Trivia bits

[orandashoho 720]

44 minutes ago, John Gunning said:

Free 8K televisions for everyone that votes for me by the way.

In which election?

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

Regarding the current rise of Hokutofuji, I tried to query all rikishi who got their first career MK at Sanyaku in the modern era, and found these:

Yutakayama (7 KK from Ms10eOB)
Akebono (18 KK from Mz)
Tomonohana (11 KK from Ms60TD)
Tochinonada (11 KK from Ms60TD)
Kotooshu (13 KK from Mz)

Honorary mention goes to Konishiki and Kotomitsuki whose streaks were broken by absence.

[Rocks 1,809]

Ikioi is Kakuryu's tachimochi and he beat him on day 9. I wonder how often that happens? I guess it's impossible to say.

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

Indeed, quite impossible to deduct from the db alone. The only thing that's certain is that Ikioi wasn't Kakuryu's tachimochi today.

[Rocks 1,809]

1 minute ago, Jakusotsu said:

Indeed, quite impossible to deduct from the db alone. The only thing that's certain is that Ikioi wasn't Kakuryu's tachimochi today.

Oh, he wasn't? I didn't know that. Is that traditional that the Yokozuna don't use their opponent for their dohyo-iri on the day they are facing them?

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

18 minutes ago, Rocks said:

Oh, he wasn't? I didn't know that. Is that traditional that the Yokozuna don't use their opponent for their dohyo-iri on the day they are facing them?

That, and if both attendants are matched against each other there'll be a substitute as well.

[Rocks 1,809]

@Jakusotsu Thanks. Apparently I'm only allowed to give 10 Likes a day and I'm all out. But I liked that too. 

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

Just checked how strong the last ten Yokozuna before Hakuho were at his current age. It turned out that eight of them were already intai. The other two had a combined 15 basho left in their tank (three times with a 10-5, the other 12 times going kyujo).

[Asashosakari 19,648]

I may have mentioned it before, a long time ago - the staying power for star-level rikishi (yokozuna, average-and-better ozeki) appears to be roughly 10 years against joi competition for most of them, somewhat independent of their era, their ages and the timing of their major promotions. Even Chiyonofuji's very non-standard career fits - he got through 11, just starting several years later than most others.

Hakuho is in his 13th year. Even accounting for his superior talent, years ago I was pretty sure he wouldn't be making it to his 32nd birthday as an active rikishi, but he's about to get there.

On the other hand, Kotoshogiku has been a consistent joi presence since Kyushu 2006, fitting the suggested timeframe very well...

Edited January 18, 2017 by Asashosakari

[shumitto 418]

Today was the first time a rikishi defeated another one 50 times.  (Hakuho x Kotoshogiku)

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=rikishi1&group_by2=rikishi2&gsort_by=record

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi_opp.aspx?r=1123&r2=1226

 

Edited January 20, 2017 by shumitto
clicked 'publish' by accident

[ryafuji 815]

What with Kisenosato's imminent promotion, and Kakuryu and Harumafuji's struggles, I thought I'd look at how many times we've had four Yokozuna all go kachi-koshi in the same tournament. It's only happened twelve times, most recently in November 1990. The last Yokozuna quartet of Akebono, Takanohana, Wakanohana and Musashimaru never managed it. 

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=basho&having=4&form1_rank=Y&form1_wins=Kk

[Asashosakari 19,648]

4 hours ago, ryafuji said:

What with Kisenosato's imminent promotion, and Kakuryu and Harumafuji's struggles, I thought I'd look at how many times we've had four Yokozuna all go kachi-koshi in the same tournament. It's only happened twelve times, most recently in November 1990. The last Yokozuna quartet of Akebono, Takanohana, Wakanohana and Musashimaru never managed it. 

Which also means it's relatively rare that all the possible Y-Y bouts will actually materialize in a basho. Best not to get our collective hopes up that we'll actually see 6 of them in a single tournament.

[Bumpkin 438]

8 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Which also means it's relatively rare that all the possible Y-Y bouts will actually materialize in a basho. Best not to get our collective hopes up that we'll actually see 6 of them in a single tournament.

Has there ever been a basho with 6 intra-yokozuna bouts?

[Senkoho 552]

Just now, Bumpkin said:

Has there ever been a basho with 6 intra-yokozuna bouts?

Yes

Even 7 if we include play-offs

Edited January 23, 2017 by Senkoho

[Asashosakari 19,648]

Hanakaze has become the first rikishi in history to attain 600 career wins without ever being ranked as sekitori.

[ALAKTORN 346]

On 1/23/2017 at 13:25, Asashosakari said:

Hanakaze has become the first rikishi in history to attain 600 career wins without ever being ranked as sekitori.

That’s insane.

[Asashosakari 19,648]

Incidentally, if Hanakaze stays active until the May tournament, he'll be older than Ichinoya was on his retirement.

Just to add to the previous stat: Besides Hanakaze, the only other rikishi who has made it to 600 wins without reaching makuuchi was Tochitenko. One-time juryo Dewanosato got close at 594, as did Kotokanyu with 591.

Hanakaze is trailed by fellow long-timer Hokutoryu at 573, who might also make it to 600 at some point in 2018 if he stays active that long (and would probably also have to exceed Ichinoya to do it).

Edited January 26, 2017 by Asashosakari

[Akinomaki 40,765]

some data about the last 2 short 4 yokozuna periods http://www.jiji.com/jc/article?k=2017012500563&g=spo

　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　yusho　kyujo　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
１９９０.９-９１.５　Chiyonofuji　１　　３　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
（５basho）　　　 　Hokutoumi    ２　　１　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　Onokuni　    ０　　２　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　Asahifuji　    １　　０　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
１９９９.7～００.３　Akebono　　 ０　　２　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
（５basho） 　　　　Takanohana   ０　　１　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　Wakanohana  ０　　３　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　　Musashimaru ２　　１　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　

each time those with 3 kyujo within that period retired during the last basho.

The number of kinboshi handed during that time would be interesting as well

Edited January 27, 2017 by Akinomaki

[Rocks 1,809]

Yes, 4 Yokozuna seems to be a short lived phenomena. It will be interesting to see if either Kakuryu or Harumafuji doesn't show up in March. I'm thinking both would like to skip it but every kyujo now will lead to heavy speculation.

[Bumpkin 438]

Don't be shocked if Hakuho retires sooner than we think. He currently has 1019 career wins. Barring injury, he should break Kaio's record of 1047 wins soon. May at the earliest. July at the latest. After that, who knows? Especially if he doesn't yusho. I can't see Hakuho as just another Yokozuna.

[Rocks 1,809]

4 minutes ago, Bumpkin said:

Don't be shocked if Hakuho retires sooner than we think. He currently has 1019 career wins. Barring injury, he should break Kaio's record of 1047 wins soon. May at the earliest. July at the latest. After that, who knows? Especially if he doesn't yusho. I can't see Hakuho as just another Yokozuna.

I agree but I think it that will happen after Kak and Harumafuji. They can not beat Hak on a regular basis so unless Kise starts winning everything Hakuho is going to get a yusho or 2. I definitely don't see Hakuho as still on the scene at the end of 2018.

[Bumpkin 438]

Don't be shocked if Sekiwake's, Komusubi's and Maegashira's start winning Yushos. The Hakuho era is (probably) over. Anything can happen. Anything.

[Rocks 1,809]

Gagamaru may not even make it back to maegashira

[just_some_guy 284]

On 1/27/2017 at 15:51, Rocks said:

Gagamaru may not even make it back to maegashira

I think he makes it back but struggles again upon his return.

[PawnSums 59]

On ‎1‎/‎27‎/‎2017 at 15:21, Bumpkin said:

Don't be shocked if Sekiwake's, Komusubi's and Maegashira's start winning Yushos. The Hakuho era is (probably) over. Anything can happen. Anything.

kakuryu or harumafuji might even win!