Osunaarashi scandal

[Yatagarasu 352]

  On 23/01/2018 at 22:16, Kintamayama said:

BTW, whose car was it?

That's a very good question.  Wonder what the owner's take on all of this is...  

 

  On 23/01/2018 at 22:10, Kintamayama said:

I will steak my quickly fading reputation here and say there is no way he will not be ousted from sumo. No way. The Kyokai will tolerate a lie told them. but they will not tolerate a lie told to the police. Oosunaarashi admitted to lying. There is no grey gray  doubtful area here. Salamaat, ya zalame.

I agree with you.  The whole perjury/perverting the course of justice angle runs a horse and coaches through the idea that rikishi should be beacons of public morality.  Plus driving without a licence means he was uninsured and put public safety at risk.  The NSK's hands may be tied in any case should immigration revoke his visa as a consequence.  

I worry (and really hope this isn't the case) that this incident also risks cementing a negative stereotype of gaijin rikishi 'coming over here and breaking our laws'.  

[Tochinofuji 387]

  On 24/01/2018 at 11:33, Yatagarasu said:

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I worry (and really hope this isn't the case) that this incident also risks cementing a negative stereotype of gaijin rikishi 'coming over here and breaking our laws'.  

Oddly enough, it was exactly this line of discourse that got me into sumo, then centering around Wakanoho, Roho, and Hakurozan for their use/possession of marijuana. That was back in September 2008, so it's unfortunately not a new view that's in need of a whole lot of cement to prop it up. 

[Philioyamfugi 378]

From redit..

 

Edited January 26, 2018 by Philioyamfugi

[Asashosakari 19,654]

Sorry, I'm not sure what that has added to the thread now...

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

Nothing. Just like the "original" thread it got merged from.

[Asashosakari 19,654]

  On 26/01/2018 at 21:48, Jakusotsu said:

Nothing. Just like the "original" thread it got merged from.

Oh, it was even a separate thread? 

[Burajirotono 99]

He should had buyed a riquixá and a coat. 

This "no driving" rule is so dumb.

[Yatagarasu 352]

  On 26/01/2018 at 22:04, Burajirotono said:

 

This "no driving" rule is so dumb.

Not really.  Firstly, the NSK is trying to preserve the money-making capacity of its heya and (to a lesser extent) its athletes.  These guys have had a lot of time and money invested in their training so need to reduce the chances of injuring themselves.  They are basically commercial assets.  Preventing them from driving is no different to putting an electric fence around a cattle field.  

Preventing them from driving should also, in theory, restrict their movement away from the heya and - from the typically paternalistic angle of the NSK - also reduces the odds that they will be involved in a 'scandal' involving the general public, such as a car crash involving damage to property, injury or loss of life.

But also, think of the safety angle - try cutting +150kg of unconscious deadweight out of a car in a hurry in the event of a crash.  Firefighters would struggle to say the least (let alone lift them out), which increases the likelihood of serious injury due to delay in medical attention.  Then see point 1 above.   

Then think about the simple practical reality - there comes a point where their sheer size will impede their ability to safely manoeuvre a vehicle.  Then see point 2 above.  

[Tochinofuji 387]

  On 27/01/2018 at 11:27, Yatagarasu said:

Not really.  Firstly, the NSK is trying to preserve the money-making capacity of its heya and (to a lesser extent) its athletes.  These guys have had a lot of time and money invested in their training so need to reduce the chances of injuring themselves.  They are basically commercial assets.  Preventing them from driving is no different to putting an electric fence around a cattle field.  

Preventing them from driving should also, in theory, restrict their movement away from the heya and - from the typically paternalistic angle of the NSK - also reduces the odds that they will be involved in a 'scandal' involving the general public, such as a car crash involving damage to property, injury or loss of life.

But also, think of the safety angle - try cutting +150kg of unconscious deadweight out of a car in a hurry in the event of a crash.  Firefighters would struggle to say the least (let alone lift them out), which increases the likelihood of serious injury due to delay in medical attention.  Then see point 1 above.   

Then think about the simple practical reality - there comes a point where their sheer size will impede their ability to safely manoeuvre a vehicle.  Then see point 2 above.  

Not to make light of a serious post, but the mental image I now have of Chiyomaru trying to drive a kei truck is hilarious. 

[Yatagarasu 352]

  On 27/01/2018 at 11:49, Tochinofuji said:

Not to make light of a serious post, but the mental image I now have of Chiyomaru trying to drive a kei truck is hilarious. 

I think he'd basically be wearing it!  

[Yatagarasu 352]

A little google search led me to find this:  pop quiz - name that rikishi!

 

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

Looks like Kaiho...

[Taikoubana 144]

It'll be a real shame to see the first and only Egyptian rikishi go in such a way. He was one of my favorites, with that upbeat attitude of his. I'd love to see another rikishi from his country in the future (or any rikishi from Africa in general.) I wonder if he'd make good out of a bad situation and start training people in his country interested in sumo.

[Asashosakari 19,654]

  On 27/01/2018 at 11:27, Yatagarasu said:

But also, think of the safety angle - try cutting +150kg of unconscious deadweight out of a car in a hurry in the event of a crash.  Firefighters would struggle to say the least (let alone lift them out), which increases the likelihood of serious injury due to delay in medical attention.

Rikishi still spend plenty of time in vehicles, I would say, just not at the wheel. We had this less than two years ago after all, so it's not like putting other people in the driver's seat does much for that aspect.

[Philioyamfugi 378]

My apologies about the redundant new thread...bow to the members..a bow to the mods..

[Akinomaki 40,775]

RIZIN's management sees sumo as the place to find new members and hopes to get Osunaarashi for their circuit. "Harumafuji is already a man of the past" http://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/prores/mens_prores/898984/

 

[PawnSums 59]

so is osunaarashi intai?

[Akinomaki 40,775]

  On 27/01/2018 at 17:15, PawnSums said:

so is osunaarashi intai?

No, but the vultures already start to assemble

[Rocks 1,809]

  On 27/01/2018 at 18:07, Akinomaki said:

No, but the vultures already start to assemble

If they don't force him out it could end up a blessing in disguise. If he is going down to makushita anyway he might as well take 2 or 3 basho off, heal up, and try to pull a Tochinoshin type come back.

[Benevolance 2,511]

I don't see how he stays in sumo after this. The NSK has had enough of police troubles, I think, and this one is pretty clear cut. 

[Rocks 1,809]

  On 27/01/2018 at 18:44, Benevolance said:

I don't see how he stays in sumo after this. The NSK has had enough of police troubles, I think, and this one is pretty clear cut. 

I think his only chance is there is co much crap coming down lately that he night get lost in the cracks.

[Benevolance 2,511]

 

  On 27/01/2018 at 18:52, Rocks said:

I think his only chance is there is co much crap coming down lately that he night get lost in the cracks.

I'm hopeful, though not optimistic. 

[Yukiarashi 195]

  On 27/01/2018 at 12:28, Yatagarasu said:

A little google search led me to find this:  pop quiz - name that rikishi!

 

Post-war Chiyootori?

[Naganoyama 5,948]

  On 27/01/2018 at 12:28, Yatagarasu said:

A little google search led me to find this:  pop quiz - name that rikishi!

 

Yoshibayama perhaps?

[Burajirotono 99]

  On 27/01/2018 at 11:27, Yatagarasu said:

Not really.  Firstly, the NSK is trying to preserve the money-making capacity of its heya and (to a lesser extent) its athletes.  These guys have had a lot of time and money invested in their training so need to reduce the chances of injuring themselves.  They are basically commercial assets.  Preventing them from driving is no different to putting an electric fence around a cattle field.  

Preventing them from driving should also, in theory, restrict their movement away from the heya and - from the typically paternalistic angle of the NSK - also reduces the odds that they will be involved in a 'scandal' involving the general public, such as a car crash involving damage to property, injury or loss of life.

But also, think of the safety angle - try cutting +150kg of unconscious deadweight out of a car in a hurry in the event of a crash.  Firefighters would struggle to say the least (let alone lift them out), which increases the likelihood of serious injury due to delay in medical attention.  Then see point 1 above.   

Then think about the simple practical reality - there comes a point where their sheer size will impede their ability to safely manoeuvre a vehicle.  Then see point 2 above.  

"Paternalistic"... That´s a precise word...Fat people can drive normaly, just looks at United States roads...