Hakuho Utterance + Football (split from Hatsu 2015 comments)

[orandashoho 720]

Indeed, it sounds good to me. Some more dignity, humbleness, respect to the elders and referees would be great also in soccer,

haha... good luck with your campaign.

[bettega 431]

soccer

Football, please.

[Morty 1,505]

soccer

Football, please.

Yep, I agree, football is the correct terminology. And I live in Australia where we play at least three other forms of sport called football. But 90% of the population of the world refers to football as football and so us colonials with other ball games named football should call it football too and those other ones something else. And not soccer. If that makes sense ;-).

Edited January 30, 2015 by Morty

[Tsubame 368]

comparing Beethoven to Justin Bieber. One is brilliant, sophisticated and dignified. The other is crude, simple-minded and asinine.

So, you don't like classical music? :-P

[Masumasumasu 902]

comparing Beethoven to Justin Bieber. One is brilliant, sophisticated and dignified. The other is crude, simple-minded and asinine.

So, you don't like classical music? :-P

I don't like the term 'classical'. The so-called 'Classical' period refers to approximately seventy-five years of music history (from about 1750-1825). This excludes the Baroque period (1600-1750), the Romantic period (1825-1900) and the modern period of musical composition (1900-Present). It is an ignorant term, invented (probably) by some album-sorting clerk at Tower Records many, many moons ago. High-end music is closer to the truth.

[Pica-Pica 24]

...soccer professonals are not exactly known for their dignity, they aren't expected to be humble and would be called sissies if they were.

That might be true now, but it wasn't always so, which perhaps says more about football audiences and society in general than about the players and the game. Some great footballers were -- and are -- modest and dignified: Messi and Zidane come immediately to mind; Pele, Seeler, and Charlton if you want to go way back. I think today's puerile and obnoxious behaviour started in the 1970s; nobody would have tolerated it before then.

Anyway, football is a European game, and players should be allowed to show natural emotions such as joy, frustration, and despair. Sumo, on the other hand, is thoroughly Japanese, and rikishi (especially foreign ones) must abide by the culturally-dictated rules.

This little gem proves there are great yet humble footballers out there -- and they're definitely not sissies!

"When asked which he preferred, FIFA president Sepp Blatter commented that 'Lionel Messi is a good boy that every father and every mother would like to take home. He's a good man, he's very fast, and he's not exuberant, he's playing well, he's dancing. He's a kind man, a good boy. That’s what makes him so popular, and naturally he’ll always get a lot of votes because he plays well and scores goals' before saying that Ronaldo 'is something else. He is like a commander on the field of play. This is the other side of football and it's good to have commanders on the field. They don’t have the same attitude and that gives life to football. One has more expenses for the hairdresser than the other but that doesn't matter. I can't say who is the best. I like both of them, but I prefer Messi.'"

Edited January 30, 2015 by Pica-Pica

[Pica-Pica 24]

Comparing Sumo to Futbol....One is brilliant, sophisticated and dignified. The other is crude, simple-minded and asinine.

Re-posting from an older thread:

This should come as no surprise, given professional Sumo's long-standing connections to the yakuza. This is what Jigoro Kano (judo) had to say about Sumo in the early part of the 20th century:

"Sumo has been practiced in Japan since ancient times, and in one respect it is quite valuable as physical education. It is also recognised as helping to cultivate a strong and brave spirit...Sumo has also been criticised for making people coarse and unrefined...

I would like to point out that sumo developed as entertainment, not as physical or moral education, and in the past many sumo wrestlers, regarding themselves as entertainers, were unconcerned about their behaviour or health. I have heard that these days there are ozeki and yokozuna who conduct themselves with propriety and are men of quite good character, and I regard this as a promising trend, but we must make a clear distinction between sumo as entertainment and sumo as a method of physical and mental training. If sumo is promoted without reservation, those who take it up may imitate sumo wrestlers as entertainers and eat and drink to excess, and indulge in idle talk and complacency.

Professional wrestlers and boxers are generally people of low character, and no matter how superior their skills, they are mostly looked down on by society."

[yorikiried by fate 2,029]

Pele?! Modest and DIGNIFIED?!

(Laughing...)

[before knives get sharpened, I might add: My comment strictly refers to the Pele I perceive, i.e. last 25 years.]

Edited January 30, 2015 by yorikiried by fate

[Pica-Pica 24]

Pele?! Modest and DIGNIFIED?!

(Laughing...)

[before knives get sharpened, I might add: My comment strictly refers to the Pele I perceive, i.e. last 25 years.]

No knives here -- in fact, I agree with you! But he was, at one time, known as much for his humility and dignity as for his brilliant playing. As for the last 25 years, well...let's try to remember him as he was on the field, as described in this excerpt from an Irish Independent article:

"There was, however, another quality that carried him beyond all rivals and it is that attribute which nags so poignantly now...It was humility, an ability that welled out of him at the most vital of occasions and was probably captured for all time when he supplied the pass for Carlos Alberto's crowning goal in the defeat of Italy in the all-time World Cup final of 1970.

Pele was so superb that day because his creativity was so controlled, geared so absolutely to the needs of a team already bristling with exceptional ability."

Edited January 30, 2015 by Pica-Pica

[Kintamayama 45,503]

Taihou's widow has now joined the discussion. "It's not about him, it's not about winning-as a Yokozuna I would like him to concentrate on that while keeping in mind the Sumo world, " she said. "This is something he should not have said, but it must have been weighing on his mind so it probably just slipped out," she added. She also added that when Taihou was active, she never heard him question a decision. "I wasn't good enough-I've got to gambarize!!" is apparently what he used to say.

This, about a rikishi who was robbed of a win that stopped his consecutive win record at 45, directly bringing about the video replays that are being discussed at present..

Edited January 31, 2015 by Kintamayama

[kuroimori 1,634]

Soccer is a team sport, the culture and the big money surrounding it doesn't compare to sumo, soccer professonals are not exactly known for their dignity, they aren't expected to be humble and would be called sissies if they were.

Ah, that's why they have to behave like sociopathic jerks!

But do they really have to..?

[orandashoho 720]

Please go back on topic. I said all I wanted to say about soccer/football which doesn't interest me at all.

[Kintamayama 45,503]

Kisenosato was at ex-Wakakouyuu's danpatsushiki today, and had this to say about Hakuhou's remarks : "I thought I was pretty lucky to get a torinaoshi. In the end I lost but I went all out.Al I can do is I give it my best on the dohyo, as I always have. I don't remember ever disputing a decision.."

[kuroimori 1,634]

Please go back on topic. I said all I wanted to say about soccer/football which doesn't interest me at all.

So did I. Now back to Ozumo.

[Kintamayama 45,503]

Hakuhou was on a TV show tonight. "I will use this opportunity to again say that my 33rd yusho, rewriting this record has been overwhelming and I am very happy. Regarding my remarks after the basho- I have caused many people to become annoyed and worried and for that I wish to apologize. Additionally, I hope to gambarize from now on, for the development of sumo!!" he said.

[Masumasumasu 902]

Hakuhou was on a TV show tonight. "I will use this opportunity to again say that my 33rd yusho, rewriting this record has been overwhelming and I am very happy. Regarding my remarks after the basho- I have caused many people to become annoyed and worried and for that I wish to apologize. Additionally, I hope to gambarize from now on, for the development of sumo!!" he said.

http://youtu.be/EtHkzx2RlAw

[Kotogouryuu 131]

Hakuhou was on a TV show tonight. "I will use this opportunity to again say that my 33rd yusho, rewriting this record has been overwhelming and I am very happy. Regarding my remarks after the basho- I have caused many people to become annoyed and worried and for that I wish to apologize. Additionally, I hope to gambarize from now on, for the development of sumo!!" he said.

How direct translation is this? I mean, is he sorry that people have become upset or sorry that he made the comments?

[Kintamayama 45,503]

Hakuhou was on a TV show tonight. "I will use this opportunity to again say that my 33rd yusho, rewriting this record has been overwhelming and I am very happy. Regarding my remarks after the basho- I have caused many people to become annoyed and worried and for that I wish to apologize. Additionally, I hope to gambarize from now on, for the development of sumo!!" he said.

How direct translation is this? I mean, is he sorry that people have become upset or sorry that he made the comments?

Both. The "I'm sorry I caused any bother to the fans" is a standard suffix for any apology in the sumo world.

[Kintamayama 45,503]

Hakuhou's fellow rikishi remark on the remarks (English)

[Kintamayama 45,503]

And now, it's ex- Asashouryuu's turn to remark on Hakuhou's remarks on his Tweeter account: "The judging department makes mistakes!! Happened a lot of times when I was active!! I'd like Hakuhou to come back already! Unprecedented! If he gets bullied for this boring incident! The world is vast!! Don't be mean to Hakuhou!! Media people!! He is a nice guy!!" (All exclamation marks in the original)

Edited February 3, 2015 by Kintamayama

[Jakusotsu 6,047]

Mods- maybe we should move the whole Hakuhou remarks posts to anew location (maybe unite it with a similar thread I just found..) for future references' sake..

Moderator Notice

Done.

Edited February 3, 2015 by Jakusotsu

[Mongolith 51]

This event will hopefully die soon. Hak made the comment hungover after the celebration, he has apologized, and we have even gotten the usual Hak was misquoted/misunderstood/Japanese is difficult comment from Tenho. It was not the most dignified comment but this is way overblown. Breaking the record may have gotten a bit to his head but he has been mostly well behaved and has known when to "step aside" when promotions such as for the mighty Goeido are needed.

[Masumasumasu 902]

Konishiki gives his two cents regarding the Hakuho 'utterance'. (He's on Hakuho's side.)

[Kintamayama 45,503]

Hakuhou is still angry with the world at large and is not speaking to the press. At today's one day tournament, he sat in the shitakubeya with his back to the media, surrounded by a shield of tsukebitos. The media is very critical of him- Sanspo even went as far as to say that Sumitomo Forestry , a company that made a commercial with Hakuhou, had its stocks go down from 1180 yen to 1060 yen, saying the direct cause for the decline was Hakuhou's behavior. "We don't think it had anything to do with that.." said a somewhat bewildered executive from the company. The reporter adamantly disagrees, saying it definitely is connected.

Back to the futon:

Edited February 8, 2015 by Kintamayama

[kuroimori 1,634]

So it's Hakuho's fault that some stocks go down?

Gimme a break!

If this so called journalist from Sanspo keeps researching, he will probably find hard evidence that all foreign Yokozuna starting with Akebono are the reason for the two lost decades and the bad economy in Japan. *shaking head in disbelief*