Age and Behavior

[MongolPower 0]

Performance on the dohyo is the most important! When performance on the dohyo slacks a bit they make you retire just like that! But as bad as Asa is performing off the dohyo Kyokai is not making him retire right? Therefore, even Japanese people don't think his off dohyo performance is that bad.

In summery, Asa is performing superbly on the dohyo and just OK off the dohyo!

[Zentoryu 154]

But as bad as Asa is performing off the dohyo Kyokai is not making him retire right?

Not yet...

And it's not all about performance on the dohyo. If it were, Futahaguro would never have been forced to retire.

Asashoryu could be the greatest Yokozuna of all time, but if he embaresses the Kyokai, they won't hesitate to kick him out. Whether we think he deserves it or not. Takasago has already insinuated as much.

Edited August 11, 2004 by Zentoryu

[Jesinofuji 11]

To Qttp: I don't mean to be insulting with where you are placed on the graphic. When I was your age I would have choose option 4 also. You still need to be corrupted.

To Otokonoyama: So I get it now. You've been attacking all my posts because of my opinion of Asashoryu. And all this time I though it might have been because of hockey or something. Well, if you have a counter arguement, lets hear it. You do tend to stone-deaf my arguements. You say I'm not up to holding my ground with you, and that my posts are stupid and the like, so well lets hear a counter arguement then. Lets hear something more than complaints about my spelling, and haiku written before the 80s or whatever...

I have yet to see anyone offer anything to refute my case. For those who havn't figured out yet, my case is:

1.) While Asashoryu's behavior may not have been perfect over his career as a Yokozuna, it is no different from a very significant part of the world's population. Currently two thirds of the Sumoforum population has engaged in at least some of the same things Asashoryu has done, and more than a quarter have engaged in all of them. Though the following is purely my subjective opinion, I believe all this is dispite Sumoforum members being particularly reserved when compared to the general population.

2.) Its also been pointed out that past Yokozuna have demonstrated some of the same behaviors as Asashoryu. He is not abnormally miscreant even for a Yokozuna.

I wish people would consider this when considering Asashoryu's behavior.

P.S. If I wanted to put a certain world leader named George on my chart, I would have to make it much much bigger on the left side. ;-) This forum forbids political discussions, and for a good reason. I would be glad to debate politics with anyone on another forum, but not here.

[Mark Buckton 1]

I have yet to see anyone offer anything to refute my case.

While Asashoryu's behavior may not have been perfect over his career as a Yokozuna, it is no different from a very significant part of the world's population.

Simple - Asashoryu isn't doing something that a very significant part of the global population do.

He is a Yokozuna 24 / 7 / 365.

PS - bad spell day today? Jesi - our non-native speakers (posters) don't make the mistakes you do! Get a grip.

[Jesinofuji 11]

Simple - Asashoryu isn't doing something that a very significant part of the global population do.

He is a Yokozuna 24 / 7 / 365.

PS - bad spell day today?  Jesi - our non-native speakers (posters) don't make the mistakes you do!  Get a grip.

That's right, he's a champion of a full contact sport, he has to act better than the rest do...

Policemen, Doctors, Teachers, and Politicains don't have such a responsibility. They can act how they want.

For real, I don't care if he's a Yokozuna or not, he's human, and he's going to act accordingly. Its rediculous to actually expect him to all of the sudden become Mr. Responsibility just because he won a few tournaments. And you yourself admitted you did some of that stuff as well. Hipocritical, unbelieveably so.

P.S. I really don't like repeating myself but I could really give a rats (Censored) what you think of my spelling. Are you really that intimidated by me that you need to stoop to complaining about my spelling? I could go ahead and run everything through a spellchecker before posting in order to impress you if I wanted. I could always type in neatly formed paragraphs. I could make sure all punctuation is proper, yadda yadda yadda. But you, ANR, arn't worth it. Get a life man.

Edited August 13, 2004 by Jesinofuji

[Mark Buckton 1]

Its rediculous

Hipocritical, unbelieveably so.

So, when a refute (that you ask for) comes in it is rediculous ;-) (ri is a good idia ;-) ) to expect a serious response is it Jesi? Yokozunahood is NOT the life we lead. You just don't understand that do you?

Does that make you hipocritical? - unbelievably so I think ;-) - try 'hy' next time

it never ends does it? One thing does - you boar me so no more. Get it?

Will stick to what Otokomountain said - you ain't up to a full on discussion / debate / theoretical chat.

ANR

PS - spellcheck - average person doesn't need it bar in formal situations I'd say

Edited August 13, 2004 by Adachinoryu

[jomojo 0]

P.S. I really don't like repeating myself but I could really give a rats (Censored) what you think of my spelling.

Should I be reading that as "couldn't" ?

jomojo

[Kintamayama 45,116]

For real, I don't care if he's a Yokozuna or not, he's human, and he's going to act accordingly.  Its rediculous to actually expect him to all of the sudden become Mr. Responsibility just because he won a few tournaments.  And you yourself admitted you did some of that stuff as well.  Hipocritical, unbelieveably so.

Well, actually, EVERYONE expects him to become Mr. Responsibility. That's what he promises to do when he takes the Yokozuna "oath". When I say EVERYONE, I don't mean everyone in the world, including those of us populating this "Sumo forum" planet, all less than 400 of us. We don't count. We don't have any influence. We just yadda yadda about this and that because we find the subject interesting.

The powers that be, OTOH, DO count, and regardless of how we feel about it or them, they are the ones calling the shots. And they can (and will) throw him out on his butt for doing something some of us fans may deem trivial. It doesn't mean Jack what we think, at the end of the day. You seem to think we fans have any say here. We don't. I am stating the obvious of course, but you keep saying how ridiculous it all is, when it isn't.

The Yokozuna behavior unwritten code thingy is there and always has been there. Asa is still around (as other Yokozunae who went astray were) because his "offenses" are still not on the scale of beating up on your Oyakata's wife. He is young and short tempered and awesome and everything, but all that will not help him if he makes a really big booboo, which, given his character at this point in time, is an accident waiting to happen.

I am his number one fan (well, ranked in the top ten), no secret about that, but I have prophesized on more than one occasion that he will not leave the Kyokai in the "orthodox" way.

You know what, forget about a Yokozuna. When was the last time you heard of a Sekitori losing it? A Sumotori, regardless of his rank, is expected to "behave" and not shame the sport. That's what they are taught from day 1. So it's not about the "Raving Mongolian", it's more about the "Behaving Rikishi".

And, Adachi doing whatever he has done in the past (or anyone else on this forum, for that matter) has no bearing whatsoever on the discussion at hand-Adachi was never a Yokozuna and never will be (I think..) so the hypocrisy angle is irrelevant.

Edited August 13, 2004 by Kintamayama

[QttP 0]

To Qttp:

Edited August 13, 2004 by QttP

[Mark Buckton 1]

Kinta-san,

hypocrisy comment was aimed at Jesi actually getting these refutes he asked for and turning a blind eye so to speak - the attitude he attacked Otoko for.

[Jesinofuji 11]

Its rediculous

Hipocritical, unbelieveably so.

So, when a refute (that you ask for) comes in it is rediculous ;-) (ri is a good idia (Third prize...) ) to expect a serious response is it Jesi? Yokozunahood is NOT the life we lead. You just don't understand that do you?

Does that make you hipocritical? - unbelievably so I think (First prize...) - try 'hy' next time

it never ends does it? One thing does - you boar me so no more. Get it?

Will stick to what Otokomountain said - you ain't up to a full on discussion / debate / theoretical chat.

ANR

PS - spellcheck - average person doesn't need it bar in formal situations I'd say

Still back to your old crap. You've in your time pissed off many of the people in this forum. I think you intentionally try to get under people's skin just because you have nothing better to do with your life. I remember your driving another SF member to the edge; I have no idea what you sent in your PMs to him, but you seemed to make him hate you and you seemed proud of it. Now I think your trying to do the same to me. And once you realize that I won't stoop to your level of immaturity, you'll just target someone else. I think you should stop all this and do something to make your life more interesting.

You are known for some of the most ridiculous posts ever on this forum. I remember this poll.

Another classic shows just how self-centered you really are.

Most of the people who come to Sumoforum are very good natured, there are only a few bad seeds. There's no reason to force them to hear our senseless bickering. I'd be happy to discuss this with you face to face next time I'm in Kanto.

Edited August 14, 2004 by Jesinofuji

[Burainoan 0]

Old crap, new crap...it's still crap. (Sign of disapproval)

Jesi, i seriously doubt polls like these are going to win you any converts, so i fail to see the point beyond desperately trying to defend Asa's conduct because you like him as a rikishi. and with two in a row - and your comments therein - it is starting to seem a little desperate. there will be those who agree with you, and those who don't. i tend more to the latter group, but do not feel compelled to make an issue out of it. if you like him, fine; just do that, let it go, and get on with the regular discussions.

ANR, i have enjoyed most of your more recent posts, but these are more like the obnoxious postings of the past at times when you were in his Jesi's position, i.e., defending a relatively unpopular view. if you disagree, fine, attack him on his logic; if you think that spelling should be a relevant point, fine, say so in a reasonable, non-mocking way. you are - or should be- better than that.

can we call it a day on this one?

[Burainoan 0]

Minor retraction - i just noticed that it was Otokonoyama who started the previous Asa's behavior-related poll. (Oops! ) so i hereby retract that portion of my criticism, and limit it to comments made therein, and the need to start a second. sorry about that.

[Mark Buckton 1]

ANR, i have enjoyed most of your more recent posts, but these are more like the obnoxious postings of the past at times when you were in his Jesi's position, i.e., defending a relatively unpopular view. if you disagree, fine, attack him on his logic; if you think that spelling should be a relevant point, fine, say so in a reasonable, non-mocking way. you are - or should be- better than that.

can we call it a day on this one?

You are right Burainoan. A day is called and the matter is closed. ;-)

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

Minor retraction - i just noticed that it was Otokonoyama who started the previous Asa's behavior-related poll. (Oops! ) so i hereby retract that portion of my criticism, and limit it to comments made therein, and the need to start a second. sorry about that.

Burain-san,

I started the *subsequent* poll, as a tongue-in-cheek response to highlight what I felt were illogical and emotional reasons for defending a certain someone's misbehaviour... (First prize...)

But you, and others are correct, it's time to put this baby to bed. On to more interesting things! ;-)

[Jesinofuji 11]

Sure, I'm all for calling it a day. I don't hold grudges against people.

[Takanobaka 0]

Hmm, I wonder how Tominishiki answers this poll....