Kuroyama 715 Posted April 23, 2017 On 23/04/2017 at 08:09, RabidJohn said: It doesn't. Take the Beatles, for example; some would argue that their debut was as the Quarrymen at a garden fête in the 1958, and they performed for a couple years as the Silver Beatles and then the Beatles in Liverpool and Hamburg, so they were well past their debut when their big break came, and that was when they took Brian Epstein as manager and he got them a deal with Parlophone. "shy bird"? That is, "debut" means debut. A break is when you get your opportunity for major success. That might or might not coincide with the debut. (Usually not.) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 2,029 Posted April 23, 2017 I'd have always used "breakthrough" for that meaning, but maybe that is a general mistake by Germans writing English (if it is a mistake at all). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Churaumi 745 Posted April 24, 2017 Not a mistake, but not what native English speakers would say. "Break" is shorter than "breakthrough" so that's what we say. As the yokels down my way say, "Them's the breaks." I got an English minor in college, it drives me crazy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,937 Posted April 25, 2017 Have a break, have a KitKat. The only true meaning of break. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,107 Posted April 29, 2017 "Break" (often modified by "big") would be used where you have to try-out in circumstances that don't necessarily mirror what you're going to be actually doing once performing, and so you have to get the attention of those who are choosing who will perform by something other than winning an objective competition. It's often used for performing artists, but also might be used for those in team sports who haven't had their ability noticed by major teams because of various issues. "Breakthrough" would be used more in competitive events, where someone may have always had the opportunity to do well, but suddenly in one game/meet/tournament/season did much better, starting a streak of good results. Often used for individual sports, but might apply to someone on a team sport or a performing artist where they had already had their big break and managed to get a little bit of stardom or start in the big leagues or whatever, but this particular performance propelled them to another level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RabidJohn 1,855 Posted April 29, 2017 (edited) On 29/04/2017 at 01:22, Gurowake said: "Breakthrough" would be used more in competitive events... Breakthrough is also used in a scientific context; e.g. Sellotape + graphite = graphene + Nobel Prize for Physics. OK, that's a very simplified example, but you genuinely can make the stuff using sticky tape and a very soft pencil! Edited April 29, 2017 by RabidJohn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 2,029 Posted April 29, 2017 That's quite the off-topic party I seem to have triggered. Do I get a special prize? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asameshimae 220 Posted April 29, 2017 On 29/04/2017 at 20:17, yorikiried by fate said: That's quite the off-topic party I seem to have triggered. Do I get a special prize? Yeah, the KIWOCHIRASHI prize. :) Not often I've seen such a derailment in the on topic sumo forum threads. Anyway, I didn't know Teru was injured; this makes me just slightly more forgiving for his henka on Shogiku on Day 14 - Man I was livid that day. Heh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dada78641 884 Posted May 1, 2017 At least he's still happy in the Nagatanien commercials. I just saw this one on TV: http://www.nagatanien.co.jp/enjoy/cm/detail/146/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
