Basho Talk - Nagoya Basho 2016 +++ Spoiler Alert! +++

[specialweek 2 136]

This is the 9th time in the Heisei era that two kinboshi have been won on the same honbasho day. The last time it happened was almost 17 years ago in the 1999 Aki basho (twice, in fact).

Basho, Day		Winner		Loser

1991 Hatsu, Day 7	Terao		Onokuni
			Daishoyama	Hokutoumi

1991 Nagoya, Day 4	Daishoyama	onokuni
			Tochinowaka	Hokutoumi

1997 Nagoya, Day 3	Takatoriki	Akebono
			Aogiyama	Takanohana

1998 Kyushu, Day 3	Kaio		Wakanohana
			Tochiazuma	Takanohana

1998 Kyushu, Day 13	Tosanoumi	Wakanohana
			Kotonishiki	Takanohana

1999 Haru, Day 4	Kyokushuzan	Wakanohana
			Tosanoumi	Takanohana

1999 Aki, Day 1		Tamakasuga	Wakanohana
			Tochiazuma	Takanohana

1999 Aki, Day 11	Kotonowaka	Wakanohana
			Minatofuji	Musashimaru

2016 Nagoya, Day 3	Tochiozan	Kakuryu
			Okinoumi	Harumafuji

It's a pity Mitakeumi didn't make it a hat-trick, because that's only happened twice before.

Basho, Day		Winner		Loser

1956 Natsu, Day 1	Narutoumi	Kagamisato
			Futatsuryu	Tochinishiki
			Wakahaguro	Yoshibayama

1966 Haru, Day 3	Kiyokuni	Tochinoumi
			Wakamiyama	Sadanoyama
			Asasegawa	Kashiwado

So when was the last time 2 kinboshi were given up same day on 2 occasions same basho?

So 99 day 1 and day 11 but not the same Yokozuna on both occasions. That would be Taka/Waka in 98 Kyushu.

Edited July 19, 2016 by specialweek 2

[Asashosakari 19,664]

As the perception of time is relative to the observer, to me it is.

Fair enough. Though in sumo terms (and something similar goes for most sports), it's little more than one rikishi generation. But one would think the two-yusho thing has been inscribed on the yokozuna memorial or something, the way it's being talked about sometimes.

[robnplunder 976]

I was thinking that Kisenosato would start a Yokozuna run with a Yusho. Everybody talking about a promotion right now (in case of a Yusho), that's crazy.

Yes, yusho first, yokozuna next. WIth Kakuryu out and the remaining 2 yokozunas with 2 losses, this is the best chance for Kisenosato's yusho.

How about Gouido and Ternofusi's Ozeki run? They seem to be in Kadoban often. One of these days, they will lose their Ozeki rank.

[hamcornheinz 839]

How does one stumble over his own toe? Did his foot flip over?

[Gurowake 4,107]

Day 11 torikumi has Harumafuji against Ichinojo instead of Kotoyuki as would have been expected. So apparently if you as a sanyaku rikishi lose too many matches before you're scheduled to fight a Yokozuna you might just not do so.

Edited July 19, 2016 by Gurowake

[WAKATAKE 2,671]

What was going on in Yoshikaze's mind during his match against Harumafuji:

"If I can win, then we can get another yokozuna from my ichimon"

http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/1680805.html

[specialweek 2 136]

The first time I saw Hakuho go down I thought it was more Koshikudake and Ikioi had little to do with the loss. Perhaps Coup d'toe.

[Kintamayama 45,530]

How does one stumble over his own toe? Did his foot flip over?

Watch the vid. THAT'S how one stumbles over one's toe.

[robnplunder 976]

It does look like Hakuho tripped or slipped. Ikio was just trying to stay away from Hakuho's charge with a stiff arm. If Hakuho didn't trip himself, Ikio would have lasted just another second or two.

[hamcornheinz 839]

How does one stumble over his own toe? Did his foot flip over?

Watch the vid. THAT'S how one stumbles over one's toe.

Couldn't really make out what was happening. Just asking.

[Kintamayama 45,530]

How does one stumble over his own toe? Did his foot flip over?

Watch the vid. THAT'S how one stumbles over one's toe.

Couldn't really make out what was happening. Just asking.

How is that possible? You of all people, who are posting hundreds of vids, can't watch the NHK feed with multiple replays that you yourself posted that show EXACTLY what happened? You were just asking, I was just answering.

[egparis18 622]

How does one stumble over his own toe? Did his foot flip over?

Watch the vid. THAT'S how one stumbles over one's toe.

Couldn't really make out what was happening. Just asking.

Right toe at 3:38 folds under his weight and slides backwards. You see it again a few seconds later. I think that's it.

[inhashi 2,363]

Looked quite painful at 4:00. Yeah, all the weight was bent onto the right toe. Although Hakuho seemed to be able to walk fine afterwards, was that also the same toe that he broke that made him kyujo ages ago?

[Naganoyama 5,948]

Was that the toe that he broke on his original Yokozuna promotion run? I was wondering whether he got sudden pain and weakness from it when he stubbed it against the dohyo.

Edit: inhashi beat me to it.

Edited July 19, 2016 by Naganoyama

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

Day 11 torikumi has Harumafuji against Ichinojo instead of Kotoyuki as would have been expected. So apparently if you as a sanyaku rikishi lose too many matches before you're scheduled to fight a Yokozuna you might just not do so.

I noticed that as well. Harumafuji will not be meeting Komusubi Kotoyuki this basho - colour me surprised.

[Atenzan 1,084]

Was really, really worried for a couple of minutes. Takayasu didn't appear at all in the west dohyo-iri. They just put him with the east rikishi because this is completely normal and all this time watching UBS made me miss every single makuuchi dohyo-iri of my brief fan career up until this basho.

Hakuhou with a slightly more dignified but still uneasy dohyo-iri. Reeks of tingling injury pains to me.

Edited July 19, 2016 by McBugger

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

Was really, really worried for a couple of minutes. Takayasu didn't appear at all in the west dohyo-iri. They just put him with the east rikishi because of the kyujos.

Nope. He came from the east because that's where he fights today. Standard procedure.

Edit: Ok, Kakuryu's kyujo actually *is* a factor in this special case because Harumafuji would normally be east side.

Edited July 19, 2016 by Jakusotsu

[Atenzan 1,084]

Was really, really worried for a couple of minutes. Takayasu didn't appear at all in the west dohyo-iri. They just put him with the east rikishi because of the kyujos.

Nope. He came from the east because that's where he fights today. Standard procedure.

Aaah, I see.

[hamcornheinz 839]

How does one stumble over his own toe? Did his foot flip over?

Watch the vid. THAT'S how one stumbles over one's toe.

Couldn't really make out what was happening. Just asking.

How is that possible? You of all people, who are posting hundreds of vids, can't watch the NHK feed with multiple replays that you yourself posted that show EXACTLY what happened? You were just asking, I was just answering.

You're right, should have watched the NHK feed before posting. Been a bit busy. Thanks to all and apologies. (Wearing a paperbag...)

Edited July 19, 2016 by hamcornheinz

[lackmaker 438]

​Now the two in a row standard had been in place for a long time.

If one considers "approximately 15 years" to be a long time, anyway...

As the perception of time is relative to the observer, to me it is.

My personal standard is:

A short time = a year or less

A while = a few years

For some time now = less than a decade

A long time = over a decade

A very long time = several decades

Effectively forever = nearly a century

Figuratively forever = over a century

Literally Forever = since the beginning of time :-D

A very short time = since the last conspiracy theory

[MrGrumpyGills 134]

Wow, props to Nishikigi!

[Nojo_Jojo 7]

Ichinojo one step closer to his kachikoshi. Yoshikaze is likely falling down the leaderboard now but Takarafuji soliders on! One or two more wins and he'll be back in the sanyaku surely.

Should also seal some special prizes for his wins over a Yokozuna and two Ozeki.

[Atenzan 1,084]

Do you think that, if we pulled Takarafuji's head upwards from the chin, a neck would be unfurled telescopically?

Edited July 19, 2016 by McBugger

[ronnie 221]

Mitakeumi is the first rikishi I've seen taking out a gumshield.

[Nojo_Jojo 7]

Endo and Kotoyuki getting their first wins on the tenth day of the Basho. Kaisei with a decisive win in saving his rank!