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Onosato, in only his 10th makuuchi bout, will face a sanyaku opponent. Does anyone know the record for fewest makuuchi matches to reach sanyaku opposition (15-bout era)?

Incidentally, on day 10 Takerufuji can set the new most consecutive wins from juryo debut record that Ono just missed out on reaching a couple basho ago...

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  On 22/01/2024 at 10:18, Katooshu said:

Onosato, in only his 10th makuuchi bout, will face a sanyaku opponent. Does anyone know the record for fewest makuuchi matches to reach sanyaku opposition (15-bout era)?

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&year=1940-2024&day=1-10&rowcount=5&debutd1=on&rank2=k,s,o,y

What the heck happened there with Tosanoumi? Fighting an Ozeki in his very first bout as Maegashira?? (Blinking...)

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  On 22/01/2024 at 10:52, Jakusotsu said:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&year=1940-2024&day=1-10&rowcount=5&debutd1=on&rank2=k,s,o,y

What the heck happened there with Tosanoumi? Fighting an Ozeki in his very first bout as Maegashira?? (Blinking...)

Wow! He went straight in at M7 at a time when (I'm half-guessing) there were so many Fujishima-beya rikishi above him that he was effectively in the joi.

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  On 22/01/2024 at 10:52, Jakusotsu said:

What the heck happened there with Tosanoumi? Fighting an Ozeki in his very first bout as Maegashira?? (Blinking...)

And a Yokozuna in the next bout…. 

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  On 22/01/2024 at 11:00, RabidJohn said:

Wow! He went straight in at M7 at a time when (I'm half-guessing) there were so many Fujishima-beya rikishi above him that he was effectively in the joi.

On the banzuke he was #16 non-Futagoyama but it seems that the kosho of Higonoumi puts him #15 and right in the line of fire for shonichi

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Though the scheduling approach appears to be completely different altogether to how they're doing it nowadays. Akebono got started off with his lowest-ranked opponent of the entire tournament, that definitely doesn't happen for a Y1w anymore.

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  On 22/01/2024 at 11:20, Nantonoyama said:

On the banzuke he was #16 non-Futagoyama but it seems that the kosho of Higonoumi puts him #15 and right in the line of fire for shonichi

I totally forgot Fujishima had been absorbed by Futagoyama by then.

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  On 22/01/2024 at 17:29, RabidJohn said:

I totally forgot Fujishima had been absorbed by Futagoyama by then.

That was spring '93. If you like football there's an easy way to remember: that's the year of the first ever UEFA Champions League

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  On 22/01/2024 at 17:29, RabidJohn said:

I totally forgot Fujishima had been absorbed by Futagoyama by then.

Other way around, really. Futagoyama closed, Fujishima continued, but it did so by adopting the Futagoyama name.

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  On 22/01/2024 at 10:52, Jakusotsu said:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&year=1940-2024&day=1-10&rowcount=5&debutd1=on&rank2=k,s,o,y

What the heck happened there with Tosanoumi? Fighting an Ozeki in his very first bout as Maegashira?? (Blinking...)

Back when the scheduling was quite different. They started off with the top guys reaching down the banzuke and working up, so that the M1s started out on Day 1 against each other.

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  On 23/01/2024 at 13:15, Sakura said:

Back when the scheduling was quite different. They started off with the top guys reaching down the banzuke and working up, so that the M1s started out on Day 1 against each other.

They must have changed it after I stopped following in 1992, because my recollection of the late-80s is that komusubi and M1 had hard first weeks facing just about everyone above them, and sekiwake had hard 2nd weeks for the same reason. That's very similar to what we have now. Matching hiramaku with identical scores in the 2nd week regardless of their position was and is common, too.

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Considering how many Futagoyama guys were in the joi at that time, that doesn't surprise me at all. Takanohana would get to fight maegashira scrubs down to the mid-maegashira while Akebono and Musashimaru had to fight all of Taka, Waka, and Nami's stablemates on top of the Y-O rotation. Taka would only fight Akebono and Musashimaru. Hence the criticism of the day that Taka had an unfair advantage

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Onosato faced a yokozuna in his:

  • 56th bout overall,
  • 5th basho overall,
  • 3rd sekitori basho.

These have to be hard to break records, or not?

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  On 26/01/2024 at 07:21, Tsubame said:

Onosato faced a yokozuna in his:

  • 56th bout overall,
  • 5th basho overall,
  • 3rd sekitori basho.

These have to be hard to break records, or not?

Ichinojo? SumoDB is down to prove my memory wrong. 

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  On 26/01/2024 at 09:35, Bunbukuchagama said:

Ichinojo? SumoDB is down to prove my memory wrong. 

Indeed, Ichinojo came close. He met his first yokozuna in his 57th overall bout (with same amounts of bashos).

Totally forgot, that Ichinojo had also a massive headstart into sumo.

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Do we know how often it happens that a rikishi starts a tournament with a mullet and ends it with a topknot? That was the case with makushita Nagamura today.

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  On 27/01/2024 at 18:18, Koorifuu said:

Do we know how often it happens that a rikishi starts a tournament with a mullet and ends it with a topknot? That was the case with makushita Nagamura today.

I *think* it happened with Ichinojo as well, but I'm far from sure.

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Yomiuri keeps posting articles about Mienoumi, today it was mentioned that as Musashigawa he raised 13 sekitori of which 8 are now oyakata in the NSK

20240213-OYT1I50009-1.jpg?type=mediumo

I guess in the past there were shisho with even more, but it still is impressive

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  On 15/02/2024 at 10:22, Akinomaki said:

Yomiuri keeps posting articles about Mienoumi, today it was mentioned that as Musashigawa he raised 13 sekitori of which 8 are now oyakata in the NSK

20240213-OYT1I50009-1.jpg?type=mediumo

I guess in the past there were shisho with even more, but it still is impressive

Oooohhh…Isegahama will probably the closest right now with 11 sekitori.

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Rikishi demoted from makuuchi placed behind rikishi promoted from makushita, 15-bout era:

1969.03 -> .05:
M12e Hanada 0-8-7 -> J11e
Ms6e Oyoshizawa 7-0 Y -> J10e

1972.01 -> .03:
M12e Ryuko 0-0-15 -> J8e
Ms11w Shurao 7-0 Y -> J7w

1979.07 -> .09:
M14e Banryuyama 0-3-12 -> J10w
Ms7w Sadanoumi 7-0 Y -> J8w

1990.09 -> .11:
M13w Kyokugozan 1-14 -> J10w
Ms4w Hayashi 7-0 Y -> J9w

2000.03 -> .05:
M14w Wakanosato 0-0-15 -> J11e
Ms1e Tochisakae 6-1 -> J9e
Ms5e Tamanokuni 7-0 Y -> J8w

2002.03 -> .05:
M13w Towanoyama 0-1-14 -> J9w
Ms1e Gojoro 7-0 Y -> J8e

2003.05 -> .07:
M14e Takanotsuru 0-11-4 -> J10w
Ms4e Tamanokuni 7-0 Y -> J9e

2005.01 -> .03:
M15e Tochisakae 0-0-15 -> J10e
M15w Harunoyama 0-0-15 -> J10w
Ms4e Chiyohakuho 7-0 Y -> J9w

2008.03 -> .05:
M13w Ichihara 0-2-13 -> J11w
Ms4e Daiyubu 7-0 Y -> J10e

2010.07 -> .09:
M14w Okinoumi 0-0-15 -> J8e
Ms12e Jumonji 7-0 Y -> J7e

2010.11 -> 2011.01:
M17e Hokutoriki 0-0-15 -> J12e
Ms1e Kiyoseumi 4-3 -> J11e
Ms4e Yoshiazuma 5-2 -> J11w

2013.01 -> .03:
M16e Miyabiyama 3-12 -> J9e
Ms1e Oniarashi 7-0 Y -> J7w

2024.01 -> .03:
M17w Aoiyama 0-7-8 -> J11w
Ms1w Wakatakakage 7-0 Y -> J10w

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Tochimaru is the only rikishi in DB-recorded history to have hit all of Ms5 to Ms1 as separate career-high ranks: Query

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Tournaments with 3 rikishi ranked Ms1-Ms5 with career-to-date high rank of Ms1, excluding rikishi who are Ms1 debutants (= a count of rikishi who went up to Ms1 previously and so far failed to become sekitori), 7-bout era since Nagoya 1960:

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  On 15/07/2023 at 18:58, Asashosakari said:

Longest winning streaks by rikishi ranked as maegashira (prior wins in juryo or subsequent wins in sanyaku do not count), 15-bout era since 1949.05.

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Tokitsuyama     1953.03.15 - 1953.05.15    M4w   6-9   / M6e  15-0 Y 

15
Tamanoumi       1957.11.01-15              M14e 15-0 Y

14
Wakamisugi      1960.05.02-15              M4w  14-1 Y
Wakamisugi      1961.09.10 - 1961.11.08    M4e   7-8   / M5e  11-4
Kiyokuni        1964.01.01-14              M13e 14-1 J
Asasekiryu      2004.01.14 - 2004.03.12    M12e  7-8   / M12w 13-2 J
Nishikigi       2023.05.08 - 2023.07.06    M4w   9-6   / M1e   ?

13
Mitoizumi       1986.03.05 - 1986.05.02    M12w 12-3 J / M1w   6-9
Kotofuji        1991.07.01-13              M13e 14-1 Y
Toyonoshima     2010.11.04 - 2011.01.01    M9w  14-1 D / M1e   8-7
Tokushoryu      2020.01.03-15              M17w 14-1 Y

12
Wakachichibu    1960.03.14 - 1960.05.10    M9e   5-10  / M14w 13-2 J
Mutsuarashi     1967.03.04-15              M14e 13-2 J
Nagaoka         1978.11.09 - 1979.01.05    M13w  9-6   / M6e  10-5
Takahanada      1992.01.04-15              M2e  14-1 Y
Takatoriki      2000.03.01-12              M14e 13-2 Y
Tochinonada     2003.01.05 - 2003.03.01    M10e 11-4 J / M2e   9-6


11's and 10's spoilered for space reasons.

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Onosato missed the list by a whisker and it might be one of his last chances, but Takerufuji enters it and does it unbeaten.

10-0 starts or better in division debut (juryo or makuuchi, 15 bout era)  Here

Taiho made it only to 11-0, so I'd say Takerufuji is in good company. Future former Kotonowaka will judge tomorrow if he's worthy or misses it by a neck.

9-0 starts (same conditions as before) had more of an eclectic bunch. Our 2 fellas did it in juryo very recently.

 

Onto other thigs, young up-and-comer Daiamami has tied his best winning streak in makuuchi with 6 (Haru 2018 days 3-8 was his longest until now). As a rikishi his top is 7 in juryo because my excel counts the kettei-sen losses as ending the streaks, as I think it should. His MsTD start with a sextuple 4-3 didn't help in that regard (surely it merited a post here somewhere, but I'm too lazy to look it up). Don't know how to really post my findings as a query in this case.

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