Kotooshu preparation for ...

[salle 11]

According to Bulgarian news site (not citing any sources) Kotooshu applied for cessation of his Bulgarian citizenship.

I can only interpret that as preparation for the role of oyakata very soon.

Edited November 20, 2013 by salle

[Mukonoso 273]

Erg... want to hit the "Like This" button but I'm not quite ready for him to retire from the ring yet. (In jonokuchi...)

[Akinomaki 40,053]

He and Hakuho so far are gambling dangerously with their future by not acquiring the Japanese citizenship - anything that would cause an early retirement catapults them out of the sumo world. Any foreign rikishi planning to become an oyakata has to become Japanese as early as possible. Kyokutenho is naturalized for years and had no intentions to retire.

[Asashosakari 18,972]

He and Hakuho so far are gambling dangerously with their future by not acquiring the Japanese citizenship - anything that would cause an early retirement catapults them out of the sumo world.

Just about anything that could cause an early (as in: sudden) retirement would probably also cause the Kyokai to not accept them as oyakata, even if they were naturalized...

[krindel 671]

He and Hakuho so far are gambling dangerously with their future by not acquiring the Japanese citizenship - anything that would cause an early retirement catapults them out of the sumo world.

Just about anything that could cause an early (as in: sudden) retirement would probably also cause the Kyokai to not accept them as oyakata, even if they were naturalized...

There is a point to that (i.e. if you end up being kicked out Asashoryu-style and you are naturalized you are out of the sumo world and stuck in Japan to boot), but I think it is still a good strategy for high rankers who plan to become oyakata to get their citizenship issue over with in a timely fashion. At the very least that allows you to grab a myoseki as soon as a good opportunity appears (at least with the current status).

Then again, if you are Kotooshu and are on the fence with deciding if your future lies in sumo or not, giving up an EU passport is not necessarily something you should rush into doing...

[Jakusotsu 5,874]

Which makes me wonder if Asasekiryu has any plans to stay with the NSK.

[Akinomaki 40,053]

He and Hakuho so far are gambling dangerously with their future by not acquiring the Japanese citizenship - anything that would cause an early retirement catapults them out of the sumo world.

Just about anything that could cause an early (as in: sudden) retirement would probably also cause the Kyokai to not accept them as oyakata, even if they were naturalized...

Yes, I thought so as well, therefore I didn't write sudden but early: e. g. a debilitating injury which ends the career of a yokozuna and ozeki or other causes not too dishonest to be thrown out. Of course in that case the NSK might let the rikishi stay till he gets the Japanese nationality - but that takes time, that is the danger.

Especially those married to Japanese and talking already about their own deshi should have no reason to wait.

There was recently talk of some retired naturalized rikishi who left the kyokai and Japan though – I didn't understand why he became Japanese.

Edited November 20, 2013 by Akinomaki

[Raishu 207]

There was recently talk of some retired naturalized rikishi who left the kyokai and Japan though – I didn't understand why he became Japanese.

You mean Shironoryu, I assume. Maybe he had the intention to become an oyakata one day? (with the nessesary 30 sekitori bashos under his belt)

Injuries prevented him from doing so, as we all know ...

[bettega 431]

According to Bulgarian news site (not citing any sources) Kotooshu applied for cessation of his Bulgarian citizenship.

I can only interpret that as preparation for the role of oyakata very soon.

Is it possible to have no citizenship?

If Kotooshu is not naturalized in any other country why he would ask for this cessation?

Edited November 21, 2013 by bettega

[Akinomaki 40,053]

Kotooshu is applying for Japanese citizenship, he would be the first European rikishi to get it. He is married to a Japanese since May 2009 and is expected to take on her maiden name Ando. All for the acquisition is arranged, all papers ready, he has prepared it for about a year. It is expected that he will continue his career till he has it, expected for next year.

http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20131123/sum13112302000000-n1.html

Edited November 22, 2013 by Akinomaki

[p2501 15]

Does anyone know how many have applied so far?

[Akinomaki 40,053]

Kotooshu later on wants to become oyakata of course. Todays articles remind that former Ozeki can stay as oyakata for 3 years after intai without an oyakata kabu (which only Japanese can obtain so far - with the NSK corporate status change so far no hint of a change of that has been made).

Seems like foreigners are also eligible for that 3/5 (Y) years. I thought not, the Jiji article also hints at rather not (or maybe they mean on the long run).

Sadogatake-oyakata thinks he might be able to better commit himself to sumo if he has the Japanese nationality.

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2013/11/23/kiji/K20131123007067560.html

http://www.nikkansports.com/sports/sumo/news/p-sp-tp3-20131123-1222029.html

http://www.jiji.com/jc/c?g=spo_30&k=2013112300125

[bettega 431]

Which heya Kotooshu will get?

[Kuroyama 715]

Which heya Kotooshu will get?

He probably won't get one, at least at first. A name license is one thing, heya ownership is another. He'll probably remain affiliated with Sadogatake.

Edited November 24, 2013 by Kuroyama

[Mark.Buckton 68]

Kotooshu is applying for Japanese citizenship, he would be the first European rikishi to get it. He is married to a Japanese since May 2009 and is expected to take on her maiden name Ando. All for the acquisition is arranged, all papers ready, he has prepared it for about a year. It is expected that he will continue his career till he has it, expected for next year.

http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20131123/sum13112302000000-n1.html

he would be the second European. ;)

[Akinomaki 40,053]

Kotooshu already till last year passed the written examination and interview for becoming Japanese citizen, had lived for 10 years in Japan, is married to a Japanese – he is only waiting all the year for the certificate of secession of the Bulgarian citizenship, no response so far.
http://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/sports/sumou/213879/
“Sumo to the world”

[Akinomaki 40,053]

40 years of Bulgaria yoghurt – with Kotooshu

[Mukonoso 273]

It's not often that I've gotten to hear Kotooshu speak. Thanks.

[Yubinhaad 11,594]

As of January 7th, Kotooshu and Tokitenku have acquired Japanese citizenship. It was formally announced in the Official Gazette, a public record of government business, their version of the London Gazette in the UK or the Federal Register in the US. You can find the PDF version here (it should automatically ask you to open or download the document), or I've highlighted the relevant entries in this screenshot.

[Koorifuu 923]

Sorry for the possibly ignorance-ridden question, but is it really impossible to have a dual Bulgarian-Japanese citizenship? That dual case in particular, or if being Japanese or Bulgarian means having to be exclusively THAT nationality. I find it hard to believe Kaloyan Malyanov the person would be OK with relinquishing his original citizenship without a serious reason to.

Edited January 16, 2014 by Koorifuu

[Raishu 207]

Sorry for the possibly ignorance-ridden question, but is it really impossible to have a dual Bulgarian-Japanese citizenship?

According to current Japanese law: Yes!

(Dunno about Bulgaria, but wouldn't matter here anyways).

Edited January 16, 2014 by Raishu

[salle 11]

Sorry for the possibly ignorance-ridden question, but is it really impossible to have a dual Bulgarian-Japanese citizenship?

According to current Japanese law: Yes!

(Dunno about Bulgaria, but wouldn't matter here anyways).

Bulgarian law allows double citizenship, but that indeed does not matter when the other country doesn't allow it.

Edited January 16, 2014 by salle

[Kintamayama 44,647]

Kotooushuu will be assuming his wife's maiden name (Kebab-kefte Andou), assuming this wasn't mentioned before. Tokitenkuu is searching for a miyoseki.

[Koorifuu 923]

Sorry for the possibly ignorance-ridden question, but is it really impossible to have a dual Bulgarian-Japanese citizenship?

According to current Japanese law: Yes!

(Dunno about Bulgaria, but wouldn't matter here anyways).

Bulgarian law allows double citizenship, but that indeed does not matter when the other country doesn't allow it.

Thank you for your swift replies. What I was thinking was correct then. It's a shame though, for people to rescind from their home places, even if I sort of expected it from a close-knit cultural nation such as Japan.

It does make me wonder, those ex-Mongolians that were taken away by Yaochogate. Their future probably wasn't bright at all.

[dingo 1,212]

Sorry for the possibly ignorance-ridden question, but is it really impossible to have a dual Bulgarian-Japanese citizenship?

According to current Japanese law: Yes!

(Dunno about Bulgaria, but wouldn't matter here anyways).

Bulgarian law allows double citizenship, but that indeed does not matter when the other country doesn't allow it.

Thank you for your swift replies. What I was thinking was correct then. It's a shame though, for people to rescind from their home places, even if I sort of expected it from a close-knit cultural nation such as Japan.

It does make me wonder, those ex-Mongolians that were taken away by Yaochogate. Their future probably wasn't bright at all.

Off topic, but citizenship is just a piece of paper that was only given a meaning by the emergence of the nation-state some 200 years ago. Letting go of one's citizenship doesn't make you lose your ethnicity or make you love the place you were born less.