Gurowake 4,085 Posted December 13, 2024 1 hour ago, Asashosakari said: A random nonsense idea: Heya representation in the bottom 100 of each banzuke, all six tournaments of 2024 combined. I know this would be harder to compile, but it might be slightly more meaningful to exclude people who haven't completed 2 tournaments on the banzuke, to not have heya with more recent recruits (who need generally 2 tournaments to get out of this range) show up with more rikishi here than they would long-term. The Hatsu-dohyo column from the database would likely be helpful in determining this. It would make it slightly more interesting, but probably not enough for me to be interested in doing myself. (I would be interested in the average percentile banzuke rank for each heya though, so maybe I could figure out how to do that easily.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,394 Posted January 11 Randomly spotted: Asonoyama appears to have a real knack for winning on the middle Sunday. Whenever he's had a Day 8 match in the last three and a half years, he won it. 16 straight and counting. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,394 Posted January 12 Another completely random find: These two lower-division rikishi managed to get matched up in 8 straight honbasho after they somehow posted the same tournament records seven times in a row. Basho Day Rikishi 1 Kimarite Rikishi 2 Rank Shikona Result Rank Shikona Result 2023.01 1 Jd16w Genbumaru 1-0 (3-4) hatakikomi Jd17e Koshinoryu 0-1 (3-4) 2023.03 2 Jd38w Genbumaru 1-0 (4-3) hatakikomi Jd39e Koshinoryu 0-1 (4-3) 2023.05 3 Jd16w Genbumaru 1-1 (4-3) oshidashi Jd17w Koshinoryu 2-0 (4-3) 2023.07 9 Sd86w Genbumaru 1-4 (2-5) yorikiri Sd87w Koshinoryu 2-3 (2-5) 2023.09 2 Jd29e Genbumaru 1-0 (3-4) okuridashi Jd29w Koshinoryu 0-1 (3-4) 2023.11 2 Jd52w Genbumaru 0-1 (5-2) tsukiotoshi Jd53e Koshinoryu 1-0 (5-2) 2024.01 1 Jd13w Genbumaru 0-1 (3-4) hikiotoshi Jd14e Koshinoryu 1-0 (3-4) 2024.03 2 Jd29w Genbumaru 0-1 (2-5) yorikiri Jd30e Koshinoryu 1-0 (4-3) 8 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,394 Posted January 16 (edited) Most juryo basho before first promotion to makuuchi, 15-day era since 1949: 30 Kyokunankai 27 Mitoryu 26 Miyabashira 24 Hachiya 23 Otayama, Churanoumi 22 Akiseyama, Tsurugisho 21 Chiyozakura, Hoshiiwato, Chiyoo 20 Kitaharima 19 Maegashio, Hanahikari, Daimonji, Harunoyama, Mokonami, Oiwato 18 Asanoumi, Shiratayama 17 Hirakagawa, Aobajo, Otsukasa, Kyokutaisei, Tohakuryu 16 Kitanohana, Katsunishiki, Masatsukasa 15 Saisu, Chikubayama, Kotoinazuma, Onohana, Kiraiho, Tobizaru Compiled just in case Hakuyozan (currently 30 J basho) does the unthinkable this year. Edited January 16 by Asashosakari 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faustonowaka 130 Posted January 16 Unless Hoshoryu gets the Yusho and a promotion, the next banzuke will be the first since Hatsu 1993 without a Yokozuna on it 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oskanohana 261 Posted January 18 (edited) I was surprised by the torikumi makers pairing 6-0 Chiyoshoma and 0-6 Roga, but it has happened before among maegashiras. With yokozunas and ozekis is much more usual as their opponents are more or less pre-programmed on the first week. I know that this also holds somewhat true for the rest of the torikumi, but come on, guys, it's day 7, you can tweak it a little bit. 6-0 vs 0-6 maegashira only Basho Day Rikishi 1 Kimarite Rikishi 2 Rank Shikona Result Rank Shikona Result 2006.11 7 M9w Asasekiryu 6-1 (10-5) oshidashi M7e Tamanoshima 1-6 (2-9-4) 2015.03 7 M6e Aminishiki 7-0 (8-3-4) hikkake M8e Shohozan 0-7 (1-14) 2025.01 7 M5w Chiyoshoma 6-0 M8e Roga 0-2-4 I wouldn't put past Chiyoshoma losing tomorrow against an injured Roga. Still, Asa's secretary did it first. For completionists, same query adding lower sanyaku and juryo. 6-0 vs 0-6 (S,K,M,J) Basho Day Rikishi 1 Kimarite Rikishi 2 Rank Shikona Result Rank Shikona Result 1981.03 7 S1e Takanosato 7-0 (10-5) kotenage K1w Fujizakura 0-7 (3-12) 1982.09 7 S1e Wakashimazu 7-0 (12-3) yorikiri K1e Takamiyama 0-7 (5-10) 2006.03 7 J11e Baruto 7-0 (15-0) yoritaoshi J7e Daishodai 0-7 (3-12) 2006.03 7 J6w Kyokunankai 7-0 (10-5) yorikiri J10e Toki 0-7 (2-13) 2006.11 7 M9w Asasekiryu 6-1 (10-5) oshidashi M7e Tamanoshima 1-6 (2-9-4) 2006.11 7 S1w Kotomitsuki 7-0 (9-6) uwatenage M1w Iwakiyama 0-7 (2-13) 2011.11 7 J11w Tokushoryu 7-0 (10-5) yorikiri J12e Tamanoshima 0-7 (0-9) 2015.03 7 M6e Aminishiki 7-0 (8-3-4) hikkake M8e Shohozan 0-7 (1-14) 2016.05 7 J13e Sato 7-0 (11-4) hatakikomi J5w Akiseyama 0-7 (1-14) 2025.01 7 M5w Chiyoshoma 6-0 M8e Roga 0-2-4 Asa's secretary's achievement is more impressive this way. That Sato on the second-to-last line is Takakeisho, by the way. (I refuse to use Chrome, sue me) Edited January 18 by Oskanohana 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,981 Posted January 18 4 hours ago, Oskanohana said: I was surprised by the torikumi makers pairing 6-0 Chiyoshoma and 0-6 Roga, but it has happened before among maegashiras. The whole analysis is moot because the first 8 days' schedule is done strictly by rank. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 2,028 Posted January 18 With the latest news, Terunofuji will be the first modern days Yokozuna who never participated in a Yokozuna-Yokozuna-bout. Also, he was completely absent from 7 of his 21 Yokozuna basho (33.3%), which sees him tied for first place with the world's favourite Lifetime-Achievement-Yokozuna, who finished his exceptional stint at the rank at 4 absences out of 12 basho. At least Terunofuji could keep a winning score overall for the rank... 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 2,028 Posted January 18 Oh, and he's the third guy after Sadanoyama and Takanohana (II) to have yushoed from four different ranks, like the former missing out only on Komusubi (Takanohana didn't yusho from Sekiwake, instead). 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsubame 361 Posted January 18 (edited) With Terunofuji's intai I was curious about the last fights of yokozuna. It seems that there were 9 out of 73 yokozuna (12,3%) who could win their last appearance on the dohyo: 69th Hakuho Sho 64th Akebono Taro 42nd Kagamisato Kiyoji 35th Futabayama Sadaji 33rd Musashiyama Takeshi 29th Miyagiyama Fukumatsu 27th Tochigiyama Moriya 25th Nishinoumi Kajiro 20th Umegetani Torato So, only two yokozuna in the "modern era" achieved that feat. Edited January 19 by Tsubame 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,394 Posted January 19 As far as the DB knows it, Fubu (in his first ranked basho as Nakayama) holds the record with four matches decided by non-techniques in the same tournament: Nagoya 2014, two wins both by isamiashi and two losses by isamishi and fumidashi. There are only two further cases with 3 such results: Chiyotenfu (as Kadokura) in Aki 2015, two wins (isamiashi/tsukihiza) and one loss (koshikudake), and ditto Kaiketsu (yes, that Kaiketsu) up in juryo in Kyushu 1970. As implied by those numbers, no rikishi has won three times or lost three times by non-technique so far. The list of those who did one thing or the other twice is rather long, though, too long to reproduce here. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oskanohana 261 Posted January 27 I don't know if this has been acknowledge in amongst the hundred posts talking about Hoshoryu's promotion, but he's the first in the 6-basho era to leapfrog over a fellow ozeki to get the rope. Both previous O1w -> Y promotions were promoted alongside their own O1e's and had the decency of losing their kettei-sen to their superiors. Now, some would say this is a Kotonowakazakura factoid maybe, as he's the first to get leapfrogged over and left in the dust and what a remarkable job he did of it. Query 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 2,028 Posted January 27 @Oskanohana Quote Asa's secretary's achievement +1 for reviving the nick! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,594 Posted January 27 (edited) I hadn't thought of that so far till I saw it mentioned in the news, but had Oho won the yusho, it would have been the first 3 generation yusho (Taiho-Takatoriki-), something to look forward to from now on Edited January 27 by Akinomaki 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atenzan 1,081 Posted January 28 Houshouryuu is about to be the first yokozuna since Tochinoumi (49th) to gain promotion never having earned a shukun-sho, and thus will be the only living yokozuna to have done so. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,469 Posted January 29 4 hours ago, Atenzan said: Houshouryuu is about to be the first yokozuna since Tochinoumi (49th) to gain promotion never having earned a shukun-sho, and thus will be the only living yokozuna to have done so. It's somewhat unusual for someone ranked below Ozeki to win a yusho and not get a shukun-sho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,394 Posted January 31 Basho with all S/K from the same ichimon, since official recognition of ichimon in 1947: Aki 1976 - Nishonoseki 8-7 S Kirinji Nishonoseki S Wakamisugi Futagoyama 11-4 G 3-12 ↓ Wakajishi Futagoyama K Tamanofuji Kataonami 5-10 ↓ Nagoya 1991 - Nishonoseki 4-11 ↓ Kotonishiki Sadogatake S Takatoriki Fujishima 9-6 K 8-7 Akinoshima Fujishima K Takahanada Fujishima 11-4 GS ↑ Hatsu 2003 - Nishonoseki 9-6 Takanowaka Naruto S Kotomitsuki Sadogatake 9-6 7-8 ↓ Takanonami Futagoyama K Wakanosato Naruto 11-4 JK ↑ Aki 2012 - Dewanoumi 10-5 G Myogiryu Sakaigawa S Goeido Sakaigawa 8-7 4-11 ↓ Aoiyama Kasugano K Tochinoshin Kasugano 6-9 ↓ Kyushu 2024 - Tokitsukaze 6-9 ↓ Kirishima Otowayama S Daieisho Oitekaze 8-7 10-5 ↑ Wakamotoharu Arashio K Shodai Tokitsukaze 4-11 ↓ Other cases with 4 or more S/K from one ichimon: Nagoya 1972 - 5 Nishonoseki (of 7; Dewanoumi, Takasago) Haru 2023 - 5 Tokitsukaze (of 7; Dewanoumi, Nishonoseki) Natsu 2023 - 5 Tokitsukaze (of 7; Dewanoumi, Nishonoseki) Aki 1957 - 4 Tatsunami-Isegahama (of 5; Nishonoseki) Kyushu 1957 - 4 Tatsunami-Isegahama (of 6; 2 Nishonoseki) Kyushu 1961 - 4 Dewanoumi (of 8; 2 Takasago, 2 Tatsunami-Isegahama) Natsu 1972 - 4 Nishonoseki (of 7; 2 Dewanoumi, Takasago) Kyushu 1974 - 4 Nishonoseki (of 6; 2 Tatsunami-Isegahama) Hatsu 1975 - 4 Nishonoseki (of 6; 2 Tatsunami-Isegahama) Aki 1991 - 4 Nishonoseki (of 5; Takasago) Kyushu 1991 - 4 Nishonoseki (of 5; Dewanoumi) Nagoya 1992 - 4 Nishonoseki (of 6; Dewanoumi, Takasago) Kyushu 1992 - 4 Nishonoseki (of 7; Dewanoumi, Takasago, Tatsunami-Isegahama) Haru 1993 - 4 Nishonoseki (of 6; Dewanoumi, Tokitsukaze) Nagoya 1993 - 4 Nishonoseki (of 5; Dewanoumi) Aki 1993 - 4 Nishonoseki (of 5; Dewanoumi) Kyushu 1993 - 4 Nishonoseki (of 5; Dewanoumi) Natsu 2017 - 4 Nishonoseki (of 5; Dewanoumi) Kyushu 2022 - 4 Tokitsukaze (of 7; 2 Dewanoumi, Nishonoseki) Hatsu 2023 - 4 Tokitsukaze (of 8; 2 Dewanoumi, 2 Nishonoseki) Aki 2023 - 4 Tokitsukaze (of 5; Nishonoseki) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,394 Posted February 5 (edited) Basho with 4+ makuuchi-experienced rikishi dropping from juryo to makushita (15-bout era since 1949, though it almost certainly never happened earlier). Retirements before/at the next tournament or without competing again noted: 6 1967.03 (special case - divisional realignment with 16 sekitori spots being eliminated) J7w Kiyonomori (M9) - 0-0-7 intai J8e Oginohana (S) - 0-0-7 intai J13w Amatsukaze (M3) - 1-3-3 intai J14w Wakasugiyama (M1) - 1-6 intai J15e Maedagawa (S) - 2-5 intai J16w Udagawa (M3) - 0-0-7, 0-0-7 intai 5 2016.05 J5w Akiseyama (M16) J11w Jokoryu (K) J12w Kagamio (M9) J14e Tenkaiho (M8) J14w Tamaasuka (M9) 4 1959.03 J15e Hirakagawa (M13) J16w Hiranoto (M17) - 0-0-8 intai J17w Maegashio (M18) J19w Azumaumi (M14) - 0-0-8 intai 4 1962.03 J13w Osegawa (M6) - 0-0-7 intai J16w Yasome (M16)- 0-0-7 intai J17e Fukunoumi (M10) J18w Oikawa (M10) - 0-2-5 intai 4 1964.03 J12e Okanoyama (M5) J15w Kurojishi (M12) J16e Fukudayama (M4) J17w Miyanohana (M12) 4 2005.07 J6e Hayateumi (S) J6w Wakanoyama (K) - 0-0 intai J10w Kinkaiyama (M6) J13e Chiyotenzan (K) 4 2010.11 J8e Tosanoumi (S) - 0-0 intai J10w Tamaasuka (M9) J14e Jumonji (M6) J14w Ryuho (M16) 4 2014.05 J11w Wakakoyu (K) J13w Yoshiazuma (M12) J14e Daikiho (M16) J14w Takanoyama (M12) - 0-2-4 intai 4 2018.01 J8w Osunaarashi (M1) - 0-0 intai J9w Toyohibiki (M2) J11e Ura (M4) J12e Yamaguchi (M16) 4 2025.01 J7w Bushozan (M12) J10e Shimazuumi (M12) J11e Daiamami (M11) J14w Daishoho (M9) Daikiho/Yamaguchi and Tamaasuka both managed to be involved twice. (And if anyone is wondering, yes, 2005.07 is the sole record holder with three sanyaku-experienced rikishi getting demoted.) Edited February 5 by Asashosakari 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sahaven111 176 Posted February 7 Unless i'm mistaken, Hoshoryu is the first Yokozuna since Maedayama to be promoted from lower than O1e, without any Ozeki above him being promoted as well. Although, the Banzuke weren't made back then with the strict rule of the Ozeki being sorted in order of their record the previous basho. Maedayama still had the best performance in both of his promotion tournaments. The most recent yokozuna before Hoshoryu to be promoted without having the best score out of all Ozeki in both tournaments leading up to their promotion (again, discounting double-promotions) was Nishinoumi III, promoted over a century ago in 1923. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mugatake 44 Posted February 7 36 minutes ago, sahaven111 said: Unless i'm mistaken, Hoshoryu is the first Yokozuna since Maedayama to be promoted from lower than O1e, without any Ozeki above him being promoted as well. Although, the Banzuke weren't made back then with the strict rule of the Ozeki being sorted in order of their record the previous basho. Maedayama still had the best performance in both of his promotion tournaments. The most recent yokozuna before Hoshoryu to be promoted without having the best score out of all Ozeki in both tournaments leading up to their promotion (again, discounting double-promotions) was Nishinoumi III, promoted over a century ago in 1923. Would you count Azumafuji? I haven't had time to properly research this, but I think they were trying to balance the written banzuke here, as well as in the previous basho. If we rephrase your statement as "promoted from lower than the highest-ranked ozeki slot", I believe it's correct. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sahaven111 176 Posted February 8 On 07/02/2025 at 00:39, mugatake said: If we rephrase your statement as "promoted from lower than the highest-ranked ozeki slot", I believe it's correct. That's exactly what I was thinking in my head, but I couldn't figure out the right words, thank you! :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,394 Posted February 15 (edited) Last basho, Gohakuun became the eighth rikishi ever to go from 6-1 or 7-0 to 0-7 a second time in his career. He's the one with the least time between the first and second occurrence, beating out Taichiyama by one basho. At only 14 honbasho into his career he's also the second-fastest to suffer that fate after Arakawa (11). Rikishi 1 2 > Date Rank Record Date Rank Record Arakawa 1982.07 Jk6w 6-1 1982.09 Jd86w 0-7 Arakawa 1983.09 Jd118e 6-1 1983.11 Jd48w 0-7 Gohakuun 2024.05 Sd61w 6-1 2024.07 Sd7e 0-7 Gohakuun 2024.11 Sd73e 6-1 2025.01 Sd17e 0-7 Tatsuyamaguchi 1988.11 Jd143w 6-1 1989.01 Jd69w 0-7 Hanakaze 2003.09 Sd74w 6-1 2003.11 Sd18e 0-7 Nishiuchi 2003.07 Jd50w 6-1 2003.09 Sd85w 0-7 Nishiuchi 2010.11 Sd20w 6-1 2011.01 Ms42e 0-7 Masuminoru 2017.03 Sd55w 6-1 2017.05 Sd3w 0-7 Taichiyama 2017.11 Sd24w 6-1 2018.01 Ms45e 0-7 Tamakongo 2017.03 Sd35w 7-0 Y 2017.05 Ms25w 0-7 Tamakongo 2019.05 Sd13e 6-1 2019.07 Ms36e 0-7 Tamashinzan 2008.09 Jk17w 6-1 2008.11 Jd58e 0-7 Tamashinzan 2011.01 Jk11w 6-1 2011.05 Jd41w 0-7 Chibahikari 1974.01 Jd7e 7-0 D 1974.03 Sd16e 0-7 Tenma 1983.07 Sd19w 6-1 1983.09 Ms45w 0-7 Edited February 15 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,854 Posted February 15 And it's important to point out that the second basho wasn't a kyujo; it was an honest, working man's 0-7. 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faustonowaka 130 Posted February 15 Has there ever been a heya with 3 ex-Yokozuna coaching at the same time, as is currently the case at Isegahama-beya (Asahifuji, Hakuho, Terunofuji)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,097 Posted February 15 Kokonoe might have done the same immediately after Hakkaku's retirement, before his branchout (Kitanofuji, Chiyonofuji and Hokutoumi). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
