because I did not have enough keiko I want to go into the basho after getting into sweat from morning keiko.”

http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20131112/sum13111220130006-n1.html

[Washuyama 641]

Now more sure than ever to drop:

Kotooshu injured his left shoulder when he fell from the dohyo, likely a subluxation of the shoulder joint. As an emergency measure the loose shoulder was put back into place. It is very painful. Kyujo or not is decided in the morning. On his way to the hospital:

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2013/11/12/kiji/K20131112006999670.html

http://www.asahi.com/articles/SEB201311120026.html

Wow... Sounds like his constant kadobans have finally caught up with him...

And his performance in the last 3 years doesn't give much hope that a 10 win return to Ozeki is very possible. Although the fact that his only double digit wins in the last three years have been in the three Hatsu basho might give him some hope.

I still contend Osh is one of the best in the business. All he needs is motivation to give 100%. Dropping to Sekiwake is a pay cut and I feel THAT will be motivation enough. IF he drops to Sekiwake, I predict he'll get the needed 10th win by day 11 or 12 at Hatsu.

[Mark.Buckton 68]

Now more sure than ever to drop:

Kotooshu injured his left shoulder when he fell from the dohyo, likely a subluxation of the shoulder joint. As an emergency measure the loose shoulder was put back into place. It is very painful. Kyujo or not is decided in the morning. On his way to the hospital:

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2013/11/12/kiji/K20131112006999670.html

http://www.asahi.com/articles/SEB201311120026.html

Wow... Sounds like his constant kadobans have finally caught up with him...

And his performance in the last 3 years doesn't give much hope that a 10 win return to Ozeki is very possible. Although the fact that his only double digit wins in the last three years have been in the three Hatsu basho might give him some hope.

I still contend Osh is one of the best in the business. All he needs is motivation to give 100%. Dropping to Sekiwake is a pay cut and I feel THAT will be motivation enough. IF he drops to Sekiwake, I predict he'll get the needed 10th win by day 11 or 12 at Hatsu.

sorry Scott - one of the worst in the biz. Be gone by Jan.

[bettega 431]

I like Osh a lot, really.

But I think that a drop to Sekiwake will take him the same route than Baruto: a drop to Maegashira and Intai.

Too many changes this basho! I don`t like so many changes :(

[shumitto 418]

Kotooshu was good but he has too many miles on him. (Bye, bye...)

Luckily we will soon have Goeido filling in for him.

[Kaioshoryu 63]

Not liking this basho at all so far...

[Asashosakari 19,651]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h08OPMoyJpw

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

And wasn't Takayasu out at the same time as Tochiozan? Not even a mono-ii, although they had more than enough time to spare.

[Masumasumasu 902]

Harumafuji knows that he touched first.

He should have admitted to the gyoji that he lost.

[Akinomaki 40,773]

Day 3: 3563 spectators
NHK news with (hidden) video: Kotooshu Kyujo
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20131113/k10013014611000.html
http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20131113/sum13111311330001-n1.html
4 weeks to heal. Sadogatake-oyakata: “When the pain recedes and he can move the shoulder again he aims to re-enter the basho.” If he stays kyujo he'll lose his ozeki rank, which he kept for 8 years, 47 basho.
“He received a painkiller injection but it was difficult to do sumo. He had the strong wish to continue at the basho. I don't want to have him to re-enter unreasonably, but he knows best that he's kadoban.”
“If he drops I'll let him to keep at it to train for getting the 10 wins next basho.”

[Gernobono 467]

Day 3: 3563 spectators

i was shocked seeing the many empty seats on monday

and not only back up at the 2nd floor, but even on the groundfloor....am not sure if every second one was occupied

[Akinomaki 40,773]

Kotoshogiku about the affected part: “Still a high temperature, the way to treat it is not decided yet.” In any case he wants to concentrate on the treatment. He watched the morning keiko of the other rikishi and did gum tube training. “I'm feeling fit, that's bothering.”

http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/sumo/news/20131113-OHT1T00110.htm

Endo: “My first win came quicker than I thought.”

http://www.nikkansports.com/sports/sumo/news/f-sp-tp3-20131113-1217817.html

Paul will watch on day 5, the 14^th. Photo session with the yokozuna is planned.

http://www.asahi.com/articles/SEB201311130021.html

[Akinomaki 40,773]

Isegahama head shimpan is kyujo till the end of the basho – he went to a hospital because of poor health. A stomach examination and some head illness. Former head judge Takanohana-oyakata will be filling in, today it was Asahiyama-oyakata.

http://www.jiji.com/jc/c?g=spo_30&k=2013111300622

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2013/11/13/kiji/K20131113007005480.html

[Pippooshu 1]

Now more sure than ever to drop:

Kotooshu injured his left shoulder when he fell from the dohyo, likely a subluxation of the shoulder joint. As an emergency measure the loose shoulder was put back into place. It is very painful. Kyujo or not is decided in the morning. On his way to the hospital:

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2013/11/12/kiji/K20131112006999670.html

http://www.asahi.com/articles/SEB201311120026.html

Wow... Sounds like his constant kadobans have finally caught up with him...

And his performance in the last 3 years doesn't give much hope that a 10 win return to Ozeki is very possible. Although the fact that his only double digit wins in the last three years have been in the three Hatsu basho might give him some hope.

I still contend Osh is one of the best in the business. All he needs is motivation to give 100%. Dropping to Sekiwake is a pay cut and I feel THAT will be motivation enough. IF he drops to Sekiwake, I predict he'll get the needed 10th win by day 11 or 12 at Hatsu.

Mmm...I'm afraid about this is the prelude to his Intai...

[Akinomaki 40,773]

Endo after getting slapped 2 times won against Tokitenku (that was the one who dragged him unfit onto the jungyo dohyo).

Oitekaze-oyakata about his not recovered injury: “It's like it gets worse by doing sumo and gets back to the state before by treatment. But doing the 15 days while having a part in pain, that is the professional. Because being able to compete in perfect condition only happens for a (limited) number of basho.”

http://www.jiji.com/jc/c?g=spo_30&k=2013111300971

[Akinomaki 40,773]

Day 3: 3563 spectators

i was shocked seeing the many empty seats on monday

and not only back up at the 2nd floor, but even on the groundfloor....am not sure if every second one was occupied

Attendance on weekdays is only slightly up from last year, these 4 days it was up about 150~500. The panels of local rikishi of all divisions on the corridors are an idea by Kyushu basho co-responsible Asakayama-oyakata (local hero Kaio), who was running around doing all kind of PR.

Chief responsible Tateyama-oyakata: “Only the oyakata doing their best is useless, the yokozuna/ozeki have to lead the yusho race.”

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/sports/news/131113/mrt13111320100004-n1.htm

[Akinomaki 40,773]

Isegahama head shimpan is kyujo till the end of the basho – he went to a hospital because of poor health.

The diagnosis was not published, but Isegahama-oykata is in hospital to check for a suspected stroke (revealed by some connection). He went there by taxi after complaining of nausea in the morning.

http://www.daily.co.jp/newsflash/general/2013/11/13/0006495081.shtml

[Akinomaki 40,773]

Goeido this basho takes care to do slow gestures on the dohyo. “I thought of it myself. It's to get into a quiet mood, because it is of no avail to be in a hurry.”

http://www.jiji.com/jc/c?g=spo_30&k=2013111300931

Kitanoumi-rijicho: “When the top (banzuke) slots open up, one has to go for it. He must think that this is the chance and seize it.”

http://www.nikkansports.com/sports/sumo/news/f-sp-tp3-20131113-1217864.html

And about Kotooshu's chance to return after a drop: “In the upper ranks there now are many tough opponents. 10 wins are hard to get.”

http://www.nikkansports.com/sports/sumo/news/f-sp-tp3-20131113-1217867.html

[Mukonoso 273]

Man I'd hate for Kotooshu to retire before I got a chance to meet him and shake his hand once. He is probably the first rikishi that I was able to recognize consistently since I got back into watching sumo a couple years ago. As it is I've got a bad feeling that he won't be around on the off chance I get to go to Japan with my wife and daughter on their trip next May. I had been thinking of taking the shinkansen up to Tokyo to see the basho. Oh well.

[ALAKTORN 346]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdTP5dQk1jg&list=PL3oHIWgGXp--bhujq46a70hOblM4JwMRJ

I love this shimpan buchō. :-D In the 2 mono-ii announcements so far, there were problems in both and he ended up apologizing.

On another note, how did the gyōji get that one wrong?

Edit: can someone clarify what he says to mean “contrary to the gunbai”? “Sasshigai”? I thought I knew the word but turns out I only vaguely understand it… Edited November 14, 2013 by ALAKTORN

[Kuroyama 715]

On another note, how did the gyōji get that one wrong?

He is but a youth, and yet unskilled.

[sekitori 492]

Harumafuji knows that he touched first.

He should have admitted to the gyoji that he lost.

Has a rikishi who was declared the winner of a bout ever admitted to the gyoji or a shimpan immediately after that decision that he thought he lost? Even if he did, would that have had any effect on the outcome? Sumo is a tough business where every win counts. If the gyoji says you won and the shimpan-iin agree with that decision, you just keep quiet and gratefully accept the result.

[Masumasumasu 902]

Harumafuji knows that he touched first.

He should have admitted to the gyoji that he lost.

Has a rikishi who was declared the winner of a bout ever admitted to the gyoji or a shimpan immediately after that decision that he thought he lost?

I don't know. He'd be my hero if he did. Here's the replay:

[Masumasumasu 902]

There were ages of time left. Could they have not had a mono-ii?

Honestly, does anyone really disagree?

Who was the shimpan sitting closest to the rikishi when the incident occurred?