UDH Haru Basho 2015

[Tamanaogijima 756]

And whether his Kakuryu pick was actually made within the deadline, as Tamanaogijima alluded to above. Yubinhaad's post about the Kakuryu withdrawal here on the forum wasn't.

Funnily enough Kaiomitsuki's pick was (11:49 JST). But Gonzaburow's late entry was set back to the one before deadline, so it's one Kakuryu.

The strict deadline also caused three players to take a pause this time as they have been after 12:00. The the number of participants is reduced to 69.

The situation seems indeed like advantage for some and bad luck for others but we're talking about a very narrow window of two, three hours here. Back in time I once tried to figure out how probably an injury on any given day was (trying to eliminate the alternates as well). The warmup on the first basho day was among the least probable: high intensity, yes, but very low fierceness. (Get the guy warmed up but not into hospital.) So that advantage might come up every 15 or 20 years. That's an acceptable value, methinks.

[Achiyama 1,245]

Selection Stats (revised)

Day 1 Standings (revised)

Day 2 Standings (revised)

Day 3 Standings

Day 4 Standings

I can't open Day 3 and Day4, even with F5.

[Kotononami 86]

It will be interesting to see who wins the UDH yusho anyway! ;)

Hi Pandaazuma ;-)

Okinoumi is out of the Basho.... with 0 win

5 players choose this Rikishi with the 6 pts slot.... 36 with the 5 pts slot...

Okinoumi is on the 3 pts slot in my picks

So It's seems that I will not really take advantage of my Kakuryu' pick ;-)

You have Kakuryu AND Okinoumi.

9 free points every day.

But that's the game... ;-)

[Andonishiki 170]

I just checked results for day 3 and 4 and I couldnt find my name....
I had checked earlier and for day 2 and day 1 my name was there, however now it has disappeared.

now reading through the forum I find this:

<<The strict deadline also caused three players to take a pause this time as they have been after 12:00. The the number of participants is reduced to 69.
The situation seems indeed like advantage for some and bad luck for others but we're talking about a very narrow window of two, three hours here>>


Could you please name these three players - I guess I am one of them.

I understand deadlines. I dont remember exactly when I made my entry, but it might be between 12 and 2pm on Shonichi....
but I also understand that my name was in the ranking on day 1 and 2.

I think this is VERY unfair to rank a player first and then take him out, after some other players complain about someone taking Kakuryu.

I did not take Kakuryu. - even though I knew he was out....
I would not take advantage of someone who is kyujo in UDH.

and you have to keep in mind that the rikishi might come back from injury on day 3 or so and still go 10-2-3 for example.

Please clarify the rules.
Please allow me back in the ranking for this basho.
thank you

Edited March 12, 2015 by Andonishiki

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

Can I also ask the gamesmaster to extend the deadline a bit? It's a Makuuchi game and a lot of people make their picks on shonichi. Surely 3:00 or even 4:00 is OK? It seems especially silly to exclude Andonishiki even though he was on the standings for days 1 and 2. Yeah, I know rules are rules, but we're here to have fun, aren't we?? There's no money involved! And a slightly missed deadline won't hurt anyone...I also support Gonzaburow (??) being kept in with his Kakuryu 4-slot pick!

[Andonishiki 170]

actually, I found the mail - forget what I wrote above
the mail confirmation shows that my picks were sent 11:49 Japan time - BEFORE the deadline.
so please re-check your corrections and put me back in.
thanks a lot for running this game

---- Begin Forwarded Message ----

From: gyoji@seisa.de<'gyoji@seisa.de'>
Date: 8 Mar 2015 11:49:07
To: <'andonishiki@yahoo.com'>
Subject: UDH Haru Basho 2015: andonishiki
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Upside Down Hoshitori -- Haru Basho 2015
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Entry Confirmation for andonishiki

6 pts: Sadanoumi M2e (9-6 M8w)
5 pts: Tamawashi K1e (10-5 M9e)
5 pts: Okinoumi S1w (9-6 M6e)
4 pts: Homarefuji M7e (8-7 M10w)
4 pts: Myogiryu K1w (9-6 M8e)
3 pts: Kyokushuho M10e (8-7 M12e)
3 pts: Sokokurai M13w (6-9 M10e)
2 pts: Takarafuji M2w (7-8 M1e)
2 pts: Takekaze M4e (9-6 M9w)
2 pts: Tokitenku M8w (9-6 M13w)
1 pt: Tokushoryu M7w (11-4 M16e)
1 pt: Kotoshogiku O1w (9-6 O1w)
1 pt: Kotoyuki M12w (8-7 M14e)
Alt #1: Arawashi M14w (7-8 M12w)
Alt #2: Toyonoshima M5e (7-8 M4e)

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Date: 08.03.2015
Time: 04:49
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[Asashosakari 19,358]

Date: 08.03.2015

Time: 04:49

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I believe that timestamp equates to 12:49 JST.

[Flohru 176]

Not sure why there should be any need to extend the deadline? After all it is a pre-basho game, which means people have two weeks (or at least two full days if they want to see the injured list first) to make their picks. On the contrary, I think the Kakuryu episode this basho - even if something like that only happens once a decade or so - calls for an earlier deadline (three hours would do the trick).

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

Not sure why there should be any need to extend the deadline? After all it is a pre-basho game, which means people have two weeks (or at least two full days if they want to see the injured list first) to make their picks. On the contrary, I think the Kakuryu episode this basho - even if something like that only happens once a decade or so - calls for an earlier deadline (three hours would do the trick).

I know what you're saying, and it's definitely true for the serious gamers, but there are plenty of casual players out there who just try to get their picks in at the last minute. So surely every chance should be given to everyone to get into the game on time. I wonder how many people miss the deadline every basho! Even I, a keen gamer, did not know the deadline was 12:00...same for Hoshitori!

[Doitsuyama 1,185]

Not sure why there should be any need to extend the deadline? After all it is a pre-basho game, which means people have two weeks (or at least two full days if they want to see the injured list first) to make their picks. On the contrary, I think the Kakuryu episode this basho - even if something like that only happens once a decade or so - calls for an earlier deadline (three hours would do the trick).

I know what you're saying, and it's definitely true for the serious gamers, but there are plenty of casual players out there who just try to get their picks in at the last minute. So surely every chance should be given to everyone to get into the game on time. I wonder how many people miss the deadline every basho! Even I, a keen gamer, did not know the deadline was 12:00...same for Hoshitori!

Well, for Hoshitori at least you'd learn it the hard way as entries automagically aren't possible after the deadline...

[Flohru 176]

Not sure why there should be any need to extend the deadline? After all it is a pre-basho game, which means people have two weeks (or at least two full days if they want to see the injured list first) to make their picks. On the contrary, I think the Kakuryu episode this basho - even if something like that only happens once a decade or so - calls for an earlier deadline (three hours would do the trick).

I know what you're saying, and it's definitely true for the serious gamers, but there are plenty of casual players out there who just try to get their picks in at the last minute. So surely every chance should be given to everyone to get into the game on time. I wonder how many people miss the deadline every basho! Even I, a keen gamer, did not know the deadline was 12:00...same for Hoshitori!

I see your point in general and I am all for allowing as many players as possible into the games (we really need them after all). What I don't see is all those casual players getting their entries in on the brink of the deadline. Taking the time zones into consideration Sunday in the deep of the night (Europe) or Monday at noontime (Japan) don't seem to be likely options for casual players to enter their picks; so we are in fact only talking about American casual players (how many are there?) and they have a whole weekend before the basho starts, too.

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

When I made that point, I was specifically thinking of the Paper Oyakata entry list - you can see that almost 40 players entered the game after 12:00 on Shonichi - and a hell of a lot more in the morning. So I just think there are probably always quite a few who miss the deadline - especially, as I said, the casual ones who don't care about the Superbanzuke. I expect the top gamers will all have their picks in well in advance, of course.

List here for reference:

http://pog.sumogames.jp/entry/simei.php?lang=en

[Kintamayama 45,145]

All this notwithstanding (love to use this word when I can),

Other circumstances notwithstanding! ;)

I had that phase back then, way before the great immigration from "there." I used to start every post with that excellent word.

[Kintamayama 45,145]

As a game-runner myself I am probably and surely biased but I don't think that the deadline should be changed, many last moment players notwithstanding. Bench has a Friday deadline, forget shonichi. There used to be a lot of complaining at the time as people did tend to forget, but now everybody knows and no one complains anymore. GTB also has the occasional forgetful players, but our form implodes after the deadline so there are no real grounds for any arguments, although there always are..We have a "games deadline" page on the forum- use it for Pete's sake and let us all get on with it.

Notwithstanding.

Edited March 12, 2015 by Kintamayama

[Doitsuyama 1,185]

I see your point in general and I am all for allowing as many players as possible into the games (we really need them after all). What I don't see is all those casual players getting their entries in on the brink of the deadline. Taking the time zones into consideration Sunday in the deep of the night (Europe) or Monday at noontime (Japan) don't seem to be likely options for casual players to enter their picks; so we are in fact only talking about American casual players (how many are there?) and they have a whole weekend before the basho starts, too.

Look, the basho is starting on a Sunday in Japan. I understand timzones can be confusing (at least for me), but really, Japanese players have to enter on Sunday at the latest for pre-basho games, no? Like pandaazuma stated with Paper Oyakata (a game with many Japanese players), Sunday morning is an excellent time for japanese people to think about sumo games and is indeed a very likely option.

[Andonishiki 170]

Asashosakari wrote:

Andonishiki, on 12 Mar 2015 - 17:57, said:

Date: 08.03.2015

Time: 04:49

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I believe that timestamp equates to 12:49 JST.

Dear Asashosakari,

how do you get to this believe ?

I live in Singapore, which is one hour behind JST and the entry was made on a local mobile phone.

I dont know how the system gets the time: 04:49,

but it's not because I live in CET time (8h behind JST).

Pls clarify.

thanks

[Doitsuyama 1,185]

Asashosakari wrote:

Andonishiki, on 12 Mar 2015 - 17:57, said:

Date: 08.03.2015

Time: 04:49

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I believe that timestamp equates to 12:49 JST.

Dear Asashosakari,

how do you get to this believe ?

I live in Singapore, which is one hour behind JST and the entry was made on a local mobile phone.

I dont know how the system gets the time: 04:49,

but it's not because I live in CET time (8h behind JST).

Pls clarify.

thanks

The game is run from a German server. The "Time: " field apparently is the server time. Since Germany right now is 8 hours behind JST this means 12:49 JST. The *other* time field is 11:49 which may have several reasons, but I don't see that many reasons the 4:49 isn't good ole CET.

[Flohru 176]

I see your point in general and I am all for allowing as many players as possible into the games (we really need them after all). What I don't see is all those casual players getting their entries in on the brink of the deadline. Taking the time zones into consideration Sunday in the deep of the night (Europe) or Monday at noontime (Japan) don't seem to be likely options for casual players to enter their picks; so we are in fact only talking about American casual players (how many are there?) and they have a whole weekend before the basho starts, too.

Look, the basho is starting on a Sunday in Japan. I understand timzones can be confusing (at least for me), but really, Japanese players have to enter on Sunday at the latest for pre-basho games, no? Like pandaazuma stated with Paper Oyakata (a game with many Japanese players), Sunday morning is an excellent time for japanese people to think about sumo games and is indeed a very likely option.

Confusing indeed, thanks for pointing that out. Then again, looking at the mentioned huge number of Japanese/East Asia players entering late in POG I still don't buy the argument that they could be encouraged to play UDH (or other non-Japanese pre-basho games) if the deadline is extended. Anyways, as always I vote for: Let the game master decide and don't complain about it!

[Gurowake 4,062]

I don't understand why the deadline for pre-basho games involving only sekitori isn't right before the first Juryo match is scheduled, and similar for games only involving Makuuchi. What's the point of having the deadline hours earlier? I can understand GTB since it involves information that actually exists from well before the deadline, but I don't for the rest.

Also, Hoshitori seems to say that you cannot change your entry once you make one; at least, that's what I had interpreted "one entry per person" to mean. And yet Pandaazuma indicated that he did, so apparently it just means that you can't have multiple active guesses. I just have never wanted to disqualify myself by sending a second entry.

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

Gurowake: I meant that I amended my own entry. I of course do not play under any other name! In Hoshitori you can amend your own entry as many times as you like. The rule simply means only one shikona per player.

Back in the day...before I even knew about the SB, I played Sumo Game under two shikona (unaware of the rule) in order to better improve my picking system, but terminated it. Notwithstanding, the belief that I am Chocshoporyu persists in some fetid climes! ;)

Edited March 13, 2015 by Pandaazuma

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

Also Moti's comments on the deadlines page notwithstanding, insofar as it goes that is a cogent argument, but he forgets that casual players are perforce in need of knowledge of the existence of said page...

But they ain't!

Edited March 13, 2015 by Pandaazuma

[Asashosakari 19,358]

how do you get to this believe ?

I live in Singapore, which is one hour behind JST and the entry was made on a local mobile phone.

Which presumably explains why your email shows a time stamp of 11:49.

Anyway, from looking at my various UDH entry mails, the UDH server is indeed set to CET (JST -8) in Kyushu, Hatsu and Haru basho, and to CEST (JST -7) in Natsu, Nagoya and Aki.

Edited March 13, 2015 by Asashosakari

[Tamanaogijima 756]

Yep, server time is my local time (CET/CEST). The time in the mail header is your local time.

I guess I have to finally sit down and program a hard close of the entry form, too.

As for the deadline -- surely it makes lucky punches possible but UDH has ever been a game where the lucky punching rate is quite high... I have been seeing it as one of the games where you can get early success and are encouraged to stay with the other ones, too.

Btw, the day 5 results have been uppoaded yesterday already but I'm on a mobile only and the "copy and paste" works only as "copy" right now, so I can post a proper link...

[Randomitsuki 2,826]

That can be helped :-)

Day 5 Standings

[Tamanaogijima 756]

Day 6 Standings

Day 7 Standings

Day 8 Standings

And thank you very much for providing the link. I really tried, but gave up. (I can't understand how people can post more than one sentence from their mobiles without getting mad :-))