Basho Talk - Aki 2017 (SPOILERS)

[WAKATAKE 2,671]

Win streak watch:

Enho (Miyagino) still has his win streak going from debut, being 2-0 after day 5 bringing his current total to 16-0 for career.

Tomokaze (Oguruma), winner of the jonokuchi division in Nagoya, lost on day 3 to bring his consecutive win streak from career start to a close at 8 wins.

Of the five rikishi debuting in the jonokuchi division for Aki, only one remains undefeated after day 5. Shoji (Musashigawa) trying to win the division in his debut, currently standing at 3-0.

[dada78641 884]

2 hours ago, Katooshu said:

My biggest individual rikishi hope for this basho is that my favourite, Hokutofuji, ends up with a record that gets him promoted to sanyaku. I didn't like the way he pulled so quickly against Yoshikaze today, but 3-2 is solid considering the ranks he's faced.

I think he pulls quite a lot and Yoshikaze very cleverly came prepared for any attempts at pivoting right after the tachiai. I think he's done very well though. Can't imagine he will get many more losses from here on out.

37 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

Enho (Miyagino) still has his win streak going from debut, being 2-0 after day 5 bringing his current total to 16-0 for career.

If he goes zensho this tournament, he will tie Kototenta's 21 win streak as the #5 most consecutive wins from entry into sumo... really hoping he'll pull it off.

Edited September 14, 2017 by dada78641

[Burajirotono 99]

Oooooooh noooooo (shoooo)!!!!! Wacky madha-facka Aki! Puta qui paréu...

I dont discart anyone at the moment, we should not be surprised even with Daieishou or Ichislowjoe winning the WA...

Goeido is smart enought to henka his way to the topless yusho. Onosho is like...i mean...You have to love this child, man. Hokutofuji, Giku...Even the guys with 2 wins...Everyone have a shot. And the yokozuna will fight untill the end (of his elbows), never doubt mister Byambadorj...

Its a lame and awesome basho at the same time.

This is like sumô on crack.

[specialweek 2 136]

Some egos running full on about who said what first declaring Onosho but no matter who wins this yusho it will go down in the short term as one of the shallowest victories. Long term, multiple absentees will be forgotten and the win will be in the books. 

 

[Kuroyama 715]

Why do I get the feeling that the next round of jungyo will be the first in history to be staged entirely by rikishi from Makushita and below? No one else will be healthy enough!

[rhyen 1,846]

@Akinomaki, @Asashosakari: Translation?
http://www.hochi.co.jp/sports/sumo/20170914-OHT1T50280.html

[luispereira 383]

this one will go to Ichinojo!!!!

[Atenzan 1,084]

2 hours ago, rhyen said:

@Akinomaki, @Asashosakari: Translation?
http://www.hochi.co.jp/sports/sumo/20170914-OHT1T50280.html

This was published this morning before day 6 sumo. It says that Harumafuji is in a "kyujo pinchi" and that the YDC is worried we might have the first ever 4-yokozuna kyujo, after his giving up 3 kinboshi in 3 days; 13th time this has happened since 1909, when the yusho system was established. YDC chairman Kitamura Masatou (apparently that's what they're calling him now, Moti...) wants him to persevere and gambarize more. And he told him to gambarize in kanji so you know he really means it. There's also praise for Ounoshou for defeating Harumafuji.

[Ack! 478]

13 hours ago, Burajirotono said:

This is like sumô on crack.

[Morty 1,505]

I take back everything i said about Chiyotairyu winning the yusho. Ho hum.

Edited September 15, 2017 by Morty

[Tsubame 368]

16 hours ago, Amamaniac said:

Kinboshi-streaks aside (thanks Asashosakari), what is the standing "total kinboshi" record for one Yokozuna in a given 15-day tournament? 

The answer is five! Musashimaru gave five kin boshi away in Aki 2001.

He is followed by a lots of guys who lost four times (please mind fusen): Query.

 

edit:
I wonder if there is a possibility to exclude fusen-pai from such a query? Any help is welcome.

 

Edited September 15, 2017 by Tsubame

[rhyen 1,846]

6 minutes ago, Morty said:

I take back everything i said about Chiyotairyu winning the yusho. Ho hum.

He still can win it, just rediscover his tachiai from the 1st 4 days. 

[Morty 1,505]

Just now, rhyen said:

He still can win it, just rediscover his tachiai from the 1st 4 days. 

He had it yesterday, but Goeido got away with it at the edge

[rhyen 1,846]

Just now, Morty said:

He had it yesterday, but Goeido got away with it at the edge

What would you give to see Goiedo blasted away at the tachiai, backroll over the straw bales?

[Ack! 478]

The basho started with M5e (Shodai) as part of the joi.  That's an awfully low extension, but not unheard of.  Now M6w (Kagayaki) is theoretically part of the joi, although paired against M9e Takanoiwa tomorrow.  When was the last time the joi was this stretched?

[RabidJohn 1,855]

Aside from the extraordinary number of kyujo Y/O, day 6 came across to me as 'normal service has been resumed' with bout outcomes more or less as I'd expect.

Is Goeido gonna pull another kadoban yusho out of the bag?

[Asashosakari 19,653]

1 hour ago, Tsubame said:

The answer is five! Musashimaru gave five kin boshi away in Aki 2001.

In a basho where he ended up facing 12 maegashira and nobody ranked above sekiwake.

1 hour ago, Tsubame said:

I wonder if there is a possibility to exclude fusen-pai from such a query? Any help is welcome.

Not that I'm aware of, unfortunately.

[Asashosakari 19,653]

A couple of 3-0 lower division bouts to watch for with possible yusho implications tomorrow:

In jonokuchi, former mid-sandanme Tochigidake and recent national university student Shoji are facing off. None of the other jonokuchi contenders have ever been above mid-jonidan (nor have the likely fill-ins from low jonidan), so the winner of this one will likely march on to 7-0.

And in sandanme we have former middle school yokozuna Ryuko (21-3 career start out of high school) going against so far unbeaten collegiate grad Enho (17-0). The winner of that one will have a good shot at becoming the highest-ranked 6-0 in sandanme and thus the default yusho favourite.

[Kintamayama 45,524]

15 hours ago, specialweek 2 said:

Some egos running full on about who said what first declaring Onosho

Me!! Me! !t is documented!! Me!

Edited September 15, 2017 by Kintamayama

[Amamaniac 2,079]

So Terunofuji's injury is going to cost him his Ozeki status.  If I heard the announcement correctly, doctors are calling for two weeks of rest (Right, he'll be as good as new after that!).  And what are the odds that the same wrestler (i.e., Shodai) gets a fuzen freebie from the same opponent two tournaments in a row.  Here is another query for those who know how to mine the database: has it ever happened before?

Edited September 15, 2017 by Amamaniac

[Katooshu 3,332]

Osuaarashi is 2-4 all the way down at J10...makushita demotion might not be far off if he can't get himself together. His opposition hasn't been ranked very high within juryo either...

Edited September 15, 2017 by Katooshu

[ryafuji 815]

56 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Osuaarashi is 2-4 all the way down at J10...makushita demotion might not be far off if he can't get himself together. His opposition hasn't been ranked very high within juryo either...

Another one whose career has been wrecked by injury and the lack of time available to fully recover.

[808morgan 814]

3 hours ago, ryafuji said:

Another one whose career has been wrecked by injury and the lack of time available to fully recover.

He, like other continually injured rikishi, better to go get healthy and fully recover, then climb back up. If they were healthy and trained up they should have no trouble getting back through the ranks. I don't understand the mentality for risking injury that may leave you unable to ever recover. Is it the money? Yes you get paid up there at the top but when you are too injured to ever come back what good is it?

Edited September 16, 2017 by 808morgan

[ALAKTORN 346]

44 minutes ago, 808morgan said:

He, like other continually injured rikishi, better to go get healthy and fully recover, then climb back up. If they were healthy and trained up they should have no trouble getting back through the ranks. I don't understand the mentality for risking injury that may leave you unable to ever recover. Is it the money? Yes you get paid up there at the top but when you are too injured to ever come back what good is it?

You’re taking for granted that taking time off would heal them. Some injuries (probably most of them in sumō) stay with you for life. I’m pretty sure Tochinoshin took the time off to heal, and sure he got back up to san’yaku, but he was never 100% and he’s back to injuries again.

Gōeidō has a good shot at the yūshō now.

Edited September 16, 2017 by ALAKTORN

[Gurowake 4,104]

35 minutes ago, ALAKTORN said:

 I’m pretty sure Tochinoshin took the time off to heal, and sure he got back up to san’yaku, but he was never 100% and he’s back to injuries again.

Huh?  Tochinoshin is noticeably better than before he was injured.  Yes, he was injured again recently, but he seems to have come back from that to return to form in the most recent two basho before this.  His early losses against Y/O this time are par for the course for him, but he's done with everyone better than him now*, and can easily come back with a KK.

 

*edit: Sorry, not quite - I forgot Kotoshogiku, but there's no reason that they have to meet.  It's likely given how many maegashira matches everyone has to have, but not set in stone.

Edited September 16, 2017 by Gurowake