Kintamayama 45,518 Posted April 1, 2017 Kyokai have been asked questions.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
just_some_guy 284 Posted April 1, 2017 Obviously not good, but I'm not sure what they can do about it unless in future a staff member catches someone in the act and evicts them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhyen 1,846 Posted April 1, 2017 Wonder why it could distract Harumafuji, but not fellow mongolian opponent Tamawashi? I guess we will never know the exact insults hurled unless someone recorded it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nekoyama 2 Posted April 1, 2017 People were angry at the time, and while it's not excusable that anyone was called names or epithets were delivered... we have an amazing ability to be colorful in the heat of the moment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsuchinoninjin 1,276 Posted April 1, 2017 1 hour ago, just_some_guy said: Obviously not good, but I'm not sure what they can do about it unless in future a staff member catches someone in the act and evicts them. I think the basic criticism is that they didn't come out and give a clear, strong condemnation of the heckling. Considering that NSK is under the Ministry of Sport and Education and that the 2020 Olympics are coming, it is sort of a time to put the best foot forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,937 Posted April 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Tsuchinoninjin said: I think the basic criticism is that they didn't come out and give a clear, strong condemnation of the heckling. Considering that NSK is under the Ministry of Sport and Education and that the 2020 Olympics are coming, it is sort of a time to put the best foot forward. It's a big chance, i hope they grab it. Not only for sumo... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masumasumasu 902 Posted April 2, 2017 Racism? Are Japanese people and Mongolian people of a different race? Perhaps 'nationalism' is a better word? After all, no label on earth is more defaming than the word 'racist'. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dada78641 884 Posted April 2, 2017 I agree that this is a moment that should be utilized by the Kyokai to send an unambiguous message that this is unacceptable. I'm not sure if they have an official code of conduct for sumo fans viewing the basho, but they should. Not that I think it will always stop this sort of thing from happening, but it's not a bad thing to have a real policy to point to in times of need. They should certainly never have to be asked questions such as "why didn't you condemn this more strongly?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Churaumi 745 Posted April 2, 2017 10 hours ago, Masumasumasu said: Racism? Are Japanese people and Mongolian people of a different race? Perhaps 'nationalism' is a better word? After all, no label on earth is more defaming than the word 'racist'. Asian people view the different ethnic groups in Asia as being different more so than westerners. Couple that with the inherent nationalism in sumo tradition and this was bound to happen someday. However, my time in Japan and experience with locals there makes me think this was probably an isolated incident. There are idiots everywhere that don't represent the whole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Washuyama 641 Posted April 3, 2017 21 hours ago, Churaumi said: There are idiots everywhere that don't represent the whole. Truer words have never been spoken (or in this case, typed.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhyen 1,846 Posted April 3, 2017 Interesting, in the TV show mentioned by Akinomaki. There is an audible shout of "Terunofuji, go home" with subtitle. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,767 Posted April 3, 2017 I never thought I would voluntarily listen to a parliament debate (I still skipped most parts): the sumo video search brought up a question by a member of the communist party with members of the government answering about the ongoing Terunofuji hate speech "scandal": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJwXB5syLl0&t=32s (9min.) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RabidJohn 1,855 Posted April 3, 2017 On 02/04/2017 at 12:40, dada78641 said: I agree that this is a moment that should be utilized by the Kyokai to send an unambiguous message that this is unacceptable. The NSK already has in place an unambiguous anti-foreigner rule (one gaijin per heya), so all they would be effectively saying to many people is: do what we say, not what we do. I happen to think being anti-foreigner is distinctly different to being racist, and quite understandable in the unique case of Ozumo, but it's a subtlety most people can't be arsed with in these days of the race card always being first out of the pack. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,767 Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Akinomaki said: I never thought I would voluntarily listen to a parliament debate (I still skipped most parts): the sumo video search brought up a question by a member of the communist party with members of the government answering about the ongoing Terunofuji hate speech "scandal": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJwXB5syLl0&t=32s (9min.) The Monkashou, who is the supreme chief for the NSK, promised to look further into it and thinks about an investigation. http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20170403/sum17040322460004-n1.html The spectators by buying a ticket agree to a contract of conduct with the NSK: http://www.sumo.or.jp/IrohaOther/kiyaku and the NSK asks for compliance: http://www.sumo.or.jp/TicketKiyaku/kansenji Abusive language towards a rikishi is prohibited there. - in principal there has to be an English version of that contract, but I never saw one. I wonder why there was no cry for an investigation after last year's "Go back to Mongolia" towards Hakuho. On 1.4.2017 at 15:56, Akinomaki said: On 1.4.2017 at 14:39, Akinomaki said: The Japanese government wants to have the NSK verify talk about reports of racist jeering and hate speech in the media - "Go back to Mongolia!" and the like. http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20170331/sum17033123170003-n1.html This web article by Hochi was named as particularly bad: http://www.hochi.co.jp/sports/sumo/20170326-OHT1T50066.html They apologized: http://image.itmedia.co.jp/business/articles/1703/31/l_yd_usukita2.jpg (the apology disappeared from the Hochi site) Hochi now has made it a harmless title: 照ノ富士、変化で王手も大ブーイング！ - the part 「モンゴル帰れ」"Go back to Mongolia!" was removed. In the text of the article the quotes of the jeering were removed as well: after 観客は驚きで一瞬静まり、激しいヤジが飛び交った。 they had: 「モンゴルに帰れ！」「恥を知れ！」。 - also a "Shame on you!" The article next quoted Nishonoseki with "I can understand also the booing." - which implied that he shows understanding for the slur as well. The same "Go back to Mongolia!" was last year towards Hakuho after his henka against Harumafuji to win the Haru basho. He had apologized in tears at the yusho interview. http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/1623012.html http://www.itmedia.co.jp/business/articles/1703/31/news047.html Edited April 3, 2017 by Akinomaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Churaumi 745 Posted April 3, 2017 44 minutes ago, Akinomaki said: I wonder why there was no cry for an investigation after last year's "Go back to Mongolia" towards Hakuho. Because he henka'd a Mongolian. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kuroyama 715 Posted April 3, 2017 On 4/1/2017 at 19:49, Masumasumasu said: Racism? Are Japanese people and Mongolian people of a different race? To the extent "race" has any meaning at all, yes. There are virtually no genetic connections between Mongolia and Japan, as far as I can tell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orandashoho 720 Posted April 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Akinomaki said: - in principal there has to be an English version of that contract, but I never saw one. I would like to read this English version, if anything to be sure I do not unwittingly violate any rules I don't know about... In general, I think it is a matter of respecting the value of tradition and acting like a civilized person and not a hooligan. Excepting the minor hooliganism of zabuton throwing (under certain circumstances only I'm sure; at other times you may be removed from the premises)... Better be safe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asameshimae 220 Posted April 4, 2017 I think the heat of the moment as mentioned above is a major factor. It's not being reported that anybody yelled out anything before Teru pulled possibly the meanest henka I can remember on Giku. I was rooting for Teru to surprise everyone and get the yusho until he pulled that crap. I am sure the person who yelled that would have said something pretty terrible to a Japanese rikishi as well if he'd pulled the same thing, but he had the easy grab that Teru wasn't Japanese. All kinds of things get yelled out at sumo that TV doesn't pick up. I'm not sure why some have decided it is such a big deal this time around. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kuroyama 715 Posted April 4, 2017 5 hours ago, orandashoho said: I would like to read this English version, if anything to be sure I do not unwittingly violate any rules I don't know about... In general, I think it is a matter of respecting the value of tradition and acting like a civilized person and not a hooligan. Excepting the minor hooliganism of zabuton throwing (under certain circumstances only I'm sure; at other times you may be removed from the premises)... Better be safe. I think the main thing to remember about throwing your seat cushion is to do it only if you're in the masu seating. Ripping out your arena-style seat and heaving it towards the dohyo is frowned upon. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orandashoho 720 Posted April 4, 2017 7 hours ago, Kuroyama said: Ripping out your arena-style seat and heaving it towards the dohyo is frowned upon. I can always bring my own zabuton for that purpose... but I am not sure if I can throw that far. I got a dud throwing arm ever since a supraspinatus rupture six years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
